We are comparing Suarez to the best forwards in the game, not to everyone. Pointless remark really...
What is Luis Suarez worth?
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We are comparing Suarez to the best forwards in the game, not to everyone. Pointless remark really...
You never know. From the Real Madrid perspective, it would be a frightening front line that no team would like to face to be honest. Suarez is the sort of player who is good at dribbling and able to feed Ronaldo the ball. Suarez is brilliant in the box as he is a bit of a combatant, which is currently on view. This inspires other players to do better so, if he went to Real Madrid, they might do better than present.
Fair enough but it's also a pointless remark to say Suarez can only score against certain sides when he has scored against 9/12 of the sides he has faced so far.
Well no, he's neither matching nor bettering that sort of form. The math isn't difficult. He scored 7 more goals in 2 more games. The thing with Messi and Ronaldo is they've had runs of form like this over and over again, whereas other top players have done it once and then came back to their "normal" world class level. I'm not sure people would instantly assume he's now become in that bracket where he's just consistently at that level? Can only be the usual PL hypemachine in full force.
The thing is I'm not even sure he's playing any better than Forlan was in 08/09 (32 goals and 10 assists in 32 La Liga starts), but I don't remember anyone suggesting he was one of the best in the world at that point...
Honestly, the Suárez love-in is really surprising to me. Last year he was amongst the best attacking players in the league - not remotely a level above Bale or Van Persie - and now he's been in exceptional form for a whole 12 games, he's this superhuman footballer.
Personally, I haven't said it. On the contrary, I have praised Suarez a lot, IMO, he is capable of scoring against the best sides.
That's very wrong then. Forlan was absolutely amazing back then, including the world cup.
Hyperbole. You're quickly morphing into GlastonSpur on this forum. You may actually be him.
Admittedly, he is a bit of a homer with his goals, but for a side to be great (hopefully not), they need to have an air of invincibility, and Suarez is giving them that at the moment. They are currently like Manchester City at the moment in both senses.
Your earlier post has to be rendered pointless then as you said this season Suarez has mostly scored against the weaker sides, but you haven't taken into account that these are the teams Liverpool has played since his ban, he can't score against teams unless he plays them.
No, I stated facts and suggested that it is a bit early to draw comparisons with Ronaldo and Messi for they are consistently great against the great teams as well and Suarez hasn't done anything of notice against the top English sides so far, e.g. at Old Trafford in the League Cup and against Arsenal at the Emirates. Maybe he will be different vs City and Chelsea, maybe not...
Much better competition than Norwich, Cardiff, and West Ham.
Who's been better since then?
He finished 19th in the Ballon d'Or rankings (with around 35x less votes than Ronaldo) after that season and the general opinion on here wasn't too far away from that, from what I remember. He'd already established himself as a top class goalscorer at Villareal but no-one was talking about him in the Messi/Ronaldo bracket. It's only that performance on the big stage that got him some attention, and even then I sincerely doubt anyone was talking about him as being in that class at any point in his career.
What people are saying about Suárez is something else entirely seeing as he's only really shown this exceptional form in the Premier League.
Up until the Spurs game last week, our away performances have left a lot to be desired. We saw how destructive Suarez can be when he's well supported by his team-mates. Something that hasn't happened too much this season when we're not playing at Anfield. If that can become the norm rather than the exception, then I think we'll see the best of Luis Suarez be it home or away.
He will have his chance to prove his critics wrong next week.
Yep, but it's not as if Suarez only scores against them. Putting so many past those, however, is still not a small thing.
Find out how many penalties messi scored in that period and do the math again, you'll find out that Suarez either matches or betters it. I remember that season well, for the first half of the season ronaldo was scoring pens almost on a weekly basis, and in the second half barca started getting pens at a rapid rate.
I fully understand your point hence I said that the difference between our views is that you think this is just abnormal form(which he'll go back to what you claim to be his normal for, I'm guessing like last season?) and I think its a new level he's reached in his game. Only the future will truly tell us which one it is.
