What is Luis Suarez worth?

I wouldn't see how this makes sense, technically Ronaldo isn't a better player than he is.
Do you mean technically as in technique, because that isn't everything. If you mean technically as in just you think he is the better player, well you are probably the only one.

What's hard to understand though, on form I would have him in the top 3 but I wouldn't have him in the top 3 in general.
 
Do you mean technically as in technique, because that isn't everything. If you mean technically as in just you think he is the better player, well you are probably the only one.

What's hard to understand though, on form I would have him in the top 3 but I wouldn't have him in the top 3 in general.

I mean as in technique.

Who would you have there in general?
 
I wouldn't see how this makes sense, technically Ronaldo isn't a better player than he is.

He is, really. The sort of form Suarez has been in for the last couple of months Ronaldo has been in for 6 or 7 years.
 
He is, really. The sort of form Suarez has been in for the last couple of months Ronaldo has been in for 6 or 7 years.


No denying who is the better player, but in terms of touch dribbling, passing, theres a few i put above Ronaldo. Suarez isn't the only one, Iniesta, Ribery possibly too.
 
Suárez has a better touch than Ronaldo? Jesus, what do you lot smoke. Suárez is like Rooney with better dribbling. He'll have a few ropey touches every game and he'll make a few sloppy passes every game - Ronaldo pretty much never does this. Suárez is probably more creative, but Ronaldo's technique is pretty much flawless. His touch certainly is.
 
Suárez has a better touch than Ronaldo. Jesus what do you lot smoke. Suárez is like Rooney with better dribbling. He'll have a few ropey touches every game and he'll make a few sloppy passes every game - Ronaldo pretty much never does this. Suárez is probably more creative, but Ronaldo's technique is pretty much flawless. His touch certainly is.

He doesn't have bad touches, and i think most Liverpool fans will attest to this.

His touch is only unpredictable when his dribbling in full flight and thats more down to his style if anything. Rooney's touch is far more inconsistent, and i'm specifically referring to about two years ago when he was in lacklustre form and it seemed his touch had deserted him. Suarez has never had the same problems while his been at Liverpool even when he was struggling to finish chances.
 
Ronaldo has one of the best touches I've seen. Remember his hat-trick recently against Sweden? Can't remember which goal but he received the ball at pace and his first touch was perfect. Controlled, into space, he set himself perfectly. All within a second. And he does this every game.
 
He doesn't have bad touches, and i think most Liverpool fans will attest to this.

His touch is only unpredictable when his dribbling in full flight and thats more down to his style if anything. Rooney's touch is far more inconsistent, and i'm specifically referring to about two years ago when he was in lacklustre form and it seemed his touch had deserted him. Suarez has never had the same problems while his been at Liverpool.


Next time I'm watching Liverpool I'll point out the handful of times his play is seriously sloppy. I've lost count of the number of times commentators have said "so it turns out he's not perfect, who knew?" when he loses the ball carelessly. Honestly, they say some variation of that every half an hour.
 
It all depends if Suarez keeps it up to the end of the season, neither Falcao Bale Rooney or Lewdanowski have a season where they've scored more goals than games, only Messi and Ronaldo.


Franz Binder, Albert Friedenrich, Gerd Muller and Josef Bican. Binder with 1.33 goals for a career total, Friedenrich 1.072 goals per game, Muller with 1.20 and Bican with 1.60 goals per game.
 
Ronaldo has one of the best touches I've seen. Remember his hat-trick recently against Sweden? Can't remember which goal but he received the ball at pace and his first touch was perfect. Controlled, into space, he set himself perfectly. All within a second. And he does this every game.




I think you're talking about this goal. Looks easy but the first touch was ridiculously good. Ball was hit with pace and he was sprinting to receive it, but with one touch he took out both the defender and goalkeeper. It it was Suarez, chances are, we probably wouldn't even see a goal.

All 3 goals against Sweden demonstrates his great touch. He took only a total of 7 touch to score 3 goals when the chances arise.
 


