What has actually happened to Joe Hart?

We have seen the likes of Carrick, Scholes, Busquets receive the ball in that same position. Never have their first touch led to a direct goal. Its just an incredibly shite touch from the shite Fernando.
 
Never seen a goalkeeper before who's main weakness is defending his near post.


That and volleys, feck, I mean a volley to the near post must be a 90% chance to score against him......
 
What was he actually thinking there? If he makes a dive and misses it, well shit happens and it's a decent effort from Sessegnon even if it was near post, but to not even react until it's past him and just stand there with that dozy look on his face...
 
Yeah but he saved penalties against Ibra and Messi.
 
.Rossi said:
Not for the English boys doing punditry.

"Yep, clearly Joe Hart's tactics made Zlatan miss that penalty. Amazing"

Idiots
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Well I think Hart diving the right way had something to do with it.

TwoSheds said:
What was he actually thinking there? If he makes a dive and misses it, well shit happens and it's a decent effort from Sessegnon even if it was near post, but to not even react until it's past him and just stand there with that dozy look on his face...
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He clearly didn't make a conscious choice not to dive, it was just a mistake. The shot had so much power on it that if he failed to anticipate it then he was fecked, which is exactly what happened.
 
.Rossi said:
I was talking about the "Oh he walked behind the goals. Mind games. England's brave and psychological mind gamer Joe Hart" bullshit they were spouting
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Yeah I got that but regardless of what the pundits said Hart saved the penalty, it doesn't matter if what he did before the kick had any impact, he went the right way and pushed it out for a corner which was a massive moment in the game.
 
BobbyManc said:
Well I think Hart diving the right way had something to do with it.



He clearly didn't make a conscious choice not to dive, it was just a mistake. The shot had so much power on it that if he failed to anticipate it then he was fecked, which is exactly what happened.
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He's a Premier League goalkeeper, the shot wasn't that powerful.
 
BobbyManc said:
Yeah I got that but regardless of what the pundits said Hart saved the penalty, it doesn't matter if what he did before the kick had any impact, he went the right way and pushed it out for a corner which was a massive moment in the game.
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Ha I'm not disputing it was a good save or that it wasn't important. Just that bullshit about "psychological warfare" and "mind games" is ridiculous.

We've all seen him try do that to players before (Pirlo) and it has no baring on the outcome
 
TwoSheds said:
He's a Premier League goalkeeper, the shot wasn't that powerful.
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Doesn't matter if you're playing Sunday League or Champions League, a powerful shot is a powerful shot. I'm not justifying Hart's mistake but he obviously did not choose to let it go in by not diving, his error was in his anticipation.
 
BobbyManc said:
Doesn't matter if you're playing Sunday League or Champions League, a powerful shot is a powerful shot. I'm not justifying Hart's mistake but he obviously did not choose to let it go in by not diving, his error was in his anticipation.
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Point is, he's got good reflexes, shot was from must have been 10-12 yds, it was powerful but nothing crazy, pretty close to him, he obviously failed to anticipate it but IMO still definitely had time to react in some way. Might just have bundled it against the post or something, but instead he froze and did nothing.
 
.Rossi said:
I was talking about the "Oh he walked behind the goals. Mind games. England's brave and psychological mind gamer Joe Hart" bullshit they were spouting
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Yep it's cringeworthy
 
I don't think he was ever in the same bracket as DDG, Neuer or Courtois, Hart's "just" a pretty good keeper, nothing outstanding. Forster is probably England's best keeper at the moment.
 
.Rossi said:
I was talking about the "Oh he walked behind the goals. Mind games. England's brave and psychological mind gamer Joe Hart" bullshit they were spouting
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This kind of thing is incredibly annoying, particularly if you don't happen to be English. Check this insular, tub-thumping guff from Football365, on Beckham's goal against Greece:

Where were you when David Beckham scored that injury time free-kick against Greece in October 2001? It is a wonder that Beckham even managed to complete his run-up after England were awarded a free-kick with minutes remaining. The hopes, the dreams, the expectations of a nation weighed heavily on his shoulders. But three years after being cast as the villain in France, Beckham cemented his place as a hero with an equaliser dubbed ‘The Goal That Shook The World’.
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'Where were you'? It wasn't the assassination of JFK, FFS. 'Shook the World'? Like f*ck. And even if he hadn't scored, England would've been able to qualify via a play-off, so it was only truly dramatic in one aspect - it was late in the game. Don't get me wrong: it was an exciting moment, and I was happy for David and for England fans, but the inevitable assumption that we're all Ingerlund-mad, that this moment really mattered (on a global scale), and that the world was waiting with baited breath for Becks to triumph is a joke; a bloody annoying one. No wonder Rooney has been consistently described by journalists as 'world class' despite the actual truth: that he rarely top-scores even in his domestic league; has not been the difference-maker in any European club finals; and has never made an impact in the latter stages of any World or European international tournaments. But still, he must be world class...because he's English and because he's been good in English league games. FFS...
 
He's always been overrated in peoples' imagination because of the superficial resemblance to Peter Schmeikel.
 