If you can't see the difference between his level and the level that Forlan was in those days then there's very little I can say. Forlan was a great player at the time but even then Aguero look quite clearly the more special of the two, despite not being on his level in terms of end product.
He does that a lot, hence the tagline.
If he leaves in the summer then I agree Rooney won't go for above £40m, despite the season he has had. Given his age, wage demands, length left on of his contract £40m would be the absolute top end we could sell for. Van Persie left at the same age after an equally great season for £24m.
40-45 million
Why? A goal is a goal. Tap in, penalty or a thirty yard screamer. It doesn't matter.
To me it does. I'm a firm believer in Pele's statement that a penalty is the most cowardly way to score. It's a still ball 1 on 1 with a keeper without any interference from defenders, that most of the time the player taking it didn't earn.
It's the argument that's constantly used when comparing Gerrard, Lampard and Scholes. When it benefits a Liverpool player you don't like to use it?
Is it? I've never used that argument. If anything it benefits Lampard's stats more than Gerrard and he's clearly inferior to the two others more goals or not.
Bit rich that coming from Pele innit? A penalty in a professional match is such a cowardly way to score. Make sure you mark up those 4 goals I got in that pub match against the disabled soldiers, mind, need to break 1000 goals!
If you want to tally up the penalties, feel free. I can't be arsed with that but I somehow doubt it'll make a huge difference - 20+ of those will have been from open play. That's not really the point anyway. The point is this has been done before by Messi and Ronaldo multiple times before, yet Suarez does it once and he's suddenly better than them both? That's mental. Messi scored 10 goals in 4 games in 09/10. 15 in 9 in one period in the first half of 10/11. 26 in 14 in the second half of 11/12. 24 in 15 in 12/13. And let's not go down the absurd route of suggesting Suarez somehow contributes more in overall play.
I'm not so sure you watched Forlan then. He did everything Suarez is doing now. Ridiculous array of strikes, crucial matchwinning contributions at key moments, central to the team's play, great all round contribution...and all of this on a regular basis. 12 goals in his last 8 games. 3 goals in 2 games v Madrid and Barca in the space of 7 days as they got 4 points from those two games with Forlan crucial in both results too - he was a big game player. The World Cup was obviously further testament to that. And yet here you are saying Suarez is levels above that...sorry, you've either lost the plot or don't really know that you're talking about.
Have you guys reached a valuation then?
This thread has been the pick of the caf since he mullered Norwich and we started losing ridiculous games. Fickle as feck.
This thread has been the pick of the caf since he mullered Norwich and we started losing ridiculous games. Fickle as feck.
50 million and see if anyone bites
At the moment Suarez but I would rather have Aguero in my squad.
Striker is easy Aguero.
I genuinely hope Perez is thinking the same thing. I'd rather have Aguero than Suarez right now, don't care if he'd be the best striker out there, I don't want him near Madrid no matter what.
Just seen some tweets on an LFC forum (Barrett was it?) that his release clause is way above Bale's and that's only to a non-English club. Its a no deal to any English club. Probably 100m+ but no idea if CL qualification (or lack of) is relevant to enabling that clause.
Now if only Arsenal paid £60m, we would probably have sold. Arsenal would have walked the league and then either kept him or made a £40m profit. For all their financial intelligence that Arsenal board sure could learn common sense from FSG.
Now if only Arsenal paid £60m, we would probably have sold. Arsenal would have walked the league and then either kept him or made a £40m profit. For all their financial intelligence that Arsenal board sure could learn common sense from FSG.
And I pray your vociferous support let Perez know this, please, please, please!!!!
You would be well rid and let him tarnish another clubs reputation whilst supporting his bitey racist cuntery.
Massive shame for him he's a cnut, it's like he's self karmering.
Agreed gasmanc. Vato, get letter writing now. You can use gasmanc as your educated ghostwriter if needs be.
We'll give you Torres back and you can keep Moses as well.
With Aguero being ex atletico im hoping Barca go for him and Madrid go for Suarez :P
Aren't Barca in need of a good striker aswell? He'd fit in like a glove.
I forgot all about Moses. You'd only buy Suarez and loan him out to Southampton. Such a waste.
