What has actually happened to Joe Hart?

Liam147 said:
It wasn't long ago that it was. It wasn't long ago that many (even on here) were regarding Hart as the best in the world while DDG still had something to prove. The turnaround from the two has been quite remarkable.
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Best in the world was probably only from people who doesn't watch anything outside of England, but he likely was in top 5 keepers in 2011-2012. De Gea last season was probably even better than him in previous season though.

Anyway, going on topic, I think that it is a mentality thing and he is believing the shit media thinks about him. He will never be a Gordon Banks, but he could be a very good keeper. It will all be depended on him and in the manager of City. Probably dropping him for 5 games or so wouldn't be the worst idea. It worked with De Gea.
 
He's not that bad.

Pirlo has probably left some scars though.

A bit of the Rory Mcillroy effect too
 
The real question is, in which order do you rank; Cassilas, Valdes, Reina, De Gea and Hart?
 
Oggmonster said:
City benefit from a very good defense in fairness. Zabaleta and Kompany are 2 of the best in the league in their positions, Lescott had a great season when they won the league and nastasic was really good last season. It'd be interesting to see the actual amount of chances Hart had to face in them seasons. I'm not saying he did nothing but it's easy to look at something like that and put all the praise on him when in reality he wasn't the best part about the defense (Zabaleta and Nastasic were far more crucial than him last season for example.)

Hart is a good keeper but he got way over rated I thought, he had a really good season in which he made some mistakes but due to his usual high performances the mistakes didn't really matter (and they tended to win games when he did feck up) last season though he was responsible for dropping some points on his own and that's when it gets noticed more really.

I never like the comparisons to de Gea, it's just a bit weird and comes across as kind of obsessive but compare the 2 and Hart did get an easy ride because of his nationality. If he was a foreign keeper (not just de Gea, any foreign keeper at a top club) he'd of been slated by now. Some of the mistakes he makes are embarrassing.
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This for me.

It should be worth pointing out that the seasons before last when people were raving about him and placing him alongside the likes of Buffon and Casillas was the time when Mancini set up City very defensively with 2 holding midfielders. Last season they didn't play so defensively and Hart was tested more often and didn't do so well.
 
I find the idea he got let off because of his nationality bizarre, English keepers are usually castigated and more scrutinised over their mistakes than any other players. No one tried to gloss over Green's, Carson's, Seaman's, or James' mistakes anyway, they got pretty unfairly stuck with calamity or mistake prone tags.

I guess as all of Hart's mistakes have been in normal games rather than high profile ones as with the above they tend to stick less in the memory.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
If we can put aside the small matter of club rivalry and the contrasting way the media have sometimes reported his travails versus those of De Gea, what is going on do you think?

I don't think people would dispute that he did once have a season worthy of much attention and was deserving of the relief that England might have finally found a reliable keeper, so was it undue hype or has his confidence/assurance deserted him?

Since the notorious penalty with Pirlo has the decline only worsened or must the rotating CB partnership take its share of the blame, at least in an England context?
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Pirlo did indeed say he hit the peno the way he did because Joe Hart's smugness basically annoyed him.
 
He hasnt been the same since Roy Keane tore him apart whilst watching Dixon and Southgate squirm to try and defend Joe. It was quite bizarre that most commentators would say "a rare Joe Hart mistake" after nearly every mistake without realising it wasnt rare but occurring more frequently.

He was hyped to be better than he was but theres defo more mistakes than when he became a starter for City. Concentration is probably key and confidence decreasing with each mistake.
Still Englands best keeper right now though. Wonder if Foster can challenge him.
 
One Night Only said:
Really? Never knew that :lol:
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Tbh I kinda exaggerated his quote :lol:
Here is what he really said.

"Joe Hart was doing some strange movements, so when he dived I decided to take it like that and it went well," the Juventus midfielder told Rai Sport.

I just assumed that the strange movements were Joe Hart acting like a dickhead :wenger:
 
Nothing's happened. People jumped the gun with regards to him and got over excited. That's all.
 
He's been found out as a thoroughly decent goalkeeper, but not as good as the hype (which he seems to have started believing) that comes from being one of very few good English goalkeepers around.

People were laughed at for suggesting De Gea was as good, and probably better. Not the case now though.
 
Sylar said:
He hasnt been the same since Roy Keane tore him apart whilst watching Dixon and Southgate squirm to try and defend Joe. It was quite bizarre that most commentators would say "a rare Joe Hart mistake" after nearly every mistake without realising it wasnt rare but occurring more frequently.

He was hyped to be better than he was but theres defo more mistakes than when he became a starter for City. Concentration is probably key and confidence decreasing with each mistake.
Still Englands best keeper right now though. Wonder if Foster can challenge him.
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I think it's definitely a concentration issue. All the hype has turned his head and he probably spends a good chunk of match time worried about how he looks on televison and what he's going to say in the post match interview.
 
