Not yet. Zlatan has 76 goals and 26 assists in 86 games (0.88 goals per game). It isn't a purple patch he is going through, it has been consistent since his debut with PSG.
What is Luis Suarez worth?
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Not yet. Zlatan has 76 goals and 26 assists in 86 games (0.88 goals per game). It isn't a purple patch he is going through, it has been consistent since his debut with PSG.
That, and one should also mention that Suarez is rubbish against top opposition. He hasn't scored or assisted once against the best teams this season.
He was brilliant against City and scored against Everton and Spurs. He had poor games vs Arsenal and Chelsea. You then also have to look at the players Suarez plays with. He doesn't have the luxury that Zlatan has at PSG where he plays against inferior players every week and also has brilliant players surrounding him.
Is Suarez really in better form than Ronaldo? I don't buy this argument. Output wise, the ratios are pretty much the same? It's great for him that he's playing at that high level this season but he's got to do it like they have for long periods and back it up with trophies.
He's playing for Liverpool and doesn't get the same quality of service Ronaldo gets in every game so yeah without question.
He has more goals and assists in one less game. He has nearly double the key passes than he has, and is leading in dribbles. So, for someone like Suarez playing in an average team, you must admit he is doing something right.
See that I don't understand. Every time I talk football with Liverpool fans there are two things that are brought up by them:
1. Liverpool arguably has the best or second best starting XI in the league - after City perhaps.
2. Liverpool get every referee decision against them, and if Liverpool get one in their favor it's OK since all the other go against them.
So, if Liverpool do in fact have the best starting XI, or thereabouts, with world class players like Sturridge, Coutinho, Gerrard, Henderson, Sterling, Johnson, etc, how does Suarez not have the luxury of playing with brilliant players surrounding him?
He was rubbish against United, rubbish against Arsenal and not great against City - brilliant is way too strong a word. There is no doubt that his record against the best teams is too poor for a player of his quality (I would probably rank him top five in the world - so I do think he's brilliant)
This often gets ignored and the fact that Suarez is surrounded by players like Johnson, Lucas and Henderson doesn't really help.
I thought we'd got past that? Liverpool have been one of the best teams in the league this season? Why are we having to resort to quality factors? Sure Ronaldo has better players around him but Suarez isn't playing with Karl Henry and Joey Barton.
Not great against City? Are you sure you watched the game?
It doesn't matter that he's been crap in big games. He's making the difference in games like today. Liverpool used to always drop silly points to teams below them and play well against better opposition.
"Game raising cnuts" used to be their tagline.
"Game raising cnuts" used to be their tagline.
We know, but then Johnson, Gerrard (who according to some is finished) Lucas, Joe Allen or even Flanagan are not world beaters either.
Nail on the head. It is all very well to win against the top 4 home and away, but it counts for nothing if you cannot beat the midtable to relegation fodder when the rest of the top teams do.
He's been quiet for a few games, scores a couple against Stoke and he's suddenly the best player in the world again?
None of those players are world class. Suarez is the one truly top drawer player in our team. Clearly that's not true, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by having a dig at our supporters?
He had one bad game against Chelsea, ffs.
He's not the best in the world, but he's up there in the top 3 or 4.
Clearly, you are just a bit sensible though as I agree with you. I must remember to copy this and show it to Liverpool supporters
Imagine Suarez at Bayern... He would be something, and biting Germans would be OK with me (no offense Germans)
Sorry but as much as people love Ronaldo and loathe Suarez on here you won't convince me otherwise.
Ronaldo's playing alongside Modric, Isco, Benzema, Di Maria and Bale. Also I don't think Suarez has scored a league penalty?
He's on better form than any player in the world right now.
He might be a complete cnut but there is no denying that he is a brilliant player. Definitely one of the 5 best strikers in the world right now.
Um where did I say he wasn't doing anything right?
Let's not ignore how ridiculous Ronaldo has been in the Champions League too. 22 games, 29 goals and 6 none debatable assists in the league and CL is pretty outstanding return for a guy who doesn't line up as the main forward.
I'm not deny Suarez anything I just don't think there's a great deal of difference in form. Its marginal.
Ronaldo will never have as many key passes or dribbles as Suarez..he plays with better players (which people want to use as a reason not to laud his form) so the play is distributed between those better players more at Madrid than it is at Liverpool...hence higher scoring players such as Bale Benzema and Di Maria as opposed to Coutinho Sterling and Sturridge. That being said Liverpool's trio has stood in well in the absence of and supported the quality of Suarez effectively.
What is that thing he wears on his wrist? Something to help with wankers cramp?
Incredible player. His worth is well and truly into Bale territory now, provided he doesn't try and force his way out again... If he has an incident free season and a solid WC there will only be one or two teams that can afford him.
