What has actually happened to Joe Hart?

He's not bad but he's certainly not great and the media love-in for him has been ridiculous at times. The contrasting treatment of him and DDG pissed me off something rotten in Dave's early years with us.

Hart also seems like a bit of a prick.
 
He plays best when city are under attack (like against Barcelona) when he's needed to make multiple saves. So yeah a mid table level keeper.
 
I'd genuinely like to see Fraser Forster given a try, he's good enough to deserve a go. Hart isn't bad, but he consistently makes more errors than the really good keepers do. He's lucky it didn't end up mattering today.
 
Ibi Dreams said:
I'd genuinely like to see Fraser Forster given a try, he's good enough to deserve a go. Hart isn't bad, but he consistently makes more errors than the really good keepers do. He's lucky it didn't end up mattering today.
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I agree he's quality.
 
Rado_N said:
He's not bad but he's certainly not great and the media love-in for him has been ridiculous at times. The contrasting treatment of him and DDG pissed me off something rotten in Dave's early years with us.

Hart also seems like a bit of a prick.
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Hart's distribution with his feet was awful in the first game then he made one good long pass to feet and Keown said 'his distribution has been very good again today'.
 
Was very good for City this season, he's a world class keeper. Dreadful mistake today but every keeper makes them from time to time. He has enough respect from his peers to suggest the opinion of him on here is not a popular one.
 
I used to play Kasper Schmeichel ahead of him in football manger... never bought the hype :p
 
BobbyManc said:
Was very good for City this season, he's a world class keeper. Dreadful mistake today but every keeper makes them from time to time. He has enough respect from his peers to suggest the opinion of him on here is not a popular one.
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Disagree with you there. Makes too many errors to be considered world class.

He's a good keeper capable of some world class performances, but he's not an elite keeper for me.
 
BobbyManc said:
Was very good for City this season, he's a world class keeper. Dreadful mistake today but every keeper makes them from time to time. He has enough respect from his peers to suggest the opinion of him on here is not a popular one.
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You can't be world class with kicking ability as bad as that in the modern game. That is before you bring into account his dreadful mistakes. Today's was two fold. Both Schmeichel and Kahn said firstly he shouldn't have had a wall at all because Bale was so far out and central that he should he could have stood in the middle of the goal and seen the shot coming all the way. Secondly, he should have saved the eventual shot anyway.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
Disagree with you there. Makes too many errors to be considered world class.

He's a good keeper capable of some world class performances, but he's not an elite keeper for me.
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Fair enough. Do not believe he makes too many mistakes, he is prone to spells of bad form but seems to have put them behind him, otherwise he just makes the same few mistakes virtually all keepers will unfortunately make during a full season.

Classical Mechanic said:
You can't be world class with kicking ability as bad as that in the modern game. That is before you bring into account his dreadful mistakes. Today's was two fold. Both Schmeichel and Kahn said firstly he shouldn't have had a wall at all because Bale was so far out and central that he should he could have stood in the middle of the goal and seen the shot coming all the way. Secondly, he should have saved the eventual shot anyway.
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Nonsense, his kicking ability is poor but he is hardly gifting opposition possession in dangerous areas game after game. It's not bad enough to mean he could never be deemed world class, his job for City and England is to save shots first and foremost, which he is typically very good at. As for the mistake today not much to say about it, it was dreadful and he clearly accepted that himself post-match.
 
Shit in both games.
Anybodies mum could of saved Bales free kick today, it was dreadfull keeping.
 
BobbyManc said:
Nonsense, his kicking ability is poor but he is hardly gifting opposition possession in dangerous areas game after game. It's not bad enough to mean he could never be deemed world class, his job for City and England is to save shots first and foremost, which he is typically very good at. As for the mistake today not much to say about it, it was dreadful and he clearly accepted that himself post-match.
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I disagree. A top keeper has to be able to play the sweeper keeper role in the modern game IMO. De Gea, Cortouis and Neuer all can. Hart simply isn't in that bracket. Not only because he can't play that role, he also makes a lot more glaring mistakes than them. What was that Lallana goal all about, that was League One level stuff?
 
