What has actually happened to Joe Hart?

I don't see how there's anything to disagree on. There were a good few people that thought Hart was being overrated - that 1/3 I was talking about in the first post. It just seems you overlooked that. No-one else agreed about the comparison to James - and at the time it was a tenuous and possibly silly comparison. That's it. I made it in two threads, no-one agreed, it's really that simple. You can't disagree about that because it's a fact, the evidence is right there...I don't see how this is an issue. I don't see that as me selling myself as some voice of reason as almost all of my predictions are wrong. I thought Agger and Skrtel would go on to be two of the best defenders in the world once Rio and Vidic were on the decline.

I also compared him to David James even in Harts very good season he was making mistakes a plenty he was just getting away with them!
 
Hart has been very poor for a season and a half now his mistakes apart that are bad enough his distribution is shocking!


He needs time out, confidence shot. They havent got a replacement though and england will not drop him.

It will get worse I think.
 
"Best keeper in the world"

My arse. :lol:
 
I also compared him to David James even in Harts very good season he was making mistakes a plenty he was just getting away with them!


Right enough, so you did! Glad someone agreed. Definitely looks to be on the cards.

I can't believe someone is so bad at kicking. It's not that hard to teach someone to kick the ball up in the air in a straight line, is it?
 
Is it too much to say that Ben Foster is a better keeper than him at the moment?
 
Something is broken, inside of him. Lost the confidence, some of his reactions, in critical moments are almost out of the pure panic mayhem and other awkward stuff.

He's a good keeper but he just keep on fecking things up, a lot, these days.
 
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I sympathise with him for the goal. Blocked off really.

Doesn't take away from his poor form though. He just needs competition, like any young keeper. It did De Gea some good to be dropped from time to time, it really helped Szczesny last season and Hart will have to do it too.
 
I can't see who the City defender is, but he's utterly failed to get in between Hart and the 'obstructing' Cardiff player there. If anything he's actually helping the Cardiff guy to block Hart off.

That said, Hart spent much too long trying to push the player out of the way. He didn't even need to get past him in the end.
 
I can't see who the City defender is, but he's utterly failed to get in between Hart and the 'obstructing' Cardiff player there. If anything he's actually helping the Cardiff guy to block Hart off.

That said, Hart spent much too long trying to push the player out of the way. He didn't even need to get past him in the end.

Indeed but then again he probably felt abandoned by his teammate who was just standing there doing feck all.
 
Roy Keane called it, and at the time took a shit load of flack from England fans. Hart believed his own hype.
 
Indeed but then again he probably felt abandoned by his teammate who was just standing there doing feck all.

Yep. It's certainly not a feck-up which I'd be too pissed off with De Gea about. It's that idiotic defender who's more at fault.

Plus for the second time in the game Zabaleta just lets Campbell breeze right past him.
 
Yep. It's certainly not a feck-up which I'd be too pissed off with De Gea about. It's that idiotic defender who's more at fault.

Plus for the second time in the game Zabaleta just lets Campbell breeze right past him.


I posted the same thing in the Premier league thread and someone was adamant that it was Harts fault. I explained to him that the way Zabaleta let Campbell run into space it is clearly his fault when he wasn't doing his job properly. I think some just simply have an agenda against him. Yes, he has made some clangers, but so have others. Yes, I am looking at you lawman.
 
According to Twitter David Platt has said if him and Mancini were still in charge at City they would have replaced Joe Hart with Begovic.

Pretty big revelation if true...


fecking hell that's interesting. They really mustn't have been happy with him if they had got to the point of getting rid.
 
Zabaleta is to blame for the first and the third goal, but the second goal is mostly Hart's fault IMO. He kept pushing the Cardiff player instead of concentrating on the ball.
 
I sympathise with him for the goal. Blocked off really.


You really think he's blocking him off? He's just standing there being a nuisance, he hardly even made a move towards Hart. If he'd spent less time paying attention to the man and more time paying attention to the ball he would've realised it was his ball all day long, IMO.
 
What in the name of feck is Milner doing when that ball comes in? Hart is basically trying to push Gunarsson and Milner off. :lol:
 
Blocked off? It was hardly a giant on him and that happens in every game.

He's not really good as people have made him out to be. I wonder how long before Casillas to City starts.
 
Blocked off? It was hardly a giant on him and that happens in every game.

He's not really good as people have made him out to be. I wonder how long before Casillas to City starts.

I thought this. City will be much less forgiving with him than England will.
 
You will probably hear relatively little about this the next week or so in the media

If it was De Gea it would be a bloodbath - I'd love to slap those xenophobic tabloid cocks
 
Don't get how it's the defender's fault for not stopping Hart from being blocked off.

a) If he'd been paying attention to the ball he would have noticed he wasn't being blocked off.
b) It's Hart's job to organise the defence to stop himself from being blocked off, and to clean everyone out in the event that he was being...which he wasn't
 
Don't get how it's the defender's fault for not stopping Hart from being blocked off.

a) If he'd been paying attention to the ball he would have noticed he wasn't being blocked off.
b) It's Hart's job to organise the defence to stop himself from being blocked off, and to clean everyone out in the event that he was being...which he wasn't

Of course it's Hart's fault, that's ridiculous on his part.

However, that doesn't mean Milner can't put two gray cells together and realise the player he's sandwiching is absolutely loving it.
 
Of course it's Hart's fault, that's ridiculous on his part.

However, that doesn't mean Milner can't put two gray cells together and realise the player he's sandwiching is absolutely loving it.

Exactly. They're both at fault, but what the feck does Milner think he's achieving standing there?
 
I sympathise with him for the goal. Blocked off really.

Doesn't take away from his poor form though. He just needs competition, like any young keeper. It did De Gea some good to be dropped from time to time, it really helped Szczesny last season and Hart will have to do it too.

I don't think Hart is being blocked off - if anything Hart is the one seeking the contact and then forgetting to go for the ball until it's too late because he's busy pushing the striker away from nothing. It's very poor goalkeeping.

I'm not sure that being dropped helped DDG as much as you seem to suggest. That's not the opinion among most people on here at least, from what I've seen. What actually helped DDG was when Lindegaard got injured and Fergie stopped rotating them. His best play has come after getting picked consistently over a longer period, which is probably why he was so good last season. For outfield players it's the usual solution to poor form, but I think it's quite different from a goalkeeper - particularly because there's other major factors here (such as getting familiar with the defense). Ultimately it depends on the player; some players thrive when they know their position is under pressure and others play their best when they feel secure in their position and 100% trusted by the manager. Based on Hart's "decline" he might be in the first box, whereas DDG is probably in the second one (based on above). It's something City really need to sort though one way or another (actually, please don't!) if they want to win the title.
 
Mancini & Platt: the Keys & Gray of the job centre.
 
Then why did they drop Pantyman for the cup final in favour of the Brave One?

Though of course by then everyone knew Pellegrini was coming in.
The boy played throughout their route to Wembley, so Mancini probably felt he deserved his place in the cup final.