What is Luis Suarez worth?

retardman5 said:
55 goals in 88 league games for Liverpool. 5 goals in 6 FA Cup games. 4 goals in 6 League Cup matches. 4 goals in 8 European games.

All this achieved in a side that's not got anywhere close to qualifying for the CL. Imagine what sort of purple patch he'd have at somewhere like Real Madrid or Barcelona. Scary thought isn't it ?
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I would imagine his goal numbers would drop with the likes of Messi and Neymar or Ronaldo and Bale taking more shots and creating their own scoring chances than his Liverpool counterparts.

Ruud's first three seasons at United: 68 goals in 98 league matches, 12 goals in 9 FAC matches, 28 goals in 32 CL matches, 1 goal in 4 LC matches; total: 109 goals in 143 matches. Let's see if Suarez matches that mark.
 
MrMarcello said:
I would imagine his goal numbers would drop with the likes of Messi and Neymar or Ronaldo and Bale taking more shots and creating their own scoring chances than his Liverpool counterparts.

Ruud's first three seasons at United: 68 goals in 98 league matches, 12 goals in 9 FAC matches, 28 goals in 32 CL matches, 1 goal in 4 LC matches; total: 109 goals in 143 matches. Let's see if Suarez matches that mark.
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I agree that Suarez won't be able to score more goals at Barca and Madrid, IF he plays alongside Messi and Ronaldo respectively. And he won't be able to match Ruud's numbers from the latter's first three seasons at United either. But one should take into account that Suarez, unlike RVN, doesn't take penalties and is far more creative.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Sucking up to the fans again. He's such a slimeball. Fantastic player but definite slimeball.
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I think he believes what he says.

I just don't expect him to not change his mind on a whim again in January and June both.

That said, if we stay close to the top at the end of the season I think he will stay. And there is a good chance of it anyway if we make top 4.
 
If someone like Madrid came for him in January I think he'd snap their hand off to get the move. Even if Liverpool he into the CL, which I still have doubts about, I still think he'd want to jump ship. Big difference between being one of the weaker qualifiers from one of the top leagues and being one of the favorites.

The record above is fantastic, but the 17 goals in 11 league games this season is crazy stuff. He could absolutely fly in a top side.
 
MrMarcello said:
I would imagine his goal numbers would drop with the likes of Messi and Neymar or Ronaldo and Bale taking more shots and creating their own scoring chances than his Liverpool counterparts.

Ruud's first three seasons at United: 68 goals in 98 league matches, 12 goals in 9 FAC matches, 28 goals in 32 CL matches, 1 goal in 4 LC matches; total: 109 goals in 143 matches. Let's see if Suarez matches that mark.
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Add the number of assists to his goals, & I reckon you'll find that Suarez is far more productive than RVN ever was for United. Besides, didn't you just win one league title in 5 years with the Dutchman fronting your attack ? In the past 20 years that must have been your most barren period in terms of winning titles. Let's not forget that Suarez doesn't have the benefit of playing alongside the likes of Giggs, Scholes, et al in their prime.

RVN was a great goalscorer. Suarez is a great player.
 
retardman5 said:
Add the number of assists to his goals, & I reckon you'll find that Suarez is far more productive than RVN ever was for United. Besides, didn't you just win one league title in 5 years with the Dutchman fronting your attack ? In the past 20 years that must have been your most barren period in terms of winning titles. Let's not forget that Suarez doesn't have the benefit of playing alongside the likes of Giggs, Scholes, et al in their prime.

RVN was a great goalscorer. Suarez is a great player.
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Incredibly harsh, let's not forget that RvN was in a side with such great players as Djemba x 2 and Kleberson. He fecking carried us at times with his goals.
 
What's the point of bringing RVN into this conversation? Surely no one thinks he was ever on the level that suarez has been since the beginning of last season.
 
RooneyLegend said:
What's the point of bringing RVN into this conversation? Surely no one thinks he was ever on the level that suarez has been since the beginning of last season.
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They are totally different players, specifically:

retardman5 said:
RVN was a great goalscorer. Suarez is a great player.
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I'd take RVN every time though.

I've got no time for deranged cheating psychotic racists.
 
Cina said:
Incredibly harsh, let's not forget that RvN was in a side with such great players as Djemba x 2 and Kleberson. He fecking carried us at times with his goals.
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Hey, I'm not knocking the lad. His record speaks for itself. But sometimes out & out goalscorers don't always benefit the team as a whole. Jimmy Greaves & Gary Lineker were 2 of the best English strikers of all time, yet they didn't win a shedload of medals. When Everton won the league in 1985 they paid big money for Lineker. He scored something like 40 goals in his one & only season for the blues, yet they won nothing. The following season, after he'd departed for Barcelona, Everton won the title again. It's my opinion that United had a better balance, before, & after, RVN left. That's not taking anything away from his qualities.
 