Ugh. When I remember his relentless gum chewing and acting like a big man in the tunnel.
And then game comes and he turns out to be crap.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
I disagree. A top keeper has to be able to play the sweeper keeper role in the modern game IMO. De Gea, Cortouis and Neuer all can. Hart simply isn't in that bracket. Not only because he can't play that role, he also makes a lot more glaring mistakes than them. What was that Lallana goal all about, that was League One level stuff?
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Handanovic is no better than Hart with the ball at his feet, are you saying he is also not a top keeper, because I'd say he's comfortably one of the best in the world. In certain systems then it is an important feature but it's no where near universal enough to claim that having to play a sweeper keeper is prerequisite to being deemed world class. Again the Lallana goal was a mistake but all keepers make them. What about de Gea's failure to keep out Reid's header in one of United's most important games last season? Every keeper fecks up at some point in a season.
 
BobbyManc said:
Handanovic is no better than Hart with the ball at his feet, are you saying he is also not a top keeper, because I'd say he's comfortably one of the best in the world. In certain systems then it is an important feature but it's no where near universal enough to claim that having to play a sweeper keeper is prerequisite to being deemed world class. Again the Lallana goal was a mistake but all keepers make them. What about de Gea's failure to keep out Reid's header in one of United's most important games last season? Every keeper fecks up at some point in a season.
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The Lallana goal was bizarre. It was a shocking mistake because no way in hell should a shot like that go in against keepers even two divisions down. And no I would not rate Handanovic alongside the three I mentioned.
 
He's just like a number of our (Englands) players....massively overrated.

He's a good goalkeeper and on his day he's very good. But I wouldn't say he's anywhere near being one of the world's best. He has so many mares.

Point has to be made though there are very few truly world class keepers around right now. De Gea and Neuer are only two for me with a group of very good keepers in behind them.
 
He's a good keeper who makes the odd clanger. There are and have been plenty about.

City will need better than him if they ever want to win the CL.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
The Lallana goal was bizarre. It was a shocking mistake because no way in hell should a shot like that go in against keepers even two divisions down. And no I would not rate Handanovic alongside the three I mentioned.
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Likewise De Gea's mistake for Reid's goal. It was an awful error, I could go and find examples of Neuer this year making embarrassing mistakes. As for Handanovic he is almost certainly better than Courtois, and there's nothing substantial between him and De Gea or Neuer. You really need to watch Inter's matches to appreciate how many times he bails them out.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
He's a good keeper who makes the odd clanger. There are and have been plenty about.

City will need better than him if they ever want to win the CL.
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...yet he's often one of our best players in the competition. Go watch his games v Barcelona and Dortmund. Saved his last three penalties (v Barca, PSG and 'Gladbach) in the CL too. He's produced some of his best performances in the competition.
 
BobbyManc said:
Likewise De Gea's mistake for Reid's goal. It was an awful error, I could go and find examples of Neuer this year making embarrassing mistakes. As for Handanovic he is almost certainly better than Courtois, and there's nothing substantial between him and De Gea or Neuer. You really need to watch Inter's matches to appreciate how many times he bails them out.
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One glaring mistake all season from Dea Gea. Off course that was from much closer range so less of a mistake than a weak shot hit from 25 yards out that he could see all the way.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
One glaring mistake all season from Dea Gea. Off course that was from much closer range so less of a mistake than a weak shot hit from 25 yards out that he could see all the way.
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That's debatable, at the end of the day both mistakes were embarrassing, my point is to highlight one of Hart's as especially bad is without substance as all top keepers make howlers that a schoolkid could normally avoid. I'm not seeking to make any comparison with de Gea, I've accepted for some time he is clearly a better keeper and arguably the world's best.
 
BobbyManc said:
...yet he's often one of our best players in the competition. Go watch his games v Barcelona and Dortmund. Saved his last three penalties (v Barca, PSG and 'Gladbach) in the CL too. He's produced some of his best performances in the competition.
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That's not really saying a lot, i've watch them each round and every one save for 2 or 3 underperform.

Also, saving penalties isn't really a barometer of a keeper's class. It's basically just guessing right.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
That's not really saying a lot, i've watch them each round and every one save for 2 or 3 underperform.

Also, saving penalties isn't really a barometer of a keeper's class. It's basically just guessing right.
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Agreed saving penalties is not an important aspect but saving three in a row is evidence that Hart is hardly detrimental to City's CL performances isn't it? Plus there's a bit more to it than just guessing, I doubt when de Gea saved Lukaku's penalty in the FA Cup you just thought 'wow, good guess'.
 
