Mate, you can dress it up however you want, but Suarez will always be a racist, biting, victim-card-playing prick. Compare him to whoever you want if it'll make you feel better, I no longer give a shit.
What is Luis Suarez worth?
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I haven't dressed anything up mate. Just stated a few facts. Enjoy xmas!! Hope the farmer doesn't fancy a change from Turkey this year!
Kung-fu kicking somebody is wrong, as is any sort of violent assault. But biting somebody is just fecking mental. Shows a total lack of understanding of societal norms. Proper unhinged.
Kung Fu kicking someone is a lot more mental than biting someone.
That's not really true though, is it? A kick or a punch is a natural reaction - it's instinctive when angry. Biting someone is just bizarre. It's not instinctive.
Not for humans, anyway. Remind me never to go on a night out with Barney!
Kung Fu kicking is certainly not instinctive. If someone did something you don't like are you telling me your instinct would be to karate kick them with boots on?
Aye, karate kicking someone is so much better.
Seriously, while you're successfully diverting the thread from what a savage Suarez is, you're really not doing your own image any favours. If you genuinely don't know the difference between kicking and biting, that's seriously worrying, dude! This is something that they make sure the kids at my son's nursery understand by the age of three.
The fact that he did it twice makes it worse.
In no way is biting worse than a karate kick with football boots on. A normal kick, fair enough, but a karate kick? I don't care about my "image." They make sure that kids don't bite, yes, but they also make sure they don't karate kick someone's chest.
The karate kick is much worse in a sense of the pain inflicted while the biting is just weird. Both despicable acts in all honesty
Biting is a lower standard of nasty, that's plainly obvious.
Bang on.
Yeah getting a boot to the chest will hurt more but biting someone is just disgusting.
Why do people find it necessary to compete in an argument about the severity of the acts?
Some of the defence of Cantona is frankly weird. It was appalling.
Some of the defence of Cantona is frankly weird. It was appalling.
Kung Fu kicking is instinctive. You could watch 100s of random videos of fighting on YouTube and you will see plenty of kicking. You'll find very few where someone bites someone else.
It's not about what's worse - but it's interesting psychologically. Where did Suarez pick up the idea to bite people? What was his intention? I think it's safe to say that his brain functions a bit differently (the same could be said of Cantona)
Biting is a childlike action, and it grows out of the majority of humans as they age. Kicking and punching are both natural aggressive and reactive actions.
There is no comparison in these acts.
The only sound comparison to be made, I suppose, is it worse to attack a fan or opponent. Cantona's act was reactive and irrational. Suarez's biting was intentional and irrational. I don't see how one is worse than the other either. In the real world, i.e. a bar setting, whatever, I can expect to see someone kick another person, but biting would be very bizarre.
There is no comparison in these acts.
The only sound comparison to be made, I suppose, is it worse to attack a fan or opponent. Cantona's act was reactive and irrational. Suarez's biting was intentional and irrational. I don't see how one is worse than the other either. In the real world, i.e. a bar setting, whatever, I can expect to see someone kick another person, but biting would be very bizarre.
Biting is a lot more vicious than kicking someone, and usually has more potential to do serious damage. Suarez' bites weren't that bad, to be fair, and Cantona's kick was probably more likely to hurt someone badly. Biting is a lot more bizarre though, who the hell bites someone? The only time I've seen an adult bite another adult was in a ridiculously vicious street fight. To do it with such little provocation is just weird.
Both were bad though, one doesn't justify the other. The real difference is that Suarez did his nasty act twice.
Both were bad though, one doesn't justify the other. The real difference is that Suarez did his nasty act twice.
You can't justify either more than the other in the environment they both took place in.
You could definitely say that biting is weirder than kung-fu kicking someone though, but Suarez evidently thought he would be able to get away with it more than elbowing Ivanovic instead. It reminded me of when you're fighting with your siblings as children and you'd do anything to get them off of you.
You could definitely say that biting is weirder than kung-fu kicking someone though, but Suarez evidently thought he would be able to get away with it more than elbowing Ivanovic instead. It reminded me of when you're fighting with your siblings as children and you'd do anything to get them off of you.
So, getting back to the OP, the question has become: how much should the fact that he is an absolute c*#t detract from his value given that he is, currently, the best player in the world. As we all know, form is temporary, class is permanent - so is his current level of performance based on class or form? If the former, you have to be looking at 100m+; if not, perhaps not so much.
He's quality don't get me wrong, but ripping apart mediocre Premier League opposition doesn't make him the best player in the world.
