What is Luis Suarez worth?
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How many of those 42 were penalties? Just interested, not a wind up.
The statsbomb website actually indicates the top goalscorers in La liga without penalties. For information, Ronaldo; since joining Real Madrid has converted 40 penalties in 223 games which meant he was pretty darn good at them.
Serious question, if we are talking about being surrounded by average players where does Rooney rank this season? He has been brilliant in a team full of average players who can't control midfield, can't provide accurate crosses and aren't on a run of good form like Liverpool are. Suarez is fantastic and one of the top players in the World but if we are making allowances for him let's talk up the performances of our own player who has had to score and assist and drop back to control games all season.
Suarez has been on another level from Rooney though
DDG, Kagawa, Carrick, Fletcher( although he has just returned) Welbeck, Hernandez, Januzaj, Vidic, Evra, Valencia are slightly more than average to be fair.
For information purposes:
All from seasons 2009/10:
I didn't want to include Lampard since even though he has scored just over 50 penalties, he has played a large number of games.
All from seasons 2009/10:
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Zlatan has played 199 games and scored 134 goals, 15.6% of these were penalties
or a penalty every 6 games.
Ronaldo has played 223 games and scored 230 goals, 17.4% of these were penalties
or a penalty every 6 games.
Messi has played 236 games and scored 249 goals, 10.9% of these were penalties
or a penalty every 9 games.
Suarez has played 186 games and scored 134 goals, 9.7% of these were penalties
or a penalty every 10 games.
Zlatan has won 21 pens, Ronaldo with 40 penalties, Messi with 27,
and Suarez with 13 penalties.I didn't want to include Lampard since even though he has scored just over 50 penalties, he has played a large number of games.
Messi has been injured. He's not in messis class and never will be.
If he has a great world cup I reckon he'll be in with a massive chance of winning the Ballon d'Or.
He is not actually saying he is better than Messi or Ronaldo. He is saying at the moment, which in fairness, he is, in spite of the injury crisis that Messi has had and we will never know how he would have faired hadn't he been injured.
@Kid Cunto:
If he carries on in this rich vein of form, then he will get the award and to be honest, seeing the form he is in at the moment, there is no-one that can touch him. The closest to him are Ronaldo and Zlatan on current form, but aforementioned players have scored penalties too, whereas Suarez hasn't. If Suarez had taken the penalties instead of Gerrard and he scored, he would have been on or around 25-26 goals already. The difference a penalty makes to a scoring statistic is incredible.
At the moment I'm better than Ronaldo because I've been in cracking form over the past two weeks while Ronaldo's been missing everything in sight.
Indeed. It is scary to think that if Suarez had the same number of shots in a match, over the course of the season he could have scored more in all fairness.
I'm not quite sure what your point is really. Suárez has scored 45 in 279 shots over the last two seasons compared to van Persie's 33 in 174. By the same logic if van Persie shot as much as Suárez he'd be outscoring him.
When was the
When was the last time a Balon d'Or winner wasn't playing in the Champions League?
It just doesn't happen. Rightly or wrongly, scoring a hat-full in your league won't get you the award.
If someone like Neymar steals the show in the knock-out stages of the CL and turns up at the World Cup, no one will remember Suarez's Premier League turkey-shoots.
Suarez stands every chance of winning it with a good World Cup of course.
When was the last time a Balon d'Or winner wasn't playing in the Champions League?
It just doesn't happen. Rightly or wrongly, scoring a hat-full in your league won't get you the award.
If someone like Neymar steals the show in the knock-out stages of the CL and turns up at the World Cup, no one will remember Suarez's Premier League turkey-shoots.
Suarez stands every chance of winning it with a good World Cup of course.
I wonder who will be in for him in the summer. Probably Real and it would be tragic to see the best player in the PL leave a second year in a row.
Maybe City or Chelski will have a go at signing him.
Maybe City or Chelski will have a go at signing him.
CL will be comparatively immaterial for the next Ballon D'or when there is a world cup in the summer.
Suarez has scored as many league goals as Aguero and Rooney taken together, despite the fact that he's played less games and doesn't take penalties. And Aguero and Rooney are supposed to have had great seasons so far. That's ridiculous.
It would be better if you calculate the minutes played for each player rather than for games played to get a better goal per minute ratio rather than goal per game.
For example;
Suarez has played 1,529 minutes of Premier league football and has scored 22 goals or a goal every 69 minutes. If we include penalties Liverpool have had, this comes down to 62 minutes.
Sergio Aguero has played 1,126 minutes and has scored 13 goals or a goal every 86 minutes. No penalties.
Wayne Rooney has played 1,459 minutes and has scored 9 goals or a goal every 162 minutes, if we include penalties, this comes down to 145.9 minutes.
But level is a subjective term. Suraz will have to continue scoring at this rate for many years before he'll be held in the same regard, but as it stands, he's been the best player across Europe.