ZAGREB RED said:
I don't think he was ever in the same bracket as DDG, Neuer or Courtois, Hart's "just" a pretty good keeper, nothing outstanding. Forster is probably England's best keeper at the moment.
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Has anyone (bar a few deluded English journos) have ever though that?
 
Revan said:
Has anyone (bar a few deluded English journos) have ever though that?
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'I've been watching his game for a few years now, and Joe Hart is now for me one of the top three goalkeepers in the world. He had the period where he made some mistakes and was dropped, but he needed that. I've always said you need to be a bit of a masochist to be a top goalkeeper and that period would have made Joe that. Since his return to the team after being dropped, you won't think of a better goalkeeper in the world. It's not just about the saves he makes, but the way he organises with such confidence. He is a real leader.'

Not from some deluded English journalist but Gianluigi Buffon.
 
Earthquake said:
There was a time it seemed many thought he was better than De Gea, but that was before De Gea was obviously one of the best in the world.
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He was better than De Gea on De Gea's first season here, no doubt about that. On that season, Hart was the best keeper in the country, and if not in top 3, then definitely in top 5 keepers in the world.
BobbyManc said:
'I've been watching his game for a few years now, and Joe Hart is now for me one of the top three goalkeepers in the world. He had the period where he made some mistakes and was dropped, but he needed that. I've always said you need to be a bit of a masochist to be a top goalkeeper and that period would have made Joe that. Since his return to the team after being dropped, you won't think of a better goalkeeper in the world. It's not just about the saves he makes, but the way he organises with such confidence. He is a real leader.'

Not from some deluded English journalist but Gianluigi Buffon.
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Oh, it seems that there is some other guy who thinks so. Would have definitely loved to hear how many times Buffon has seen him and the other top keepers play though.

I cannot imagine how anyone who has a brain and at least an eye get to the conclusion that Hart has been a top 3 (or 5) keeper in the world bar in 11-12 season. I mean, the likes of Neuer, De Gea and Courtuis have been far better while the likes of Bravo, Navas, Buffon himself, Lloris have outperformed him in all these years. Since 11-12 season, Hart has been from awful to decent but not spectacular. There was a reason why Mancini wanted to replace him and there is a reason why Guardiola wants him off. He's a good keeper, but not an elite one.
 
Most City fans I talk to love Joe Hart and think he is in the top three keepers in the world. I take two points from this perception.

1. Pep will be playing a risky game getting rid of Hart.
2. Those City fans are dead wrong.
 
Revan said:
He was better than De Gea on De Gea's first season here, no doubt about that. On that season, Hart was the best keeper in the country, and if not in top 3, then definitely in top 5 keepers in the world.

Oh, it seems that there is some other guy who thinks so. Would have definitely loved to hear how many times Buffon has seen him and the other top keepers play though.

I cannot imagine how anyone who has a brain and at least an eye get to the conclusion that Hart has been a top 3 (or 5) keeper in the world bar in 11-12 season. I mean, the likes of Neuer, De Gea and Courtuis have been far better while the likes of Bravo, Navas, Buffon himself, Lloris have outperformed him in all these years. Since 11-12 season, Hart has been from awful to decent but not spectacular. There was a reason why Mancini wanted to replace him and there is a reason why Guardiola wants him off. He's a good keeper, but not an elite one.
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I do not know how much Buffon has watched but regardless his opinion must hold some weight, he will not be basing it on nothing, he has clearly seen Hart and recognised in him enough to allow him to form the opinion he has.

The emboldened part is based entirely on reports, let's not count either as fact, and even if the Guardiola reports are true they are based on Hart's distribution qualities which are admittedly poor. As for what you say I disagree, you're clearly underrating Hart. I do not believe he is in the top three but there are only a few keepers I'd definitely rate ahead of him. Neuer and De Gea for sure, Buffon, Handanovic and a couple others almost certainly. As for Courtois and Lloris, I would not swap him for either of them. I'm not going to comment on keepers in the Spanish league as I do not watch it often enough.
 
TBF, a lot of foreign player still think Rooney is this amazing player like he was years ago. Which doesnt surprise me, cos they probably just watch highlights or go based on reputation and history. Not saying whats Buffon did, cos he might be streaming City matches....

Hart is decent, sometimes good. But hes never been great for me.
 
Hart is a good keeper with great shot stopping however he needs to be more confident in the air and start catching more balls. That penalty would never have happened had he caught the ball just 3 seconds earlier, he was under no pressure and it was an easy catch yet he unexplicably punches it away. He does this often. Having said that i think it would be unfair to drop him, he also seems to be quite popular among the fans and being the only englishman in the starting 11 it would not be a popular decision. Pep dropping him seems to be more of a paper talk tbh.
 
It's not even an error of judgement. He looked completely outclassed and outwitted. To concede in such an important match from that distance is simply unforgivable.
 
De Gea = tier 1

Navas and the likes = tier 2

Hart = between tier 3 and 4.
 
Still remember when the English media hounded De Gea after every little mistake, Joe Hart never quite got the same treatment.
 
Overrated.
 
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