I thought you were talking about on form when you said at this moment in time, I get you though. You might as well include RvP too though, who is a superior player to Rooney in my opinion and has been since he was actually able to stay fit for whole seasons.
What is Luis Suarez worth?
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I thought you were talking about on form when you said at this moment in time, I get you though. You might as well include RvP too though, who is a superior player to Rooney in my opinion and has been since he was actually able to stay fit for whole seasons.
3rd Hat trick against Norwich. Probably the only player to score 3 hat tricks against the same team.
Suarez and Aguero have to be the hottest transfer propoerties right now. Wouldn't be surprised if this their last year in England.
Suarez could even move in January seeing as he isn't tied in the Champions League.
Liverpool won't sell Suarez in January for they have a realistic chance to make the top 4 this season. He'll move in the summer transfer window though.
Makes sense for them to wait till the WC. If he shines there then it would add even more value to his price
Knowing him and Real Madrid, they will wrap up the deal before or during, I feel.
He's performing at a ridiculously high level at the minute. If any of the elite clubs are mad enough to buy him, it'll be some fee. I'm thinking around the £60m mark.
I'm glad prices of 60m are still being bandied about. Clearly no one else wants him enough which suits us, and shows Luis that other clubs and fans still doubt him and his behavior.
Just waiting for Arsenal's bold bid of £45m and a pound now.
Just waiting for Arsenal's bold bid of £45m and a pound now.
We valued him at circa £60m in the summer. If he has another great season that value is going up.
Quite incredible how he is performing at the minute... the four goals against Norwich were extraordinary. I especially liked the 3rd goal. He had so much confidence and was so relaxed that he felt like hitting it on the half volley. What a hit it was.
Never thought I could despise a footballer as much as I despised John Terry, but credit where its due Suarez is some talent when he isn't biting people.
Never thought I could despise a footballer as much as I despised John Terry, but credit where its due Suarez is some talent when he isn't biting people.
And it should. This guy is playing on another level. I'm surprised Bayern hasn't moved for him.
I'm sold now, if he stops biting people or racially abusing people he'll take a clean sweep of all the individual awards.
The other day I said Rooney was carrying us, but no one other than Aguero carries the goalscoring burden more than Suarez and he's just had so many games where he's turned up and put the ball in the net. We're missing that element of surprise in our team.
Probably the only decent thing Kenny did in his recent spell.
The other day I said Rooney was carrying us, but no one other than Aguero carries the goalscoring burden more than Suarez and he's just had so many games where he's turned up and put the ball in the net. We're missing that element of surprise in our team.
Probably the only decent thing Kenny did in his recent spell.
Ozil has helped transformed our attacking game, just makes everything tick in our team at the moment. Maybe because he isn't scoring or all his play isn't as flashy people don't realise the influence he has had, he has helped us control games again. Like Liverpool have sometimes experienced when the players behind the striker aren't performing at top level there is only so much the strikers can do. Best way I can explain it is like how Scholes used to run games for you, some opposition fans could never see what the fuss was about. Always looking at Gerrard & Lampard and being like he scores and sets up more so is better. Ignoring they were completely different kind of players. Ozil is obviously different in that he plays much higher up the pitch but he has really taken our attacking play up a level. I don't think any player has made as many passes in the opposition third and he has set up most goals this season as well.
Not just on the pitch but off it as well. Year after year of losing our best players signing a big name like him has given the club and the fans a huge lift.
Suarez would of been a great goal scorer and you can't compare the two players, Ozil has made us a team a lot better whereas Suarez would of made us more clinical but not really improved our general play nearly as much. I think the team aspect was more important but wouldn't mind Suarez as well....
Ramsay has without a doubt been our best player but you can't underestimate the influence Ozil has had on this team and on Ramsey's performances.
Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion. For me it seems a bit like those who would claim Iniesta or Xavi are more important than Messi, as they control the game etc. I don't buy it, I think Suarez's contribution would thoroughly outweigh that of Ozil, and since you have a pretty creative team anyway you would be a lot better off with him.
Not sure if I agree, when RvP was at Arsenal we had a striker of his calibre on our books but scraped Top 4 finishes. When we had Fabregas while we were managing top 4 finishes we were a lot better side when we had a dominant midfield. The midfield is what protects the defence and feeds the attack, most important area on the pitch. Now that we have improved in midfield, which in turn has made us defensively more solid and despite not having a world class striker on the books we have done ok so far.
One of my main points is that your midfield is pretty good anyway, even without Ozil. When you signed Ozil a lot of people were saying it's the right injection of quality but in the last place you need it, I agreed.
