But you were at the summit when you sold Ronaldo, you had enough quality players to maintain that level of performance, while I don't believe we solely reply on Suarez we do need him if we are to make it to the next level.
What is Luis Suarez worth?
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But you were at the summit when you sold Ronaldo, you had enough quality players to maintain that level of performance, while I don't believe we solely reply on Suarez we do need him if we are to make it to the next level.
I think you'll advance with our without Suarez. Rodgers seems particularly strong on making the correct transfers and would be able to buy 3 very good players for what LFC would get for Suarez. He will almost certainly get unsettled again if the likes of Madrid or PSG come calling, and LFC would be crazy to not cash in on him if he wants to leave - especially if you don't make the CL this year.
If we don't make the CL this year he's gone. If we do, I think we'll hang onto him. I agree though, Rodgers has shown good judgement when he's been in for "marquee" signings: Willian, Costa, Mkhitaryan and Sakho have all been good at their clubs.
Fair point but you can still progress when losing your best player if smart business is done. Maybe not in the immediate short term but in general, I don't think any player is that important to a club. Players come and go, big clubs are able to deal with it.
I expect them to get top 4 and make Champions League.
The problem is, Liverpool have only just about managed to cope with their current squad and injuries this season - a season which they went out of the league cup very early and haven't had any European football to worry about.
Their squad isn't deep enough, so I think they need to buy a fair amount of players in the summer if they want to continue so strong next season.
Definitely do-able, and their recent signings have been very good. But it's never easy to bring a number of players in and get them to work in a particular system. You can tell the consistency in the team sheets and tactics has been a big plus for them this season. Unlike United, who have to change their tactics every game to fit the particular players playing. Rodgers seems to know that though, so you'd expect him to consider how well they would fit rather than just buy quality for the sake of it.
The problem is, Liverpool have only just about managed to cope with their current squad and injuries this season - a season which they went out of the league cup very early and haven't had any European football to worry about.
Their squad isn't deep enough, so I think they need to buy a fair amount of players in the summer if they want to continue so strong next season.
Definitely do-able, and their recent signings have been very good. But it's never easy to bring a number of players in and get them to work in a particular system. You can tell the consistency in the team sheets and tactics has been a big plus for them this season. Unlike United, who have to change their tactics every game to fit the particular players playing. Rodgers seems to know that though, so you'd expect him to consider how well they would fit rather than just buy quality for the sake of it.
Liverpool will definitely need to spend to strengthen their squad if they make Champions League. If they can afford to do it without Suarez money, then they'd be better to hang onto him for as long as they can.
Agree with the majority of your post.
But i don't think we need to buy a host of players. People say the squad is not deep enough but we've had our 4 main defenders out for the last month or so, and previously unfancied players like Flannagan have stepped in without hardly any problems at all.
I think were in a period where were probably seeing our best crop of young players since early-mid 90's, the likes of Suso, Wisdom, Robinson, Mclaughlin, Illori, Borini out on loan will come back to contest for places, and don't be surprised if a couple of them turn out to be some of the young stars of next season.
I will be very surprised if Rodgers makes more than 3 first team signings this summer.
I'd want 4 players bought who are Sakho-quality and maybe another couple of punts similar to Alberto. A pair of full backs is a must, as is a centre mid and a striker IMO. Another winger would be nice, but isn't necessarily urgent.
Exactly, we need to secure ourselves with that 'big club' status again before we could cope with losing him and then successfully replacing him.
Konoplyanka, Cole, and another striker would be who i would get in an ideal world.
I don't think another couple players like Alberto is neccesary, because for the first time in years are reserves is actually fulfilling its purpose. We've had Teixeria break through in the last few weeks and we still have Suso to come back, i would argue if these players are as good as i think they are, we don't need another CM.
You know a lot more about those players than I do, but I suspect that's typical fan naive optimism . It's rare that players make the step up, and we see it a lot from United fans. A few years back, it was Cleverley, Welbeck, etc and now we realize our problem was that we were plugging holes with players who probably weren't good enough. People have said it this season, listing players like Zaha, Powell, Keane, Varela, Lingard and it's not often that one can make the step up.
Granted, I know that you are talking about squad fillers - players who are competent enough to step up when (if) they have to, but depth in numbers and depth in quality are two different things. I would be very surprised if any of those players become stars - though I am interested in what Suso can do.
Your point about your main defenders being out but you've coped - Toure alone cost you 2 points against West Brom and almost more again against Fulham. And what's to say you won't have similar bad luck next year? Us United fans bemoan our injuries to centre-backs every year and have been for a long time. In recent years we had Ferdinand, Vidic, Evans, Smalling and Jones - 5 competent centre-backs and still every year struggle at some point.
The league will once again be tougher next season, with every team strengthening. You would expect Spurs and United to both do better next season, and Liverpool will have a ton more games to worry about. I don't think 3 signings will be enough to keep you in the top 4 next season.
It could be but last year when i talking up Sterling, i'm sure the same would have been said, but look at him this season, one of our best players and generally one of the best players in the league over the last few months at 19. I think the likes of Suso Teixeira and Ilori can make a similar impact next season, because they're supreme talents, and i was saying the same for Januzaj when i first saw him against our reserves, it may be optimism but i think were just in a position where we might see a generation of players to come out of our academy and stake their place in the first team.