I think you're talking about this goal. Looks easy but the first touch was ridiculously good. Ball was hit with pace and he was sprinting to receive it, but with one touch he took out both the defender and goalkeeper. It it was Suarez, chances are, we probably wouldn't even see a goal.


Lol

 



I don't know why you even bother. The point we are trying to make here is not whether can Suarez execute a difficult ball control. He's a world class footballer, we know he definitely can. The point people are trying to make here is that the consistency of his technique is not on Ronaldo's level.
 
I don't know why you even bother. The point we are trying to make here is not whether can Suarez execute a difficult ball control. He's a world class footballer, we know he definitely can. The point people are trying to make here is that the consistency of his technique is not on Ronaldo's level.

And you did this by posting one example of Ronaldo's touch, i did the same. For what its worth i think Suarez touch and overall technique is just as consistent.
 
It all depends if Suarez keeps it up to the end of the season, neither Falcao Bale Rooney or Lewdanowski have a season where they've scored more goals than games, only Messi and Ronaldo.


I forgot one other player who did it once, and that was our very own Denis Law. He scored 30 goals in 30 league games, with 46 goals in 42 games, and 11 international goals in 7 games. This brings him to 57 goals in 49 games.
 
I forgot one other player who did it once, and that was our very own Denis Law. He scored 30 goals in 30 league games, with 46 goals in 42 games, and 11 international goals in 7 games. This brings him to 57 goals in 49 games.

Incredible...
 


I think you're talking about this goal. Looks easy but the first touch was ridiculously good. Ball was hit with pace and he was sprinting to receive it, but with one touch he took out both the defender and goalkeeper. It it was Suarez, chances are, we probably wouldn't even see a goal.

All 3 goals against Sweden demonstrates his great touch. He took only a total of 7 touch to score 3 goals when the chances arise.


That's the one. He makes it look so easy.
 
Has any club tried to man mark Suarez this season? One for the Liverpool fans to answer.I have spoken to Liverpool supporters at work and mentioned that it might be a ploy, but they thing it's been tried and failed due to his movement.I would back Phil Jones to do a good job on Suarez when next we play!
 
Suárez has a better touch than Ronaldo? Jesus, what do you lot smoke. Suárez is like Rooney with better dribbling. He'll have a few ropey touches every game and he'll make a few sloppy passes every game - Ronaldo pretty much never does this. Suárez is probably more creative, but Ronaldo's technique is pretty much flawless. His touch certainly is.
Yup, look at suarez's first goal against spurs for example. Came from 2 sloppy passes from Suarez that luckily came his way and he finished it really well.
 
Has any club tried to man mark Suarez this season? One for the Liverpool fans to answer.I have spoken to Liverpool supporters at work and mentioned that it might be a ploy, but they thing it's been tried and failed due to his movement.I would back Phil Jones to do a good job on Suarez when next we play!

Hopefully Moyes tries this. I think he'd be torn apart.
 
The best and most appropriate way to equate his value today would be - If you had five pigs in blankets on your plate, how many would you trade for Suarez? I would probably go for two.
 
Jones has manmarked players who are way beyond Suarez' level of ability.

I would absolutely love Moyes to put a man marker on Suarez. Does man-marking even happen in this decade? Anyhow, the throwback to the good old days would be mildly nostalgic.
 
I would absolutely love Moyes to put a man marker on Suarez. Does man-marking even happen in this decade? Anyhow, the throwback to the good old days would be mildly nostalgic.

Jones man-marked Fellaini, actually, vs Everton.

And he did a number on Ronaldo in the CL. Obviously the class of Ronaldo led to two goals but Jones subdued him for most of the clash, until we were a man down.
 
