It is a serious question and to be honest, it is something that has crossed my mind too. He is the enfant terrible of Liverpool. He has come to the premier league with previous for being aggressive like Cantona and they both served bans. Both their managers stood by them in their lowest moment and gave them the captaincy. This inspired Cantona then and it is inspiring Suarez at the moment. Rodgers has done a Sir Alex and it could possibly be a turning point for the dippers.
What is Luis Suarez worth?
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It is a serious question and to be honest, it is something that has crossed my mind too. He is the enfant terrible of Liverpool. He has come to the premier league with previous for being aggressive like Cantona and they both served bans. Both their managers stood by them in their lowest moment and gave them the captaincy. This inspired Cantona then and it is inspiring Suarez at the moment. Rodgers has done a Sir Alex and it could possibly be a turning point for the dippers.
Errm it is hardly a Nostradamus prediction that Ronaldo would have continued to rip the league if he had stayed. 2008/9 he was returning from injury anyway. It is not as if he had started declining, in any case I should know better than discuss Ronaldo with you objectively.
Henry arrived in PL as a 23yr old. Ronaldo left the PL as a 24 yr old.
It's not that outrageous to say that had Ronaldo stayed in the PL for more seasons, he'd have broken all the records.
It's not that outrageous to say that had Ronaldo stayed in the PL for more seasons, he'd have broken all the records.
I preferred the Gallic flair of Henry. His 226 goals and 92 assists which meant he had a hand in 318 Arsenals goals in 369 matches just speaks volumes about Thierry Henry. A brilliant player.
How does that take away from him? Not his fault his club isn't good enough to play in europe, we'll see next season how he does there if they get there.
I suppose you think he would have regressed and been a completely different player to the one we see now, who scores goals for fun?
Unfortunately the similarities are there. But more than Suarez, Pool would need the likes of Sterling, Henderson to come good. And then add 2-3 players on top of that.
That's the difference isn't it, you think his form won't hold, I think he's gone up a level. He's doing too easily for it to be just some form he's having. He's improved season upon season since being at 'pool and this is his next level. A level I think makes him the BPITW. Ronaldo is playing well but not better than suarez IMO.
Talk about getting carried away. Rooney scored 11 in the first 8 games of 11/12 and there was nothing out of this world about that. Suarez at the moment is playing better than Rooney ever has, but it's basically the same situation - he's just on an exceptional run of form for an excellent player in a team flowing with confidence. Ronaldo's scored 33 goals since September alone - in 22 games.
I think Arsene should be regretting that he didn't bid around 60m for Suarez. It was a golden opportunity to get him, I think right now there's no chance of him joining Arsenal.
Dare you to name a player with better league form atm anywhere in the world.
Absolutely. Henry caused us massive problems whenever we played Arsenal. However, I can't recall Ronaldo ever being that outstanding when up against Liverpool. We lost 3-0 to United at Old Trafford a few years ago when Mascherano was sent off, & Ronaldo scored late on in that match if I remember rightly. But other than that, I don't think he ever scored another goal against us from open play. I suppose it could be argued that CR was only a young lad & yet to hit his peak when he played for United, whereas the world saw the best of Thierry Henry during his Premiership years - Anyhow, I'm not arsed with all this bickering about who's the best in the world. I'm just happy with how things are going for my club at the moment
"Form" is the key word though.
Absolutely. Henry caused us massive problems whenever we played Arsenal. However, I can't recall Ronaldo ever being that outstanding when up against Liverpool. We lost 3-0 to United at Old Trafford a few years ago when Mascherano was sent off, & Ronaldo scored late on in that match if I remember rightly. But other than that, I don't think he ever scored another goal against us from open play. I suppose it could be argued that CR was only a young lad & yet to hit his peak when he played for United, whereas the world saw the best of Thierry Henry during his Premiership years - Anyhow, I'm not arsed with all this bickering about who's the best in the world. I'm just happy with how things are going for my club at the moment
Don't get me wrong, Henry was a wonderful player. But how you can compare a player in his peak to a player learning his trade is beyond me. Do you think if Ronaldo was in the PL right now his statistics wouldn't be as good as Henry's? It's not clear they would but it'd take a bold man to say they wouldn't.
The similarities are quite scary actually. In fact I've often thought there's quite a spooky symmetry between our 2 clubs in terms of achievements, history etc. England captain Bryan Robson carried United for years, & more often than not was your match saver. Yet for all his heroics in a Manchester United shirt, he only received a title-winning medal when he was nothing more than a bit part player. England captain Steven Gerrard has carried Liverpool for years..........To be continued.
£40M + £1 was fecking stupid really, especially when they pay more than that for an inferior player in Ozil and when you consider that Liverpool are currently their biggest title rivals!
It's quite possible that Gerard will finally get a league medal in the twilight of his career like Robson. I'll miss all those jokes about Buttner and Bebe having more titles that him.