I think you overrated our youth. I don't think Teixeria will make it here. I think we definitely need a CM. A Bender or Rakitic would be perfect, add a right back, left back and a striker and we're laughing. If we can get Konoplyanka on the cheap seeing as his contract is nearly expired then get him too. Anyone else would be a bonus.
Players like Assaidi aren't good enough for where we want to head.
I will be very surprised if Illori and Suso don't become stars, very surprised, but i guess thats just naive optimism.
It's so unlikely that all of them come through. I think if just Sterling, Ibe, Suso, Rossiter, Ilori and Wisdom make it we'll have done fantastically well.
Why don't you think Teixeira will make it here?
He is far and away the best talent at our reserves, also would be worth noting that he was part of that Sporting Lisbon team that made Sterling Suso and co look average.
Add to that what the likes of Rodgers, Mcparland, Ingelthorpe and now Gerrard have said about him, its clear that they consider him a big prospect.
He can definitely make it here, the manager clearly has faith in him as well.
Assaidi is good enough for back up, if we get Konoplyanka i think we would be covered on the wings anyways.
Sterling was always destined for good things though, I knew of him for a good few years now and it was only ever his attitude that might get in his way.
Maybe that's because one of my best mates is a massive Liverpool fan though and use to bang on at me about him.
Even if they make it, they aren't going to be a huge contribution next year. Perhaps one, but it's hard for a team going for top 4 and in Europe to have one player breakthrough and make a difference nevermind a few.
I just can't see how you'll be able to hold top 4 down with the increased competition without buying a good number of good players - or getting knocked out early.
What positions do you think we need to strengthen?
Suarez is a brat... no supporters except your gracious ones will want to see him play for their team... he's a cheat... was very happy to see Arsenal players teach him and Gerard a lesson... makes me wonder how on earth could a player resort to cheating/diving when not winning or scoring in a game... it's the culture of the team.
I hope he stays in the PL. Class act.
Realistically, if Liverpool were to sell him they should look for 100 million. Bale's transfer has really fecked the goose when it comes to player transfers. Bale wasn't even in the top 5 players in the world when he went. Suarez legitimately could be in that bracket now.
Make top 4 and have a hell of a lot of money from selling Suarez and I think you could attract a good replacement. With champions league football and using the huge amount of money from Suarez to attract a couple of really good talents and it'll be enough to attract one of the better strikers out there.
If i was a Liverpool fan i'd want to keep him at all costs. 100m is all very well provided you reinvest it properly. Or you end up doing a Tottenham. Teams know you have it burning a hole before you've even started which causes problems. But at the end of the day, a player like Suarez is priceless to them. Do you want him or 3 Lamelas?
Well Spurs didnt have CL football to help attract the best. The money only goes so far with that the case as we'll find out this summer. Thats why City felt they had to spend so much on certain players when they were first moving up in the world.
Its been a strong showing from Liverpool, not just from Suarez. Of course they'd need a lot to carry on the same without him, but they might be able to get it.
Its been a strong showing from Liverpool, not just from Suarez. Of course they'd need a lot to carry on the same without him, but they might be able to get it.
Well considering Bale was sold for 92 million euros and isn't as good as Suarez. 100 million euro.Hi Lynk, 100 million of what? Dong?
Euros? For a brat like that? Never! Would be madness to recruit a player like this.
Do you think his behaviour yesterday was brat like? He should have had two penalties but was only given one. The person who needs to have a look at themselves is Mr. Webb.
Ah the old "Lets pick out one game and judge Suarez on that and forget his past" argument.
Nope I just find it odd that when he is denied a clear penalty it is clearly down to his over reacting, brat self and not down to bad officiating.
It is exactly down to that. If he didn't over react to every single point of contact he has with every player, officials wouldn't be as hesitant to award fouls against him.
He is a one man circus.
Every player emphasises contact now. If you think they don't then you're naïve. It was a poor decision and if a referee allows himself to be influenced by reputation and not calling a situation as he sees it then he is a poor referee.
Liverpool should do their best to keep him. No amount of money that could be paid could replace a player like him. He's playing on that 'legendary' level that very few players in this sports history have reached. With better support than what he's received this season he could turn liverpool into an elite team again.
Better that than just being a team of clowns
Better that than just being a team of clowns
Fortunately the circus always leaves town in the end.
It's down to both. If he hadn't gone down in such a ridiculously over the top manner, I'm sure Webb would have been a lot less inclined to wave play on.
If you can't see the difference between every other player and players like Suarez, Bale, Young, then it is you who is the one who is naive.
Officials make mistakes. They all do. Webb had a poor game, it is true. But the blame does not shift entirely on him and reputation plays a part in everything, in every aspect of the world. In a jury, mentions of past crimes are struck from the record but the jury will still take that into account, no matter what the judge tells them. Reputation rules all; that's just human nature.
If the referee, who wasn't in the best position to be perfectly honest, sees a player known for being a serial cheater exaggerating contact, he'll doubt himself. You can only blame him so much, especially when Suarez had done the same thing just minutes earlier.
I don't get the outrage from most Liverpool fans over this. They've been given so many fortunate penalties this year and one goes against them and all hell breaks loose.
The first penalty was a lot softer in my view so I think your point would stand if he didn't give the first one but he did. The second one was ridiculous and a clear penalty and yet not given. The reaction of Suarez was pretty much the same for both so what changed in Webbs mind. The only change was the score line.