Normally I would think a goalkeeper can't have too much confidence but I think he's lost concentration since he has no competition for City and especially England. He must have lost some hunger having won the league the year before as well. He's still a good keeper but to reach his potential he needs to get a grip of himself.
 
The Neviller said:
He's been found out as a thoroughly decent goalkeeper, but not as good as the hype (which he seems to have started believing) that comes from being one of very few good English goalkeepers around.

People were laughed at for suggesting De Gea was as good, and probably better. Not the case now though.
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I wouldn't get too ahead of ourselves either DDG still has plenty to prove after an impressive season.
 
Lawman said:
I wouldn't get too ahead of ourselves either DDG still has plenty to prove after an impressive season.
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DDG is comfortably the better keeper, Hart is simply starting to actually get the blame for his feckups now.
 
What always happens to the England #1 - he's amazing until he makes a few mistakes for England.

Brwned said:
Hart - possible David James in the making.
joshboy said:
joe hart?? for me best keeper in the league pushing to be one of the best in the world. top class if you ask me.
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Revan said:
Already best Premiere League keeper, and probably in top 3 in the world with Casillas and Neur.
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Brwned said:
And he nearly gave a goal away about 30 seconds earlier dropping a cross and leaving his goal wide open...but then he's the England no. 1 so that's happily glossed over. Until he does it for England at least, and then he's absolutely slaughtered.
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Cheesy said:
Even though he was overrated and overhyped by the English media, back from around 2010-2012 he was superb for City and for a spell was the best goalkeeper in the league and was starting to gain recognition as a world class goalkeeper who would only get better.

He's really had a poor season or so though. I still think he's an excellent shot stopper and he proved that with some fantastic games last season, however he's starting to make errors way too frequently. Even the best can get away with some, but he's made way too many over the past year or so.

I think a lot of people here are writing him off too quickly though. He's had a poor season, but he's still incredibly young and I expect he'll improve once again now that he's had a very poor season and has been brought back down to Earth. Some goalkeepers can have poor spells and I doubt that his good few seasons were just him in form. He's obviously got quality, and if he can cut out his errors then he's a top goalkeeper.

The fact he still won the Golden Glove last year goes to show that while he was making plenty of errors, it's hardly as if he had an awful season either. More an inconsistent one.
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:smirk:

Cheesy said:
It's hardly mad to prefer De Gea to Hart, but to be honest, I think that it's silly. I actually think that you're underrating Hart a bit here. He's without a doubt the best keeper in the league at the moment, which is what you could argue VDS was when he was in his prime with us. VDS was debatably better than Hart, however there's not really too much a difference between the two. Hart's certainly not the best goalkeeper in the world like muppets such as Redknapp claim, but he's probably among the top 5 in the world, and has the potential to be right up there.
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None of us really know, but if I would have to hazard a guess i'd say complacency. He has a long way to go before he can consider himself in the same bracket as Cech, VDS, Schmeichel, Seaman etc, but he seemed to think he was there already.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
None of us really know, but if I would have to hazard a guess i'd say complacency. He has a long way to go before he can consider himself in the same bracket as Cech, VDS, Schmeichel, Seaman etc, but he seemed to think he was there already.
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Yup, he's always seemed like a really cocky type of person and he had one really good season for them and probably thought he was up there with the best already.
 
Seems like a similar situation to what happened with Szczęsny. Had a good season then started to believe all the hype surrounding him. Hart's still one of the top GKs in the PL though.
 
He's making a lot of mental mistakes. His general mechanics look quite good, bar his kicking; just needs to get his head back in the game. He's not world class though, just pretty good.
 
adexkola said:
Did he actually say this in an interview, or this is just conjecture based on his body language?
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I'm sure a lot of it is conjecture, but he is often very arrogant in interviews. He does this thing of refusing to acknowledge when he's made a howler.

I can't remember which game it was, but in one post-match interview after a feck-up last season he was asked something along the lines of 'did you make a mistake for the first goal?' and answered with 'well, I think as a team we didn't play well enough today, we know we're better than this... etc etc'.
 
adexkola said:
Did he actually say this in an interview, or this is just conjecture based on his body language?
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He's been a cocky bastard in interviews since day one in interviews in fairness. And I agree that most people agreed he was overrated once the mistakes started kicking in last year but the year before? I'd say 2/3 of the forum would have swapped De Gea for him in an instant and he was generally considered one of the best in the world by English fans all over. No-one agreed with me about the David James similarities at the time in any case.
 