I would absolutely love Moyes to put a man marker on Suarez. Does man-marking even happen in this decade? Anyhow, the throwback to the good old days would be mildly nostalgic.
It happened plenty of times with Fergie in charge. Park on Pirlo, Park on Charlie Adam (..) and Phil Jones keeping Ronaldo quiet. We're not talking any random man marker though, we're talking Phil Jones. Suarez would be playing at left back, just to avoid that beast.
 
I would absolutely love Moyes to put a man marker on Suarez. Does man-marking even happen in this decade? Anyhow, the throwback to the good old days would be mildly nostalgic.

Jones took Bale and to an extent Ronaldo out of the game (the goals he scored against us was down to Evra's mistake and being down to 10 men). He could deal with Suarez if asked.
 
It happened plenty of times with Fergie in charge. Park on Pirlo, Park on Charlie Adam (..) and Phil Jones keeping Ronaldo quiet. We're not talking any random man marker though, we're talking Phil Jones. Suarez would be playing at left back, just to avoid that beast.

The best man marker in the world?
 
It happened plenty of times with Fergie in charge. Park on Pirlo, Park on Charlie Adam (..) and Phil Jones keeping Ronaldo quiet. We're not talking any random man marker though, we're talking Phil Jones. Suarez would be playing at left back, just to avoid that beast.

That's quite scary actually. But for Jones to be assigned specifically to Suarez would require your team to play an additional midfielder, thus a winger or striker less. Not sure you'd want to go that defensive at home. Liverpool are not Real Madrid.

If Jones did man mark Suarez it would be an intriguing contest. Suarez's movement is nothing like Ronaldo's. He'd drag Jones all over the park and, without actually touching the ball, he'd still lead the Liverpool forward momentum.
 
Why on earth would we need to man mark Suarez when we play them? We beat Liverpool Ina. Pretty comfortable performance earlier this year, and Suarez did nothing that game. Liverpool at old trafford these last few years is nothing. It'll be a tough game but we wouldn't need to man mark Suarez or to defensive. You just control the game and stop their midfield so Suarez doesn't get on the ball high up the pitch, something we've done pretty well over the years I'd say.
 
Why on earth would we need to man mark Suarez when we play them? We beat Liverpool Ina. Pretty comfortable performance earlier this year, and Suarez did nothing that game. Liverpool at old trafford these last few years is nothing. It'll be a tough game but we wouldn't need to man mark Suarez or to defensive. You just control the game and stop their midfield so Suarez doesn't get on the ball high up the pitch, something we've done pretty well over the years I'd say.

The cup game?
 
I would absolutely love Moyes to put a man marker on Suarez. Does man-marking even happen in this decade? Anyhow, the throwback to the good old days would be mildly nostalgic.


Anything is possible with Davey Moyes.
 
Suárez has a better touch than Ronaldo? Jesus, what do you lot smoke. Suárez is like Rooney with better dribbling. He'll have a few ropey touches every game and he'll make a few sloppy passes every game - Ronaldo pretty much never does this. Suárez is probably more creative, but Ronaldo's technique is pretty much flawless. His touch certainly is.

I agree on Suárez's touch... it's part of what makes his playing style so 'scrappy'; while his technique surely has a huge peak, it isn't nearly as consistent as other world class forwards. Now, for my money Cristiano doesn't have that exceptionnal a touch either (not in an all-time sense anyway), but indeed certainly far more consistent than Suárez and most others. While it might not provide a perfect picture with regards to a player's technical level, there is in the world of football stats a term called "Turnovers per game" (with a turnover being defined as a "loss of possession due to a mistake/poor control"), and I would argue that it does reflect to some degree the consistency of a player's ball control/touch (although the way the player is utilized tactically plays a significant role as well I would imagine).

For the current season, Suárez is ranked #6 on WhoScored in the top-5 leagues in Europe with an average of 2.9 turnovers per game...

For reference, most other top forwards seem to be between 1.5 and 2.5 turnovers per game (Falcao, Ibra, Lewandowski around 2.5, Neymar and Agüero on 2, Rooney on 1.9, Higuaín on 1.6, etc.). Cristiano is on 1.3 turnovers per game so far in the league this season, Messi on 0.5 (even less than Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets). Sidenote: while not a forward, I saw that Özil is at a quite shocking 2.2 turnovers per game so far this season.

