Oh okay, I get you. I thought we were implying something like what park did to pirlo a few years back, or what pepe does to messi whenever they play.
What is Luis Suarez worth?
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I remember last season at home to Liverpool, Jones came on in the last 15 or so and followed Suarez everywhere.
At the start of the season, 99% of the people here would've rated Ozil above Suarez - not stupid at all.
Ronaldo? Flawless technique? Flawless touch? Surely you're kidding.
Ronaldo's dribbling isn't particularly great and his passing's not very creative but besides that, yes, his technique is rock solid. Great striking, heading and first touch, and very dependable passing (hence the 100% accuracy v Spurs a couple of years back - he doesn't open up defences but he's rarely sloppy). When I say flawless I mean the consistency of it, in that you almost never see him mess up a first touch. It's not particularly creative or inventive compared to Cruyff or others, but it's extremely reliable.
In fairness I'm one of those neanderthals who thinks Rooney is a better option for us behind the striker than Rooney, though. I've not really embraced this wonderfully complex new world of football analysis. You might need to educate me on that.
In fairness I'm one of those neanderthals who thinks Rooney is a better option for us behind the striker than Rooney, though. I've not really embraced this wonderfully complex new world of football analysis. You might need to educate me on that.
To be honest 99% of those fans on here (not all Utd) had massive cognitive bias against Suarez. So it was stupid after all.
This is highly amusing to say the least 
Didn't score and I expect that'll be leveled against him again, but he was very good again today.
Flat track bully
But yeah, he was good today. Suffers from the fact that you have play average players like Allen in the MF and he has to drop back create chances rather than scoring. In the last 15 minutes, we he stayed up exclusively you did not create a single chance. One player scoring and creating so many is not going to last and sooner or later others will have to chip in with a greater share.
But yeah, he was good today. Suffers from the fact that you have play average players like Allen in the MF and he has to drop back create chances rather than scoring. In the last 15 minutes, we he stayed up exclusively you did not create a single chance. One player scoring and creating so many is not going to last and sooner or later others will have to chip in with a greater share.
It's a telling stat though and for me he still remains something of a flat track bully.
Yep, it was his creative side which showed today: his pass that set Sterling away for the wrongly called offside and his flick-on that led to Coutinho's goal.
Back to trying to con the ref the Traveller. The big dramatic dive on the edge of the box and the starfish after the shirt pull.
His pass to Sterling when he missed that great chance was beautiful.
Great game by him, if anyone has anything negative to say about that performance then they know very little about this sport.
Ref couldn't wait to book him tonight... and in the end had to resort to booking him for pretty much nothing.
We if you are judging him by the claims that he is one of the best in the world his performance fell short.
Very creative today, had several fantastic moments. Made Liverpool look like being able to get a point or even the win.
His general play was excellent but his goal threat was lacking, and Liverpool really needed that.
Those stats above are telling.
Those stats above are telling.
So if I say hello dived twice then I know nothing about football? What a stupid comment.
I bet those stats weren't telling when Ronaldo's goal recorded was poor against Chelsea and Liverpool.
It means nothing, obviously its harder to score against the better sides and the better teams are better positioned to shut out the biggest threats.
It means nothing, obviously its harder to score against the better sides and the better teams are better positioned to shut out the biggest threats.
That's stat is not about the best teams. It's the top THIRTEEN. He has three goals. THREE.
It means a lot for a player to score in big games. Look at how Robben's mentality changed this year when he realised he can play well consistently in crucial fixtures. Ronaldo's stats
Suarez had a very good game today. The way he drags CBs out of position to allow Sterling to make the runs through the middle says everything about him. He should have had another assist. But right now, he's a flat track bully. I said this at the very start of the season. He doesn't do enough in the big games either and it's only recently that he's looked a bit better. His record against the big clubs is average at best. He's probably going to improve his goal record in the big games, I see why not, but there's nothing wrong with criticising him for this.
Its not even just the top top teams. He does most of his good work against absolute wank. 3 goals agains the top 13 teams? Wow.
Don't think there'd be call for him being a flat track bully if his passes had set up an equalizer for us. He obviously delivered today, just more in the creative department than goalscoring. Doesn't mean he didn't show up for a big game.
I watched the game and wasn't impressed by him. He's a talented player no doubt, but he was on the losing side today and failed to show up when it mattered. You telling me I know little about the sport tickles me though, cheers.
True about today but I was talking about that stat.
However event day, wouldn't you have preferred a bit more goal threat from him? He general play was quality but Liverpool needed his goal threat.
Is it his fault though that his teammates couldn't create chances for him?
Fair enough. One can't expect everything from him.
I would be interested in knowing the opinion of Liverpool fans on that stat above.
I would. I understand why he dropped deep though. City stockpiled the midfield, Allen and Henderson had very little room to maneuver in the space between the lines. Think if he stayed up top, he would have been marginalised.
Think we had the right formula with Sterling being the one running in behind their backline. Missed a bit of that from Coutinho om left too. Not really his game as he's a playmaker, but still. when Moses came on, we just missed an option for whatever. Sturridge fit, he'd have made those from a more central position, and probably also more capable of mixing it up with Suarez in the centre.
Overall, despite a gruesome miss, I think Sterling gave a good account of himself though. Really starting to come into his own at senior level and delivering performances where you don't need to say "he'll be good some day" after missing the last 15% to pull things off.
Problem with top thirteen is that it is likely to change monthly, even weekly. Could be top ten this week, top sixteen next week. But nonetheless an interesting statistic and one that probably applies to most goalscorers. And yet there have been average players with decent goal returns against the top four/five clubs.
Re. That Suarez statistic ....
Suarez missed the matches against United, Swansea, and Southampton, because of his suspension for being a brainless knob. So I guess that's mitigating circumstances, albeit self-inflicted.
Suarez missed the matches against United, Swansea, and Southampton, because of his suspension for being a brainless knob. So I guess that's mitigating circumstances, albeit self-inflicted.
Are you joking? He has had great performances against us for a number of years, Chelsea and he was Liverpool's best player today against City. He setup the goal, and had it not been for Sturridge and Coutinho's profligacy Liverpool would have won. The records book won't show that.
Remember that 3-1 game in 2011 at Anfield. Luis Suarez set up all 3 goals (although Kuyt scored them). For the first he dribbled Rafael, Carrick, Wes Brown and put the ball through VDS's legs for Kuyt to tap it in. The second was a LS cross that Kuyt put from 5 yds and the third was a FK from LS that VDS could not hold and that Kuyt turned home. That's the problem with stats... the record books will simply say Dirk Kuyt hattrick, but to anyone who understands the game, Suarez was the real menace.
In regards to the stat, Suarez has had precisely one good performance against us, and scored in just the one match. They weren't the same game.
We're talking about goals. His goal record in big games is average. You missed the point.
Keep your insults to yourself.