Brwned said:
He's been a cocky bastard in interviews since day one in interviews in fairness. And I agree that most people agreed he was overrated once the mistakes started kicking in last year but the year before? I'd say 2/3 of the forum would have swapped De Gea for him in an instant and he was generally considered one of the best in the world by English fans all over. No-one agreed with me about the David James similarities at the time in any case.
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You love to exaggerate how much of this forum is retarded to make yourself look better, don't you? It seems like every post I see by you is along these lines.

In actual fact it wasn't nearly that bad. Most caftards seemed to recognise that De Gea was the more inherently talented keeper, initial jitters aside. Very few in here agreed with the hype about him being 'one of the best in the world'. The dominant narrative seemed to be the (justifiable) moaning about the media picking on De Gea and canonising Hart despite their seasons not being so very different.
 
I've seen young English goalkeepers being overrated and then crash (Richard Wright, Chris Kirkland, Paul Robinson, Scott Carson). Hart's a little different because I think he is the real deal. Also, he hasn't crashed nearly as bad as those (yet). I've no idea why, though. Who knows with football. It could be a blip, or he might stay that way forever. Good, but dodgy.
 
Standard English/British player does pretty well for a period, massively hyped up, then as the spotlight becomes more focused on them people find it harder to ignore/defend the mistakes. Amount of times we've heard "that's unusual for Joe Hart" or along those lines it crazy. He's a good keeper, capable of having days where he's one of the best around, and he's still learning but has been very overrated for a while, but as I said its very standard stuff.
 
Brwned said:
He's been a cocky bastard in interviews since day one in interviews in fairness. And I agree that most people agreed he was overrated once the mistakes started kicking in last year but the year before? I'd say 2/3 of the forum would have swapped De Gea for him in an instant and he was generally considered one of the best in the world by English fans all over. No-one agreed with me about the David James similarities at the time in any case.
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I'd agree with that, he was getting universal praise from almost all quarters. I didn't catch too many City games, but I'm assuming the praise was merited back then.
 
Hart made some memorable saves in 11/12 and was solid in the league, but if I remember correctly he was not good in their European games. Once the spread evened out a bit, people became more aware of his flaws.
 
Loss of focus and a big ego is to blame imo, he seems to think he's beyond doing the basics well... a showbiz goalkeeper, but his distribution is not very good and his biggest asset - his shot stopping is letting him down.

Always thought he had it in him to be England's number 1, but i'd argue he's let it go to his head. Don't think he's the type to mentally crumble and become a shadow of himself but he needs to hit some sort of rock bottom and then work his way back up.
 
Brwned said:
He's been a cocky bastard in interviews since day one in interviews in fairness. And I agree that most people agreed he was overrated once the mistakes started kicking in last year but the year before? I'd say 2/3 of the forum would have swapped De Gea for him in an instant and he was generally considered one of the best in the world by English fans all over. No-one agreed with me about the David James similarities at the time in any case.
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Id go so far as saying that technically James was the superior keeper. His problem was a mental one ultimately
 
Brightonian said:
You love to exaggerate how much of this forum is retarded to make yourself look better, don't you? It seems like every post I see by you is along these lines.

In actual fact it wasn't nearly that bad. Most caftards seemed to recognise that De Gea was the more inherently talented keeper, initial jitters aside. Very few in here agreed with the hype about him being 'one of the best in the world'. The dominant narrative seemed to be the (justifiable) moaning about the media picking on De Gea and canonising Hart despite their seasons not being so very different.
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Last season? Absolutely. The season before? Nah. Read the thread if you want. 2/3 of the posts were overwhelmingly positive, highlighting how Hart was the best keeper in the league and a large portion of them talking about him being potentially one of the best in the world. He was seen as a much safer bet and a top talent that we let slip through our hands. A good 1/3 of the forum disagreed with this, as I said, and there were a good number of people pointing out his flaws. I just don't think anyone agreed with the David James comparison. That's it. If you were involved in these discussions and took some personal offence to being grouped in with this 2/3 then it'd make sense, but you weren't even on the forum at the time so this is just bizarre...especially since you've got a number of people that were here on the time agreeing with the general perception.
Decotron said:
Id go so far as saying that technically James was the superior keeper. His problem was a mental one ultimately
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Agreed.
adexkola said:
I'd agree with that, he was getting universal praise from almost all quarters. I didn't catch too many City games, but I'm assuming the praise was merited back then.
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In general he was excellent but you could see the arrogance would eventually lead to some problems and, as RK said, he and Kompany were the two players that seemed to be exposed in the CL games against top opposition. I think it was the Napoli games in particular that he looked weak in. These were forgotten about within days by the media and because of that I think quite a few people didn't even get a chance to see the mistakes. If his flaws were picked up on as they are with any other keeper then I think less people would've been talking about him as one of the best in the world, personally.
 
Can someone link me to an arrogant interview? From my memory, he's usually very honest about his mistakes and is far more forthcoming in his confessions than others.
 
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