What is Luis Suarez worth?
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Can't believe some are still in denial. The lad is the best in the world. 19 goals in 12 games with no penalty is out of this world. Add his assists and he's taking this productivity thing to the next level. Then understand that he isn't playing for the best team with the most control of games then it becomes clear to all that he's indeed the best.
He's playing for the team who are top of the Premier League. You can say that they wouldn't be there if it wasn't for him (just like we wouldn't without RVP or Arsenal without Ramsey etc.), but in reality he's absolutely battering shit teams. Sunderland, Norwich, Cardiff, West Brom etc. don't represent stern opposition. Arsenal, United, City and Chelsea do. Let's wait until the end of the season to see how many goals he's scored against those sides before claiming he's the best player in the world (which is an absolutely laughable claim; two Spanish-based footballers would have something to say about that).
He's got City and Chelsea soon. That'll be a test of where he's at.
Definitely will. There's no chance he doesn't score in 7 games and he willt score multiple goals in the a game.
How about Everton? Spurs? You conveniently leave those games out.
Everton, you could probably have as they were doing well at the time. Spurs were a beaten side before they stepped on the field. Yes, you played them off the park and Suarez was excellent, but they went down to ten men, and they played like they had eight. I'm trying to hold my tongue until after City/Chelsea games.
He rapes bottom clubs far too badly to not make up for the games he doesnt score in.
You just have to look at who his teammates are and you'll see that they aren't the best going around. Since when is Tottenham a shit team? He's also played really well versus Everton. As a matter of fact the only poor game he's had this season is versus arsenal and in that game liverpool were totally dominated.
That's where the argument about the next two games falls flat. I'll say this, if Liverpool's other players hold their own vs those teams he'll give their defences a good working out.
Its a laughable claim why? Neither of those two lads are putting up the number he is. Forget that, none of them are performing at the level he is. Cristiano himself has been pretty poor vs big teams (atl madrid and barca) and don't here anyone contesting his season on that basis.
What's the point in arguing now? Let's just wait to see how he performs against City and Chelsea
Messi and Ronaldo are both playing in Europe. Suarez doesn't have any of that. I didn't say that Tottenham are a shit team but they were absolutely rotten that game. It looked as though some of those players wanted AVB sacked. Little desire.
This.
Talk about getting carried away. Rooney scored 11 in the first 8 games of 11/12 and there was nothing out of this world about that. Suarez at the moment is playing better than Rooney ever has, but it's basically the same situation - he's just on an exceptional run of form for an excellent player in a team flowing with confidence. Ronaldo's scored 33 goals since September alone - in 22 games.
And then there's this other chap called messi who was owned the best teams consistently for years and thought of as one of the greatest ever.
All of you saying 'Please see X and Y doing it for years' - do tell: Were you downplaying Ronaldo the same way when began to make his mark as one of the best in the world too?
And what are your stated opinions, if any, on how easy it is to score in la liga vs the prem?
And what are your stated opinions, if any, on how easy it is to score in la liga vs the prem?
It's too much to say he's best in the world right now. Even though his record so far has been the sort you'd expect of Messi or Ronaldo, Suarez has to it for a sustained period of time before he can be considered. He's undoubtedly the best in the league at the moment though.
Between February and April 2012 Messi scored 26 goals in 14 games - that's out of this world. But then you get the impression this bloke wasn't watching football at this point if he's now completely amazed by Suárez's form.
When Suárez goes to La Liga I don't think he'll find it any easier to score than he does now. To be honest I think with his dribbling style he probably prefers playing against the more cumbersome centre backs in England. He's obviously a world class player but come on, they have been doing otherwordly things for years. Suárez is doing what many players have done before in the past over a short period of time.
I do agree it is all a bit too soon to pronounce him up there. But it's half a season soon enough. A season is generally enough to vote a World Player of the year. It's not ridiculous to make the comparison on current form. I think he's better than Ronaldo right now, despite Ronaldo's second half of 2013 being of the sort that people are wondering if maybe Messi shouldn't win his customary Ballon D'or.
Messi fit and in form obviously pisses all over both of them.
Not even close to be as good as Messi. The only thing he has over Messi is aggressiveness. He is incredibly tenacious and hungry.
What is this better right now business? If someone scores 5 goals this weekend, does he becomes better than Suarez in the league right then ?
I'd definitely agree that if he were to keep this up for the rest of the season then he could be considered as one of the world's best. In fact, I'd argue that many see him up there among the world's best right now, but behind Messi and Ronaldo which is fairly reasonable considering the latter two are going to go down among the greatest players of all-time.
We need to seem him in the CL to judge him properly.
I honestly don't recall many players doing what he's doing over half a season, in the manner he's doing it.
And yeah, they've been doing it for years. Suarez was one of the three outstanding players in the league last year too, basically only the ban stopped him from being topscorer and Bale's britishness on top meant he was never going to player of the year.
But how many years do you need to be doing it before it counts? I think a year will do. certainly less did it for Fat Ronaldo. Arguably for Ronaldinho too. How long they've been doing it says more about a player's legacy than about who is presently the best in the world.
I think if you ask the question "Who would you feel most confident playing for your side in the world cup with in the summer" is perhaps a decent measure.
Outscoring and out-assisting him for a much inferior side. And I'd argue doing it in grander style too.
As good as he has been, he's not a patch on either Ronaldo or Messi. He's in his prime now as well, so it's not like when Ronaldo was pissing on the league at the age of 21 or 22 and scored 42 goals as a winger. That was unheard of at the time. Suarez has been in unbelievable form, but it's the type of form that Ronaldo and Messi have shown since Ronaldo went to Madrid. I mean Ronaldo hasn't scored less then 50 goals in a season since his first season at Madrid, where he scored 33 in 35 because he was out for a while with injury.
To be fair Ronaldo and Messi have taken consistency to a different level. Likes of Zidane, Figo, Ronaldinhio at their pomp were never that consistent and were never that closely scrutinized for it as well. No one is saying Suarez is not putting in a WC show right now. I said that he is on course to be the third best player to grace the PL era after Henry and Ronaldo. But he will have to match the consistency of the top two if he wants to enter that conversation.
If he wasn't seen as a cnut of the highest order, the world would be in awe of him. As of now only Liverpool fans and Skysports give him the god-like treatment.
No doubt he does it in a more grander style, but Ronaldo has 9 goals in 5 CL matches(which is the premier competition in the world). I don't think you can discard that.
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He'll need another season on this level before he can have the PL conversation. But I don't think that's the same conversation as how good he is right now compared to he peers.
Only if you look at league games. You can't exactly discount the champions league though, can you?
The right now stuff does not really mean that much. 3 years back when Nani was on fire, he was probably the best winger in the world at that point, but how does it matter now if he has not been able to replicate it since. Another casualty of Messi/Ronaldo are the players who do not clock up crazy stats. People refuse to give credit to likes of Ribery for this very reason.
My point is, it sure as hell mattered back then how good Nani was. Deserved more accolades than he got from it at the time as well.
Probably about 10M more than Wayne Rooney, but not much more.
He's worth at least two Rooneys.
I know this is the most excited you've been in 20 years, but he really isn't.
He's worth at least ten Gerrards though, top top player.
Easily the best player in the league. However he isn't in the same league as Ronaldo and Messi. He's the tier below. They've been scoring insane stats for three years now. You can't compare the stats of a six month spell, in which Suarez is in the form of his life. I'm sure if you took ronaldo and messi's best six months it would be a fair bit ahead of Suarez's.
Ok, if you put Rooney in the market you'd be looking at what, £30-40m tops. Suarez would go for £100m.