What has actually happened to Joe Hart?

He's too proactive for his (and his team's) own good, and lacks the aura of calmness that DDG exudes.
 
Aboutreika18 said:
I've never got the impression that Kompany and Hart have ever had a great level of communication between themselves.

There's been a few times where Kompany's got in his way or Hart has gone for a ball that he should have left for Kompany instead over the past couple of seasons.
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And notable incidents with Nastasic and Kolo Toure in recent years (the latter was more Toure's fault, the former largely Hart's) involving poor communication and decision making. I wouldn't be surprised to see City sign a very good keeper in the summer - possible Casillas if he remains benched, and if he doesn't then Diego Lopez would be great too.
 
Said it before and I'll say it again - Hart is one of, if not the best, keeper in the PL. He has his moments but his ability is obvious.
 
nahealai said:
I tweeted about his positioning earlier when watching the game. Incredible that he left Wickham almost two yards to aim for on his near post for their second goal.

Huge negligence for a supposed top 'keeper. I was also chatting to a City-supporting mate of mine at football last night and he was ranting about Hart's performance against Liverpool on Sunday. He couldn't believe his decision-making for Sterling's goal, which we as neutrals were all too aware of anyway.
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Agreed. It's ridiculous how much hype he has received since his loan move to Birmingham a few years ago. He's athletic and can pull of some excellent saves, but he's not progressed in the last two years. He's not worked on obvious flaws like positioning. He seems to get beat a lot to his left when shots are hit low. What's not surprising is the lack of media attention towards his obvious flaws. Conversely, De Gea was criticised heavily for his mistakes in 11/12 and the first half of 12/13. I'd argue that it's only recently that he's managed to convince many people that he's one of the best goalkeepers (top three IMO) in the world.
 
shay given was a fantastic goalkeeper.. just unfortunate enough to be a whole 11 centimetres shorter then the likes of hart's.. cech's.. and subsequently poor on crosses etc. just too small.


having watched the goal he allowed.. it was simply poor. i don't expect hart to give those up, but it's not a very hard hit shot, from a distance that isn't dangerous, to his near post. he positioned himself very very poorly, and didn't react well enough. it's like he just forgot where he was standing in relation to the goal.
 
To be fair Wickham did strike it sweetly, Hart should do better but I don't think it was a howler, his mistake against Liverpool to me is more worrying from an England perspective. He's clearly a good keeper but I'm not convinced he's intelligent enough in his positioning and decision making at times to go onto the next level. I hope he does recover his form long term though.
 
What actually happen With Hart is simple. He had one season that was abnormal, and he was the best keeper in the world. Then he returned to being himself. "What actually happened" was the one season.
 
Malva said:
shay given was a fantastic goalkeeper.. just unfortunate enough to be a whole 11 centimetres shorter then the likes of hart's.. cech's.. and subsequently poor on crosses etc. just too small.


having watched the goal he allowed.. it was simply poor. i don't expect hart to give those up, but it's not a very hard hit shot, from a distance that isn't dangerous, to his near post. he positioned himself very very poorly, and didn't react well enough. it's like he just forgot where he was standing in relation to the goal.
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Yeah, the main issue was the positioning. Should have closed out the near post angle.
 
Very good goalkeeper on form, but just cant handle the ridiculous pressure put on him by the English media. He is not as good as they make him out to be (like Jamie redknapp saying he is the best) so most often or not he will come up short as people expect more from him than he is capable of, and when he makes a mistake it will be magnified as he is not expected to make them. Good goalkeeper but not one who will be remembered for being one of the best of our time imo.
 
alastair said:
This near post thing is bollocks.

Top keepers can be beaten at the near post. Not from range, but it is allowed.
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It's an annoying piece of received wisdom. Shay Given was on the radio the other day saying how much the self-appointed keeping experts parroting it pissed him off.
 
He never was the best keeper in the world. He had one very good season. Thats it. He is good all around but makes a remarkable amount of really big mistakes. Without the massive amount of brain-farts, he would be a top10 keeper. At the moment he is not even top 20.
He is one of those guys where every single shot is somehow worrisome. He fecked up for the national side and in the CL, league and cup. I dont even watch him that much but remember big mistakes in every competition.
I almost feel sorry for him. He is mentally just not up to it. Too much Hype/pressure and he cant stay focused for 90 minutes.
Every topclub in the world has a better keeper. In no order:
Valdes, Lopez, Casillas, Courtois, Neuer, Weidenfeller, DDG, Cech, Szczesny.
There are at least 10 more keeper, that are better than him and another 10 that are equal.
 