Some clubs would really splash an enormous amount of money for him and in this form, rightly so. But he just suits Liverpool so much, they are a perfect fit for each other.
More than Bale, easily. So, say 150-200 million Euros?
To be fair I have been saying this from the start of the season - only issue was his behaviour and whether he tries to engineer a move away again.
All things considered his value was never going to reflect his ability (top 5 player in the world for mine) simply due to his indiscretions. But this season he has knuckled down and simply performed brilliantly.
But you do realise come the end of last season no one was going to spend the stupid money you thought he was worth - he was coming off the back of his first (and only to date) ever WC season at 27, after rubbing Liverpool's name in the dirt several times. He wanted out too which didn't help 'Pool's cause.
But this season everything has changed. 'Pool are on the up and up, he has performed out of his skin, signed a new contract, and has had an incident free season (to date). For mine he is a better player than Bale, but regardless I don't think you'll see any team bid more than £70/80 million for him, considering only 2/3 teams can actually do it.
Crazy.
Minor quibble but he's actually 26. Got a few more years yet at the top.
My bad, even at 27 he still has years at the top.
To be fair, appearances isn't that accurate a measure for Messi this season because of his injury problems, he's had to go off early in at least 2 league games and came on as a sub in 2 others.
Transfermarkt has them at:
Cristiano: 1.493 minutes, so a goal every 75 minutes and created a chance every 57 minutes.
Suárez: 1.437 minutes, so a goal every 65 minutes and created a chance every 31 (!!) minutes. Impressive.
Messi: 805 minutes, so a goal every 101 minutes and created a chance every 40 minutes.
Really has been a great season. If he keeps this up for a couple more years then he surely enters into a top 3 with Ronaldo and Messi, with there being a good debate as to who is better out of him and Ronaldo. He's a thoroughly dislikable player but as a footballer he's outstanding.
Definitely turned him up against City in the way you'd expect a top player to. There's too much emphasis on scoring when it comes to judging these big game performances, I think.
Definitely turned him up against City in the way you'd expect a top player to. There's too much emphasis on scoring when it comes to judging these big game performances, I think.
He isn't too bad in shots either for the number of goals he has scored.
Cristiano: 141 shots for 20 goals. A shot every 10 minutes.
Suarez: 92 shots for 22 goals. A shot every 15 minutes.
Messi: 57 shots for 8 goals. A shot every 14 minutes.
Not only that, but he hasn't taken a single penalty yet, which makes it even more impressive. Furthermore, he is probably an unsettled player since he wanted to leave the club in the summer so, perhaps he is doing this to get some top club to sign him. If this is so, then it is still mightily impressive.
Wow. He's the best player in the world atm. Hope him leaving and Liverpool's inevitable european campaign next year(europa league, please) will push them down the table again.
Isn't it enough to just say he's one of the top 5 players in the world at the moment, and leave it at that?
I think even Liverpool fans will agree he's not as good as the obvious two. Maybe if he keeps this up for another two years we can have that conversation but for now I'm not having it.
Then there's the class just below, of which zlatan is probably the front runner. Are we really going to start arguing Suarez vs Ibra? Both score basically every game, both pull off ridiculous feats regularly, both routinely win games "on their own" etc. They're both nuts in short, and just slightly below Messi and ronaldo. I just don't see what else needs to be said.
Except of course to say Suarez is still a cnut. Nobody's taking that away from me.
I think even Liverpool fans will agree he's not as good as the obvious two. Maybe if he keeps this up for another two years we can have that conversation but for now I'm not having it.
Then there's the class just below, of which zlatan is probably the front runner. Are we really going to start arguing Suarez vs Ibra? Both score basically every game, both pull off ridiculous feats regularly, both routinely win games "on their own" etc. They're both nuts in short, and just slightly below Messi and ronaldo. I just don't see what else needs to be said.
Except of course to say Suarez is still a cnut. Nobody's taking that away from me.
He might not be "as good" as Ronaldo or Messi, but so far this season, he has easily surpassed them in terms of performance. He's the best player in the world, easily. Reminds me of the 42 goal Ronaldo for us.
say what you want, he improved his finishing, the only thing he lacked in the past.
Quality player and his cuntness levels seem o drop.
Quality player and his cuntness levels seem o drop.
He's seems a lot more mature this season. Great player. I think it's unfair he is getting criticised on here for only 2 average performances against Arsenal and Chelsea. He has been excellent all season long. His goalscoring form is outstanding when you consider that Ronaldo, Messi, Zlatan are all regular penalty takers for their clubs. He could easily set a new record because there's just under half of the season to play. If he has a great World Cup he'll definately be in the top 3 nominees for the Ballon D'Or
True, he hasn't scored since like...........the game before.