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What is Luis Suarez worth?
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Saw the clip from another angle and it looked a penalty. Guzan came hurtling out with no control so made it a bit too easy for Suarez. If you go to ground in the box and don't get the ball you make the referee make a decision.
Agree but doesn't automatically mean its is penalty.
Yeah I'm not saying it is an automatic peno but if I was defending a situation like that I'd do my best to stay on my feet.
I take it your not a gk then?
Jack spends a lot of time on his back too actually.
Do you think Guzan made the right decision to dive at the feet of Suarez considering he was going away from goal and at a bad angle to shoot?
It was obviously a dive. But I see this a bit like the ones who go down in the area as soon as they feel contact. Sure they could have stayed up, but the defender has still messed up by giving the ref a hard decision to make and when a penalty is on the line, it becomes a more blurred line.
Incidentally, Gary Neville agrees:
Incidentally, Gary Neville agrees:
"Every single weekend it becomes a point of national debate when a striker goes down in the box," he told Monday Night Football.
"For me, the goalkeeper makes a really poor decision and 100 times out of 100, if a 'keeper comes flying out at a forward like that then you will end up with a penalty.
"I don't know what Guzan was playing at and I think that when he was sat at home yesterday he'd be reflecting that he'd do something completely different next time.
"A lot of people are offended by the potential that Luis Suarez has dived. If I was in an Aston Villa shirt, I'd be disappointed in my goalkeeper and if I was a Liverpool player I'd actually be disappointed if my player didn't go down in that position when a goalkeeper comes flying out. That's a professional point of view.
"We're asking the question: is it a penalty or is it a dive? The answer is yes, it is a penalty because the knee of Guzan has gone into Suarez's ankle.
"Does he dive? If you watch Suarez's left leg he throws himself to the ground, wins the penalty and plays for it. I'd call it clever as a professional.
"People at home are offended by the fact that players can win penalties, but I'd call that terrible goalkeeping. Luis Suarez has done what I'd want a team-mate of mine to do in that position.
"People may not like hearing that, but that's a fact."
I don't approve much of diving in general, but I do admit the lines get blurred in cases like this when the defender or goalkeeper acts in a way that clearly invites a penalty if you play along."For me, the goalkeeper makes a really poor decision and 100 times out of 100, if a 'keeper comes flying out at a forward like that then you will end up with a penalty.
"I don't know what Guzan was playing at and I think that when he was sat at home yesterday he'd be reflecting that he'd do something completely different next time.
"A lot of people are offended by the potential that Luis Suarez has dived. If I was in an Aston Villa shirt, I'd be disappointed in my goalkeeper and if I was a Liverpool player I'd actually be disappointed if my player didn't go down in that position when a goalkeeper comes flying out. That's a professional point of view.
"We're asking the question: is it a penalty or is it a dive? The answer is yes, it is a penalty because the knee of Guzan has gone into Suarez's ankle.
"Does he dive? If you watch Suarez's left leg he throws himself to the ground, wins the penalty and plays for it. I'd call it clever as a professional.
"People at home are offended by the fact that players can win penalties, but I'd call that terrible goalkeeping. Luis Suarez has done what I'd want a team-mate of mine to do in that position.
"People may not like hearing that, but that's a fact."
Pretty much what I was trying to say but put much better!!
I guess the gist of it is this, if Guzan hadn't come rushing out, then the dive would have been even more obvious than before. However, when the goalkeeper comes rushing out like a madman and the attacker is running at full speed, it gives the referee no option but to award the penalty kick. So, even though he is a cheat, Guzan was at fault for having a rush of blood too.
Think that's what GKs do is dive and cover the angle but he made a bad decision no doubt but that doesn't hide the fact Suarez dived.
I think 99.9% of football knew he dived, but as far as the referee was concerned, the goalkeeper came rushing towards Suarez, which didn't really leave him any alternative but to award it.
I am surprised that Suarez has not received an honorable PADI certification by now.
Cheers Lyon great summary this is exactly what i was trying to get across.