Tell that to Wesley Sneijder.
I'm sure he knows, being overlooked for Messi and Xaviesta that he sent packing in the CL in 2010.
Don't be a dick. He was the best player in the WC too. UEFA/FIFA has a hard-on for messi and hence he got overlooked.
Has to be playing in the CL also.
He's guaranteed to be playing in the CL next year, I don't see anyway he won't be. If we qualify, then it'll be with us. If we don't, then he'll go elsewhere and play. If he goes elsewhere he won't be as likely to win it.
Trudat.
I know the French aren't best pleased since Ribery didn't win it. They are surprised, shocked even that all those who voted are automatically putting Ronaldo and Messi in first or second place. Messi has been good, but I believe that Ribery won enough to justify perhaps a second place. They might as well just get rid of the 3rd place and place just two names to vote for, for the next few seasons.
One is a kid, one was world class for Dortmund but not yet with us, one has been ill and as of now is a shadow of his former self (despite one performance to reel back the years), one is a Mexican who used to score a lot of goals, one is a striker who up until recently struggles to score and is still a kid, one is a former world class full back, one is an aging world class centre half, one is a former excellent winger who used to be able to cross the ball and one is a top class midfielder with no one to help him control a game (except for Rooney) and one is the best young keeper in the World. I'll give you De Gea who has helped keep us in games and Januzaj who has played beyond his years but the fact is if any of those players were playing to the level we have seen them capable of we wouldn't be in this mess. The fact is that Suarez has been the best player in the League but (regardless of him fecking our club around) Rooney has been exceptional in playing in a team where the football has been awful but he still produces assists and goals in abundance. Also Suarez has never had to drop deep and play in midfield to try and rescue games like Rooney has. Say what you want about Rooney wanting to leave (and he may still yet) but he has been up there this season and has single handedly pulled us through games in a way I don't think Suarez could (without a functioning team behind him). Simply put we are in possession of a player who has probably been the best player in the last ten years of the Premiership (obviously Ronaldo is better but taking into account years spent in England), yet we fail to recognise this in light of Suarez and his doing well for a team clearly on the up and who Rodgers has done an exceptional job with. Don't make allowances for Suarez and talk about average players and then act like any of those players you have mentioned (except for Janujaz and De Gea) have performed anywhere near above average this season. For me Rooney is playing to a level which matches Suarez this year albeit he is playing for a team struggling for form and cohesiveness whereas Liverpool are flying (and obviously Suarez is the main component of this).
Really?
No one is playing at Suarez's level. That's even beyond RAWK level delusion.
No chance.
I am very serious. He finished behind Xaviesta because they won the world cup and he didn't. And I think it's debatable that he was the best player at the world cup. For my money, forlan was the deserved golden ball winner.
That Messi won it ahead of all of them anyway is a freak incident. No one but Messi is capable of being so much better than the rest that he still runs away with it in a world cup year despite 'only' winning the league.
It felt like a victory for logic in some respects when Messi won that award. He didn't have the international success of the others, but that was just one of the best seasons anyone has ever had surely. If it is given for individual contribution, he absolutely deserved that.
Uruguay aren't getting far in the World Cup. They have a tough group from which they could quite conceivably struggle to come out of and they're realistically not good enough to get a medal this time.
If Suarez and Cavani click they could win it.
or he could bite someone and miss thre rest of the WC
First of all, it would be easier if you put it into manageable paragraphs so, I'll do it for you, it is much more pleasing on the eye. Apart from Januzaj, these were the same players who won us the league last season. They have been or still are world class by my reckoning. The second bolded part is so wrong too. You haven't been watching that many games this season then I take it? I have watched nearly all our games, all Liverpool games, Arsenal or even Chelsea games and to be honest, he is doing really well for a player that is unsettled and wants to leave. He has come deep to get the ball, he has had to carry the burden of the whole Liverpool team since Sturridge was injured against the likes of City and Chelsea. Let us not forget that he provided an assist for the goal that was wrongfully disallowed which could have changed that game completely.
Against Chelsea, he was always against 3 world class defenders at any one time and he was getting fouled but because of his reputation, the referee was having none of it. Secondly, in that game he was trying to take the game to Chelsea but not one single Liverpool teammate went to help him. If Mourinho had employed the same tactics that Pellegrini used, he would have taken Cahill or Terry to the cleaners like he did with Kompany. Suarez, as far as I'm concerned doesn't really have a functioning team behind him, not players in the same class as ours. Coutinho might get in or Sturridge, but that is about it, forget the rest.
For the last bolded comment, yes, Liverpool are flying simpply because Suarez has been their best players whilst others have been injured or just simply average players. We have world class players who have been average this season which evens it up just a bit. However, I still don't see how Rooney is up there with Suarez this season. You need to get the statistics out to confirm this.