Not to scousers, it seems.
Biting is similar to spitting (but worse obviously). Spitting doesn't hurt at all, but is dispicably low. In fact, biting manages to combine all the worst of spitting and punching / kicking.
Nobody's defending Cantona - as discussed, if there's any compairson to be made about the reaction, compare United immediately banning Cantona to Liverpool players wearing T-Shirts for Suarez. I think we can all acknowledge that Liverpool and paritcularly the KK regime had a massive problem with accepting responsibility.
But that doesn't mean we can't try and point out how derranged and low biting people is.
Jesus, stop calling him the best in the world ffs. Maybe most in form player in the world. He has nothing on the likes of Ronaldo and Messi who destroy weak la liga teams every week and other quality teams too AND do it consistently year in year out not just week in week out.
People talk past each other here because it compares different things. Morally, Cantona's act was far worse. Clear intent was followed up with an action much more likely to cause griveous injury.
Psychologically, Suarez' was obviously more infantile - and suggests he just goes into autopilot mode on the pitch. It's plain weird. Still, I'd call Cantona's worse in the sense that he obviously wanted to injure that fan and acted fully consciously on such a harmful intent. I think Suarez was basically acting out, without control of his impulses.
Psychologically, Suarez' was obviously more infantile - and suggests he just goes into autopilot mode on the pitch. It's plain weird. Still, I'd call Cantona's worse in the sense that he obviously wanted to injure that fan and acted fully consciously on such a harmful intent. I think Suarez was basically acting out, without control of his impulses.
Was Cantona basically a completely disgusting person on the pitch and a horrible cheat?! If not, why are people comparing these two incidents?
Suarez is not hated because of one incident. It's everything. The diving, the cheating, the racism, everything.
Suarez is not hated because of one incident. It's everything. The diving, the cheating, the racism, everything.
Even though Suarez past antics shouldn't be forgotten. From what I have seen of him this season he seems to have cut out a lot of the crap. Is that a fair assessment? Haven't seen him roll around ridiculously or in particular claim for throw-ins/freekicks furiously by slapping his arm.
Ronaldo & Messi are consistently surrounded by world class players year in year out. Don't you think that might help just a tad ?
There's no hard and fast rule either way.
As good as Rvp was for us last season he was probably even better for Arsenal before that despite us being a better team quite comfortably.
Fellaini looks so much worse for us than he did for Everton. Shouldn't he suddenly be twice the player he was for Everton?
Messi and Ronaldo have just been other wordly for ages. The likes of Ibrahimovic, Iniesta and co. have been compared to them often but it's never really been merited. And those guys performed for a longer period than Suarez. So the comparison is silly.
Arsenal play a style of football which gets RVP more chances than our system does. I agree all this talk of BPITW right now makes little sense it was Ronaldo 2 weeks ago, what has changed. Fans just have a what have you done for me recently attitude. Suarez has played Norwich, West Ham and Spur. He is yet to put in a TOP performance against a good team, since he got here.
To be fair it was myself and Gooose that were diverting the thread from the topic of what is Suarez worth. I wont claim to understand why someone bites two people when playing football or makes racist comments and then lies about it but I found it strange that Goose would defend Cantona for his assaults too but instead he defended them and said Cantona took it like a man which smacks of double standards. For me both have assaulted people and both seem to be a little unhinged and both seem to be quite talented footballers. There is no topic about how much a savage Suarez is last I checked....
Amol understand that I'm not defending Suarez in any way but Cantona was a lunatic on the pitch at times. Check out the video here
Shows some of his brilliance and some absolute assaults of fellow pros on the pitch. He comes across as a disgusting individual in some of those tackles.
I don't think it does, though to be fair, the contrasting way the two events were dealt with is more to do with the rest of the people at the club than the individuals. There was some kind of insane collective paranoia running out-of-control at Anfield under KKK.
I'm not just speaking about two events though. Both these players have rap sheets as long as your arm. Granted the racist incident strikes higher on a scale of c*ntishness but both have had about equal the number of assaults on fellow pros.
Two big games for them next week, If he can do it against City and Chelsea then the comparisons to Ronaldo and Messi will be warranted. That's when you start talking about transfer records being broken.
He has signed a new long term deal with Liverpool, probably a nice pay bump and I'd guess there is a watertight clause in there. Probably can't be activated until after a certain time though.
A feck of a lot more now anyway.
I never understand why some clubs use 'long term deal' rather than say how many years. Something to hide?
£80m.