There's a certain greesy haired Portugeezer who used to play for us who's doing quite well (for about the past 7 seasons).
He was asking at the moment and not over the last few years, his career with Real Madrid moreso than his career with us. One other thing, Ronaldo is scoring a goal every 77 minutes in la liga, Suarez is scoring every 61 minutes in the Premier league. If we were to add assists, then Ronaldo would be at a goal/assist every 61 minutes and Suarez goes down to an incredible goal/assist every 46 minutes.
I was speaking to a lad at the game today who said Suarez had demanded a buy out clause be added to his new contract.That fee would be £50 million! I can't imagine that be true, is it?
Ronaldo: 15 games, 17 goals(5 pens) 6 assists
Suarez: 12 games, 19 goals(0 pens) 9 assists
I'll let you decide who's been better.
Let me state it more clearly: I think his form and present class is in the same echelon as Ronaldo.
And if he keeps it up and Ronaldo keeps up his form to the end of season, I think Suarez will come out having had a better season. I think that's a decent claim to be BPITW
He'd have to do it a lot longer, and probably boss a world cup too, to leave a legacy in the same echelon as Ronaldo.
Messi is a bit neither-here-nor-there atm. Wait and see till he gets back I guess, but he will obviously leave a legacy superior to both.
Fixed it for you RL. The stats are from whoscored.
Here are some more:
Ronaldo 1,314 minutes played, 15 games and 17 goals scored (5 pens), 4 assist. Goal every 77.3 minutes, goal and assist every 62.6 minutes.
Suarez 1,169 minutes played, 12 games and 19 goals scored (0 pens), 5 assists. Goal every 61.5 minutes, goal and assist every 48.7 minutes.
No, they were bloody brilliant. I'm just saying that the fact goals are scored in the CL doesn't make them automatically better or worthier.
I doubt it would have mattered to be honest, Suarez to Arsenal was always a non-starter. If Suarez was going to be sold it was out of England.
Let us see first how Suarez performs vs City and Chelsea and then argue where he stands in comparison with Ronaldo and Messi. It's all rather hypothetical at the moment. If he fails to score in those games, the comparisons with Ronaldo and Messi will be regarded as premature, maybe even stupid.
If he had gone to Real Madrid in the summer, they'd be flying and he would already been on 20 goals for the season. He would have a field day over there.
He scored 1 goal in 12 appearances against Chelsea. Messi hasn't scored against Chelsea either...
Sterling and Henderson in particular are improving dramatically, neither will be world beater but both can be good enough, you don't need 11 world class players to win a league, you need a couple of superstars and everyone else doing their job.
Is that true? I always thought Rodgers came out at one point and said that you have a valuation of the player and that Arsenal failed to meet it.
How many games would he have got for Madrid though in irder to score those 20 goals? They have a lot of top players to accommodate.
John Henry basically said he was never going to be sold to Arsenal and they were wasting their time even trying for him.
He scored 1 goal in 12 appearances against Chelsea. Messi hasn't scored against Chelsea either...
Their record in the CL speaks for itself. Most of Suarez' goals this season have come vs Norich, Wham, Cardiff and the likes. Let us see first how he performs against the title contenders. He wasn't particularly brilliant against Arssenal at the Emirates.
Can anyone post a list of threads where Proud Lyon doesn't belittle Ronaldo's performances?
I came to see how the rodent did for the dippers after I saw the result. Sadly, there's another rodent here running riot at the moment.
I came to see how the rodent did for the dippers after I saw the result. Sadly, there's another rodent here running riot at the moment.
Fair enough but I just can't imagine him, Ronaldo and Bale plying seamlessly in the same team.
Off-topic, I can see why you voted me for the agenda award, but you can also see why I voted you for creepiest poster...*shivers at the thought of Vato being one of those people who lurk around street corners waiting to rob a poor old lady.*
Furthermore, though I shouldn't actually be replying to someone who has the intellect of a boiled potatoe. I would just like to say that I was backing up RooneyLegends argument about who is the best at the moment.
The only teams Suarez has played against this season and not scored against are Newcastle, Arsenal and Hull, the last two Liverpool as a team were diabolical and he got 2 assists against Newcastle. Suarez can only score against who is in front of him. Also, if it's so easy to score against Norwich, West Ham, Cardiff and the likes then why isn't everyone scoring similar tallies against them?
If you have a problem with that, then pm me,because I wasn't ridiculising your boy. Just comparing statistics.
It's a bit pointless to say this without taking into account the possible trophies won by Liverpool and Real Madrid or just how far into the CL Ronaldo will go ? We can't just extrapolate current form and make hypothesis on it because there are hundreds of things in play.
For instance, if Suarez keeps scoring as he is but Liverpool finishes 3rd or 4th, Ronaldo keeps scoring and Real Madrid wins a trophy. Who would have had a better season then ? Who would have had a more telling contribution to his team ? All I'm saying is that the conjectures that you and your fellow Liverpool supporters are making at this point of the season is premature.