To think he was banned for several games at the start of the season and the number of goals he has already, hate him or love him, he's a fantastic and the only truly world class talent Liverpool have.
This isn't true, Sturridge has scored 9 goals. They had the same number of goals until last night, so I think it's unfair to say Suarez carries Liverpool when you look at how the goals are spread among the other teams.
Indeed, that's one of the things I find most impressive about him, the fact that he struck up a great partnership with another striker and it didn't affect his goal tally or the team negatively at all.
He is a bit selfish but his football intelligence makes him a great team player too.
Look at United - a player like Ozil would vastly improve the creativity in midfield and thus set up more chances for the striker(s) to convert (assuming Moyes would play him correctly). How many of Giroud's goals and chances have come directly from and indirectly from Ozil (i.e. Ozil created the movement, and the second or third pass found Giroud)?
Suarez would score goals as well but so does RVP when fit and in form, even Giroud is scoring. Same with Rooney when he gets into his zone; Sturridge was firing on all cylinders until Suarez returned. Top class strikers are a dime a dozen for me, it's world class midfielders that alter a game's tempo that seem more rare.
In dreamland, Wenger would have signed both (or got Benzema and Ozil) and Arsenal would be near unbeatable at the moment. But they're on 34 points from 42 possible, and Suarez missed the first six matches, in which Arsenal started off or 5-0-1, and that opening day match he would have been ineligible so the result can't be altered. Arsenal are 6-1-1 since, and he may/may not have made the difference in the draw at West Brom (which would have been his first match) or loss at United (more likely to have considering current form).
Suarez would score goals as well but so does RVP when fit and in form, even Giroud is scoring. Same with Rooney when he gets into his zone; Sturridge was firing on all cylinders until Suarez returned. Top class strikers are a dime a dozen for me, it's world class midfielders that alter a game's tempo that seem more rare.
In dreamland, Wenger would have signed both (or got Benzema and Ozil) and Arsenal would be near unbeatable at the moment. But they're on 34 points from 42 possible, and Suarez missed the first six matches, in which Arsenal started off or 5-0-1, and that opening day match he would have been ineligible so the result can't be altered. Arsenal are 6-1-1 since, and he may/may not have made the difference in the draw at West Brom (which would have been his first match) or loss at United (more likely to have considering current form).
Our midfield didn't have enough creativity last season and we relied too heavily on Cazorla. Don't agree with Ozil not being required, you'd think after seeing our games this season how much we have improved in attack would be proof of that. I love Cazorla but Ozil is in the very top bracket of creative players. Would be like me saying last season you didn't need RvP as you had Rooney.
Ozil creates goals, but Suarez creates and scores goals, He has been directly involved in 17 goals this season, that is incredible when you think about it in just nine matches. I'm not completely sold on Ozil, he has glimpses of pure magic but a lot of the time he is just average, e.g. against Liverpool he was quite poor. That said you can't really compare the two fairly as they offer different things.
Let's give Ozil more time to settle etc etc ... For a new player, what he's been doing is really impressive.
I agree with this.
It gets quite tiresome discussing Ozil with Arsenal fans, especially if you don't think he's the best thing since sliced bread.
It'll be interesting by the end of the season to see if his scoring record can be Messi/Ronaldo type.
I think those types of tallys are much more difficult to achieve in the Premier League because there are a lot more 'Norwichs' in La Liga than in the Premier league.
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No need to get your nickers in a twist if you don't agree with other opinions.
Not really, I'm just discussing my opinion and backing up what I believe. How much of Arsenal have you seen to say Ozil is average a lot of the time? I'll admit he has not hit top form yet but to say he has been average most of the time is a bit of a sweeping statement.
The best 4 goal combo I've seen in the League, stunning. Still a cnut mind.
Wayne? Is that you?
As much as I dislike him, he is on another planet this year. Best player in the league
However, I do think he is a bit of a flat track bully. Still could do better in the big games against the best defences
However, I do think he is a bit of a flat track bully. Still could do better in the big games against the best defences
I strongly believe that those numbers are only achieved because Ronaldo and Messi are that good simply, you don't see many other players in different top european leagues achieve the same.
Stop banging on about it.
You followed that comment up with a snide remark, if it is tiresome to about it with Arsenal fans then don't respond to them
If I was going to choose between Suarez and Ozil, it'd be the latter for many of the reasons Jazz has said.
I fully imagine Wenger will chase Suarez again next summer though.
I fully imagine Wenger will chase Suarez again next summer though.
I tried, you keep banging on though.