Guzan came rushing out and hit Suarez right ankle. Suarez then dived by removing the weight from his left leg. He could have stayed on his feet but then in all likelihood he wouldn't have won a penalty. If Guzan is a smart goal keeper he makes a better decision and doesn't make any contact with Suarez and just narrows the angle to the goal leaving Suarez an impossible shooting chance. So yes I do think Suarez dived but I also think it was a penalty because Guzan dived in for a tackle and missed the ball and made contact with the man. Suarez over emphasised the contact so I suppose some would class that as cheating others may class it as clever.
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Depends on who you see as the better player.
I'm not getting into the RVP Vs. Suarez debate. It's clear who's ahead of who at this point.
Who are your two most important players?
It is is it?Yes injury is a fair criteria in comparing two active players
RvP has never had a goal/assist record anywhere near comparable to Suarez this season.
Come the end of the season I think there will be a lot of the hype distributed to Aguero, and rightly, particularly if City win a trophy or two.
He's been ridiculous since he's returned but unfortunately the media still only pay attention to 'SAS' since Sturridge returned recently too.
Suarez had an outstanding impact, no doubt about it. Let's see where it finishes and if he keeps those standards as high as he has.
He's been ridiculous since he's returned but unfortunately the media still only pay attention to 'SAS' since Sturridge returned recently too.
Suarez had an outstanding impact, no doubt about it. Let's see where it finishes and if he keeps those standards as high as he has.
Good lord. So RVP is comparable to Sturridge and Suarez is a better player? ok
I didn't say that, did I? Suarez is a better player than RvP and both are better than Sturridge.
It has no bearing who the clubs best players are, it's about quality. Crouch is Stokes or Steven Fletcher Sunderland's but it's not comparable to losing Robin Van fecking Persie
RVP is the better finisher, the best in the league and does not require debate.
That was the original point I made in the RAWK thread, the point your now arguing.
It has no bearing who the clubs best players are, it's about quality. Crouch is Stokes or Steven Fletcher Sunderland's but it's not comparable to losing Robin Van fecking Persie
RVP is the better finisher, the best in the league and does not require debate.
And losing Van Persie is not comparable to losing Suarez then?
He scored or assisted 50 goals in 48 for Arsenal in 11/12.
Let's see where Suarez finishes before we go mental.
It probably won't happen but if Suarez goes on a 10 game run of doing feck all, then it distorts his incredible record so far doesn't it?
If Sunderland lost Fletcher and we lost Suarez it's comparable. Both clubs would have lost their best striker. Ours is better, but that's irrelevant, it still has a huge impact.
It does, but he'd still have 27 goals and assists in 27 games.
Wow.
If it doesn't yield the holy 4th spot and he dries up it can almost be deemed pointless.
Once Dimitar Berbatov scored 5 and assisted 1 in one game. Beat that ratio.
BTW Suarez is 27? Always thought he was 25.
Surely he must be getting at an age where he must be itchy to actually win something and play UCL football year in year out.
Surely he must be getting at an age where he must be itchy to actually win something and play UCL football year in year out.
I am not the one arguing against that, I am actually arguing for it, my point was that losing Sturridge and losing Van Persie are two totally different loses in quality.
Barney here seems to think its a similar loss no matter how good or bad the player is.
He only turned 27 on Friday.
You would be utterly nowhere without that, without Sturridge you seem to have survived. Now I will wager there are posts of yours claiming that without RVP United probably would not have won the league last year, and that would be totally correct.
He never had Suarez' thing for running up the score against Norwich, no, but he's had a couple of runs where he's scored a goal a game over a prolonged period. Including actually scoring against big clubs.
I guess it's a question of which you think is more valuable.
He isnt going to win a PL or CL anytime soon with Liverpool though is he?
You could be right but I don't know if losing Aguero would affect City half as much as say losing Kompany for a large stretch. In fact you can see at the start of the year that city suffered much more with Kompany out. There might be too much hype being put on players in forward positions.
Of course (though Kompany has been showing signs of complacency recently which might haunt them eventually).
Personally found Aguero every bit as good as Suarez even if he is playing in a better team. If anything with that many guys hungry and capable of scoring its harder to score? He doesn't take free kicks or anything like Suarez and scores a lot of goals where he's literally running through the defence.
Obviously I hold a strong dislike for Suarez and that SAS shit really irks me so I'm naturally looking for better elsewhere.
There's your mistake right there. These thoughts requires annual updates to stay current, toe poke.