fwiw, across the whole of 2013, Ronaldo and Suarez' goals to games ratios are nearly identical.
Ronaldo: 58 goals in 50 games.
Suarez: 29 goals in 26 games.
Ronaldo: 58 goals in 50 games.
Suarez: 29 goals in 26 games.
What is Luis Suarez worth?
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So Ronaldo's is far more impressive because he's not just focusing his efforts in one competition. He's playing on average one game more a week than Suarez. That's far more difficult.
Yup, that's a very good point.
So Suarez is far more impressive because he doesn't have a team of worldies behind him every week and doesn't play in la liga. That's far more difficult.
So Suarez is far more impressive because he doesn't have a team of worldies behind him every week and doesn't play in la liga. That's far more difficult.
You won't believe how many people keeping bringing up stuff like that. Some people would have you believe Suarez is playing alongside a bunch of pub players that are crippled.
So Suarez is far more impressive because he doesn't have a team of worldies behind him every week and doesn't play in la liga. That's far more difficult.
It works both ways. People somehow believe playing in a better team automatically guarantees more goals or better performances when that clearly isnt the case.
So Suarez is far more impressive because he doesn't have a team of worldies behind him every week and doesn't play in la liga. That's far more difficult.
The mental and physical exhaustion from playing for a proper team in multiple competitions means Ronaldo's is much more impressive.
While Suarez is resting up between weekly league games in spring, Ronaldo will be playing and expected to perform and score against the best teams in Europe.
Suarez is quality but Ronaldos doing it at a higher level in general. I think Suarez could easily get 40+ this season but we'll see.
So Suarez is far more impressive because he doesn't have a team of worldies behind him every week and doesn't play in la liga. That's far more difficult.
David Villa had a team of worldies behind him every week when he was at Barcelona and was scoring less than he did at Valencia. Zlatan was scoring less at Barcelona than he was at other clubs. It's not as simple as you seem to believe. There are plenty of examples of strikers moving to the best clubs and failing to score as many goals as they did at smaller clubs.
Perhaps you are right, but here is a player who has played in 5 different countries, not one or two, but five. His goal per game average with Malmo was 0.40. He went to Ajax and scored 48 goals in 115 games which is 0.42. Then he went to Italy and played in a total of 294 games, scored 148 goals and assisted 65 goals, at a rate of 0.50 goals per game. Then he moved to Spain and was up to 0.47 goals per game with them, 22 goals, not including the 13 assists in that total. Finally, he is playing in yet another league, 56 goals in 68 appearances with 24 assists too. I dislike this guy for a lot of reasons, but for all round ability and to play in various different leagues and to score at a consistent 0.50 is pretty good in my opinion and as I said, he has proved it not just in the Premier league or la liga or the Erevidisie, but elsewhere too.
That was not the case with Ronaldo though. He didn't go to barca, which is in many ways a unique case in this, and wasn't made to play second fiddle to the main goalscorer either.
And most notably, his goalscoring record went up significantly once he moved to Real, surrounded by worldies and playing in la liga. He clearly benefited.
If Suárez went to Madrid he'd obviously have to play second fiddle though, he'd be sacrificing himself in the same way Benzema is now and most likely his goalscoring record would drop and then we could end this silly debate.
You probably couldn't end this silly debate...because he'd be going to play second fiddle and Ronaldo would obviously be outscoring him by default, not because he's an infinitely superior footballer.
Suárez is able to score the number of goals he is now because he's not playing for a top team. If he was playing for one of the top teams he'd not be afforded the luxuries he is now, he'd not be as productive as he is now and no-one would be talking about him as being in that top tier. That seems to be the essence of the overall debate.
His goal scoring record was always going to go up once he changed his game the way he did. Would have happened had he been happy and stayed here too.
Suarez in the same Real team wouldnt score as much as he does in Pool.
Then the essence of the debate is wrong.
No one bothers with the argument that Ronaldo wouldn't score as many if he played second fiddle to Messi at barca either, though that is likely to be true as well.
That is a claim we will never know the truth of. In his second season of 'changing his game the way he did', his goalscoring went down. Then went dramatically up and better than ever before once he left.
If by 'the same Real team' you mean putting Suarez in there instead of Ronaldo, I am not so sure. If you mean alongside Ronaldo, then sure he probably wouldn't. few would.