Historically,


Luis Suárez
- 2010/11: 4 turnovers per game (#1 in the Premier League, only half a season though)
- 2011/12: 2.9 turnovers per game (#3)
- 2012/13: 2.4 turnovers per game (#2)
- 2013/14: 2.9 turnovers per game (#1)

Zlatan Ibrahimovic
- 2010/11: 1.8 turnovers per game (#19 in Serie A)
- 2011/12: 1.9 turnovers per game (#10)
- 2012/13: 2.6 turnovers per game (#2 in Ligue 1)
- 2013/14: 2.5 turnovers per game (#11)

Wayne Rooney
- 2010/11: 1.6 turnovers per game (#31 in the PL)
- 2011/12: 1.5 turnovers per game (#45)
- 2012/13: 0.9 turnovers per game (#99)
- 2013/14: 1.9 turnovers per game (#23)

Sergio Agüero
- 2010/11: 2.1 turnovers per game (#14 in La Liga)
- 2011/12: 1.5 turnovers per game (#44 in the PL)
- 2012/13: 1.5 turnovers per game (#40)
- 2013/14: 2 turnovers per game (#18)

Cristiano Ronaldo
- 2010/11: 2.1 turnovers per game (#13 in La Liga)
- 2011/12: 2.3 turnovers per game (#3)
- 2012/13: 1.9 turnovers per game (#13)
- 2013/14: 1.3 turnovers per game (#47)

Lionel Messi
- 2010/11: 1.8 turnovers per game (#25 in La Liga)
- 2011/12: 1.6 turnovers per game (#20)
- 2012/13: 1.3 turnovers per game (#47)
- 2013/14: 0.5 turnovers per game (#196)


As can be discerned from these stats, Suárez has consistently been among the top-3 players in the league with the most turnovers per game, which would support Brwned's view on the matter. However, in his defense, he's also consistently been among the top-3 players with the most (successful) dribbles per game in the PL. Let's just say his style isn't very "risk-averse".
 
The cup game?
Yeah, I know it was suarez's first game back but still, he's not like a messi who single handedly destroys you. Suarez is a great player in excellent form but still far away from Ronaldo or messi, and he always will be far away.
 
Yeah, I know it was suarez's first game back but still, he's not like a messi who single handedly destroys you. Suarez is a great player in excellent form but still far away from Ronaldo or messi, and he always will be far away.

Didn't we have Jones do a job on Bale last season though? If Bale deserves that kind of special attention then Suarez certainly does.
 
Didn't we have Jones do a job on Bale last season though? If Bale deserves that kind of special attention then Suarez certainly does.
I definitely don't remember us man marking bale ever. He almost always was kept quiet because of Rafael and was just hiding on the wing against us. We may have put jones on him to get close to him whenever he gets the ball so he doesn't shoot but I don't think bale was ever the type of player that required a person man marking him.
 
I definitely don't remember us man marking bale ever. He almost always was kept quiet because of Rafael and was just hiding on the wing against us. We may have put jones on him to get close to him whenever he gets the ball so he doesn't shoot but I don't think bale was ever the type of player that required a person man marking him.

You might be right, maybe it wasn't a man marking job exactly. We definitely deployed Jones specifically to nulify Bale though, in much the same way we did to stop Ronaldo. Sarni is referencing the game I'm on about in his post above. You'll also see it referenced here:

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2013/01...ed-united-stop-bale-but-leave-gaps-elsewhere/

and here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...eal-Madrid-Manchester-United-man-marking.html

Apparently we did something similar to nulify Fellaini too:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/feb/10/manchester-united-everton-marouane-fellaini

Anyway, my point is that we set up specifically to counter the threat posed by these two players, so Suarez has certainly earned the sane respect.