B20 said:
I think he believes what he says.

I just don't expect him to not change his mind on a whim again in January and June both.

That said, if we stay close to the top at the end of the season I think he will stay. And there is a good chance of it anyway if we make top 4.
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The benefit you have with Suarez is that he seems to be a complete goddamn moron. Him constantly running his mouth when playing for Uruguay and him thinking he had a release clause is a prime example of this. Liverpool should take example of this idiocy and wave pound notes in his face. By the time he makes noises to move again he'll be tied until 2018 with a release clause > £80m.

The only problem for Liverpool is that clubs don't tend to pay their best player nearly triple their next best player, as it will naturally create other problems. Paying Suarez 200k a week firstly risks squad disharmony and secondly limits what Rodgers can spend in the Summer. Even with the new Premier League and International rights contracts that by next year will increase Liverpool's revenues (vs last year) by around £30m, they are already walking a relatively tight line when it comes to what they can spend in the transfer market. Their wage to turnover ratio last year for instance was already at a worrying 64%, a deal like this would be spending the new TV money almost before it had hit their pockets.

Signing Suarez to a 5 year deal of this magnitude would be investing £50m (or an additional £25m), plus I'd imagine a hefty sign on bonus. Although most fans will argue now that they'd prefer the club to get this done than to spend a good amount on new signings in the Summer, I can imagine many a scouser's heart breaking at "the board not backing the manager" when they invest little in the Summer. Particularly if they finish a close 5th and feel that they are just one top signing from the Champions League.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
If Suarez gets 44 goals in a season he can call himself a better striker.
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He's actually on target to do that, sadly - he's got 16 in his 11 league matches. Only a lack of european action and that 5 game ban might see him fall short - Ruud had 52 matches, whereas cnutface will play a maxiumum of 33 to 38.
 
Sir A1ex said:
He's actually on target to do that, sadly - he's got 16 in his 11 league matches. Only a lack of european action and that 5 game ban might see him fall short - Ruud had 52 matches, whereas cnutface will play a maxiumum of 33 to 38.
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17 in 11.
 
Why would Suarez sign when he can get that at his next club anyway? Plus a signing on fee.
 
thegregster said:
Why would Suarez sign when he can get that at his next club anyway? Plus a signing on fee.
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Presumably because he wants the money right now, rather than in 18 months. It happens all the time in Football where players sign big contracts and then want to move shortly afterwards (Modric, Ronaldo are two recent big name examples).
 
Donaldo said:
If Liverpool look to offload him in the summer or if he wants a move, what do you think would be the correct price for Suarez. You would of course take into account his goal tally for a laregly mediocre Liverpool side but also the fact that he's highly unreliable temperamentally.

I'd say he's worth around 25-30 million pounds. Around what Liverpool paid for him, taking into account the factors mentioned above.
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Right now. 50m easily IMO
 
If he can keep this up all year, 60 million. He is AT LEAST as good as Cavani.
 
It depends what you are using as the rule... If you take Bale to be worth the £80 or Carroll to be £50 then Suarez is easily £100m +

Anyway, if CR is worth around £80m, I'd put Suarez at £70, behind Messi and CR, who is BETTER than him? Some as good perhaps, but it's moot essentially as supply and demand dictates the price, not the worth and clubs like City etc have the deepest pockets.
 
Goooose said:
Don't have to. We've got a few at United, as do other teams, but I can't ever recall one of our players ever biting another player.
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Good point, it's not as if he was kung fu kicking a fan in the chest or anything.
 
And look what it got him, 8 months in the slammer. I just wish Fergie and the players wore t-shirts protesting his innocence, it would have been such a classy move.
 
Goooose said:
And look what it got him, 8 months in the slammer. I just wish Fergie and the players wore t-shirts protesting his innocence, it would have been such a classy move.
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Perhaps it would've been cheaper to get Cantona to stamp a slogan on your lads chests? He showed great accuracy when he stamped on the Swindon lad he took offense to.
 
Goooose said:
Do you really think those two are comparable? Suarez has bitten players, that's plural, do you understand how insane that is?
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Eh? We not having a bit of a slagging match and trying to derail a thread on what Suarez is worth?
 
Goooose said:
Do you really think those two are comparable? Suarez has bitten players, that's plural, do you understand how insane that is?
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The most insane part of this is you trying your best to downplay what Cantona did while painting Suarez as the devil incarnate. Both men did wrong and both have paid the price. Suarez has a reputation which only he is to blame for but it is clear for all to see that he is trying to shake that.
 
Goooose said:
I'm not down playing what Cantona did. He accepted his punishment like a man, Suarez on the other hand...
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Aye most men tend to retire after a good few bans in their home league for various assaults and throwing a ball at a ref.....
 
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