Yes because he wanted to play for Real Madrid and not Manchester United. He was basically waiting for the move. I see no reason why a happy Ronaldo in the prem wouldnt score 40 goals a season.
Its hard to argue as its hypothetical but I dont see Suarez in place of Ronaldo in Real scoring as much as Ronaldo does. He isnt as good, benefits a lot from playing just 1 game a week and its highly unlikely he'd be considered good enough to have the team built around him as is the case at Pool.
When he wanted to play for Manchester he still never scored as many as he did for Real.
The fact that Ronaldo has blossomed at Real doesn't imply though that Suarez will be the same. I do not exclude such a possibility for Suarez is obviously very talented and has got a great attitude but it is still very hypothetical. We have to see more of him before coming with more justified expectations and evaluations about his ability.
Because he hadnt changed his game the way he has. He had obviously started the switch to a player more focused on scoring but that transformation really happened once he moved to Real. Also the role that he has there now where the team is built around him to score as many as possible, less defensive responsibilities etc. Had he stayed, very likely the same would have happened here. Will remain hypothetical though.
Benzema being the perfect example of what you just said. I think Suarez would score less at Madrid.
No he isn't.
First of all, he was a young player went from a weaker league to a top league. And secondly, had a lot to learn when he went to Madrid, redcafe spunk at the time notwithstanding. And was often kept out of the side by a more prolific Higuain.
In his last two seasons at Lyon he scored 23 and then 31 in all comp. After a hard first season in Madrid, he scored 26 in his second season and then 32 in his third. So actually, he became more prolific, despite having to share duties with Higuain. That he's since gone off the boil is neither here nor there.
David villa's goalscoring rate went down with Barcelona as did ibrahimovic's. Forlan's got better at worse teams than united. There's no hard and fast rule.
Err he left us at 24 and his his proper peak after that. I don't understand why Pool fans are so desperate to have Suarez anointed the BPITW right now it self. Just wait out the season. Infact if Suarez carries this form to the WC, then he might get the World player of the year award as well.
I can't imagine too many players have won the Ballon D'or without being in the CL, have they?
That contract is worth jack shit, if Liverpool get a massive offer from Real for Suarez he will want to leave and if the bid is 100 mil, you'd be mad not to accept that. He's held them to ransom, and got 200K as a result. But he'd leave when given the chance.
He's not winning it this year for sure. And next season messi should get over his injury issues and blitz everyone as usual.
Still think he's Madrid bound, but it's going to take some serious wedge. 60m+ i'd imagine.
Our Wazza did the same trick twice with us to get his own way? Do you think Wayne would still be here now if he hadn't what he wanted? I don't think so.
Since Liverpool hold all the cards, it is up to Real Madrid to bargain. If Liverpool want to sell him, then they could say 60 million pounds plus Benzema.
I'm not talking about that, I'm saying that if a big offer came they would sell him.
No, you mentioned a ransom which was the part I was referring to. Perhaps a big offer will come from Real Madrid, but you know full well that Liverpool hold all the cards and they can demand what they want i.e. money plus a player. Plus, the faith that Rodgers is showing him instead of getting rid of him because of his troubled past mirrors our very own Sir Alex's faith in Eric Cantona. The biggest compliment that Cantona could ever repay to Manchester United was to retire. Perhaps this is history repeating itself, but this time with another club.
There is no way Suarez would retire at Liverpool. I would be a good amount of money on that.
Real are the most likely club that could nab him but not the only one. PSG could also buy him. Outside chance of City getting him too.
Real are the most likely club that could nab him but not the only one. PSG could also buy him. Outside chance of City getting him too.
Realistically speaking, only PSG and City could take him without getting into too much debt. I cannot see Real raising those sort of funds either to be honest. So, yes, City or PSG should he want to leave.
That's because the team is built around Messi. The team didn't look for Villa/Ibrahimovic; they look for Messi. And when Villa/Ibrahimovic are in possession of the ball, they look for Messi.
Not related to your reply... Comparing Suarez's numbers to Ronaldo's is disingenuous.
OK the goalscoring was slightly better at Madrid. He was twice the player at Lyon. Much better because he was the main man and all the responsibilities. Benzema of Lyon was far more impressive than the one who's been playing Real Madrid.