Joe Hart world class :lol::lol:

Pep is winning little at City unless he brings in a GK.
 
BobbyManc said:
Agreed saving penalties is not an important aspect but saving three in a row is evidence that Hart is hardly detrimental to City's CL performances isn't it? Plus there's a bit more to it than just guessing, I doubt when de Gea saved Lukaku's penalty in the FA Cup you just thought 'wow, good guess'.
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Of course you do, isn't that what everyone thinks? You're not expecting to keeper to save it. A really bad taker can obviously be read like a book, but the majority of pens are just guesswork on the part of the keeper.

He's hardly been detrimental to City's progress thus far, but sooner or later the more frequently you make it to the latter stages like last season, the more his clangers are going to matter. Better teams, having more of the ball, taking more shots, with higher stakes. I can see him costing you big one day.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
Of course you do, isn't that what everyone thinks? You're not expecting to keeper to save it. A really bad taker can obviously be read like a book, but the majority of pens are just guesswork on the part of the keeper.

He's hardly been detrimental to City's progress thus far, but sooner or later the more frequently you make it to the latter stages like last season, the more his clangers are going to matter. Better teams, having more of the ball, taking more shots, with higher stakes. I can see him costing you big one day.
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Again not backed by the evidence given his best games have come in games where City were absolutely dominated, for example v Barcelona and Dortmund.
 
BobbyManc said:
Again not backed by the evidence given his best games have come in games where City were absolutely dominated, for example v Barcelona and Dortmund.
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All i'm saying is, if we were regularly making the latter stages of a big tournament, i'd be worried with him in the net. He might not have made one in the two games you've mentioned, but they're frequent enough to be a blot on his copybook.
 
Always been over-rated. Makes far too many mistakes and with backpasses and the ball at his feet he's horrendous.

Would give Butland or Foster a chance over Hart. Get Butland fit and back in the form he showed before injuries last season and i reckon he's a much better option than Hart. Needs testing mentally though, under siege and doing well aint the same as twiddling your fingers for 60 minutes and then being asked to make world class saves.
 
I don't blame him for beeing bad at goalkeeping...I mean, it's a bit of a problem when you're a goalkeeper, but he can't help it I guess.

But it's the way he always has to act like the big man. Trying to make out he's the leader in team huddles (I don't know how, he just has the body language of someone wh thinks they're above the rest of the team...you're not even the fecking captain mate, so tone it down)...screaming the national anthem just to make a scene of himself...waiting until the camera was in front of him then pumping his chest and telling England fans to "stay safe", from a distance of about 200m away so not one of them could possibly have seen or heard hm say it. What a fecking bellend.

You don't do that kind of bullshit, as if you're the main man, and then fumble a 35 yard shot into the net like a useless bumbling cretin. You are either one or the other.

He's such a clown, that at the Russia game when he came out of his goal at the end to try and lose the game for England, the French bloke next to me just laughed and said "Joe Hart"...he's reached the status of being one oof those joke players other team's fans enjoy watching more than you do.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
He won a bunch of things with Valdes as GK.
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Yeah a goalkeeper who was excellent with the ball at his feet and one of the best in the world in one on one situations. Give me Valdes over Hart every single day of the week.
 
I kNow we lost today but my highlight...
Joe hart smirking and chewing his cud before the freekick and then having to pick the ball out of the net.
Great scenes :D
 
Keeps having these lapse moments in big games. The first thing I thought when the Russia got their equaliser was how he came far across, shuffled a couple steps to the right and watched as it looped over the back post. Suarez's 2nd goal in the WC as powerful as it was should never had beat him either, didn't even bother to use his hands as it flew over his shoulder.
 
Ibi Dreams said:
I'd genuinely like to see Fraser Forster given a try, he's good enough to deserve a go. Hart isn't bad, but he consistently makes more errors than the really good keepers do. He's lucky it didn't end up mattering today.
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When Smalling can't pass, your keeper needs to.
 
Percy17 said:
He's not a bad keeper. But he's not world class see as many people were seeing him a while back. He falls into the category of keepers like Navas, Courtois and Cech.
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All three of those are a level above him IMO.
 
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