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peterstorey said:
It's an annoying piece of received wisdom. Shay Given was on the radio the other day saying how much the self-appointed keeping experts parroting it pissed him off.
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Getting your angles right, or positioning, if you prefer, is goalkeeping 101, Pete.

It'd be more in Given's line to be pissed off at leaving a soft one in on his near post than listening to 'experts' whom he claims to not respect anyway.
 
peterstorey said:
Yes but you constantly hear bollox about been beaten at the near post when the ball's hit from 10 yards or less.
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Agreed. Half of the time they're piledrivers from ten yards but Wickham's was not only that; Hart gave him a clear two-yard area at the near post to aim at. It was bizarre positioning for a supposed world-class goalkeeper.

If De Gea had did it, I'd have been fuming, put it that way. It's just howler after howler with Hart nowadays.
 
nahealai said:
Getting your angles right, or positioning, if you prefer, is goalkeeping 101, Pete.

It'd be more in Given's line to be pissed off at leaving a soft one in on his near post than listening to 'experts' whom he claims to not respect anyway.
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Great positioning and covering of angles can separate the good keepers from the very best. For example, van der Sar was widely renowned as one of the top keepers in the world in his latter years and from my view - and many others - it was largely down to immaculate positioning and high concentration levels. If you are positioned exceptionally well, you don't put yourself in a position to save every shot in an extravagant fashion.

Hart's positioning is a massive flaw on his general goalkeeping ability.
 
Not sure I agree with the Given comparison as he was a great shot-stopper and therefore presumably had no issues with his angles. Hart's problems seem to be a combination of concentration, positioning and having a left hand made of jelly.
 
This is why DDG impresses me so much, the way he just stops dead powerful strikes aimed at him. Even if the ball is straight at the keeper, it takes some reflexes, skills and self belief to wanna stop the ball completely.
 
Concerning the 'he had 1 good season brigade', I guess people are referring to his first season with City, right? When he was trusted with the number 1 GK spot other Given?

But in my memory, he also had a very good season the year before that one with Birmingham, and maybe my mind is playing tricks but I thought he even got young player of the year award? I know it was probably due to bias towards British players, but I really have the memory of a very solid season with Birmingham from him, despite his young age.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
Concerning the 'he had 1 good season brigade', I guess people are referring to his first season with City, right? When he was trusted with the number 1 GK spot other Given?

But in my memory, he also had a very good season the year before that one with Birmingham, and maybe my mind is playing tricks but I thought he even got young player of the year award? I know it was probably due to bias towards British players, but I really have the memory of a very solid season with Birmingham from him, despite his young age.
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I think what people mean is one good season at the top. Of course anyone who gets to the top needs to have have good seasons to make it there. IMO once he did he got cocky. You compare that with De Gea who came in with some adjustment to do but now looks a top class keeper. Hart has regressed in the last two years maybe because he felt he had already made it and what you see in comparison with the DDG is that he spent his time concentrating on getting better and Hart thought he was already great.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
Concerning the 'he had 1 good season brigade', I guess people are referring to his first season with City, right? When he was trusted with the number 1 GK spot other Given?
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No, I think people are referring to the 2011/12 season when City won the league. Hart was excellent that year and I don't think I can remember a single mistake he made. The season after (2012/13) he was awful and personally cost City a handful of points with his mistakes which led to goals - the standout game probably being Southampton away which really gave us the upper hand in the title race.

 
He's still one of the most technically flawed goalkeepers in the division. Weak concentration, struggles aerially, can't kick and is scandalous when it comes to getting down to his left side. He's also a massive prick.
 
His funniest blunders are when he wanders out side of his area in his "this is what top keepers do" impression and invariably ends up ballsing it up but the more telling errors are the number of times he's beaten at the near post and his left-hand side. The out-of-his-box mistakes can just be put down to errors in concentration that can and in all honesty should be straight forward to stamp out, but the other is a more worrying sign of lack of ability.
 
2 games in a row where he has hesitated over a goalkick, passed it with little pace to a defender a few yards away with his back to an onrushing attacker.
Demechelis (sp) got the blame in the derby and no doubt Hart will be blameless tonight.
 
cyberman said:
2 games in a row where he has hesitated over a goalkick, passed it with little pace to a defender a few yards away with his back to an onrushing attacker.
Demechelis (sp) got the blame in the derby and no doubt Hart will be blameless tonight.
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Strange bump. He saved his third penalty in a row in Europe tonight and you focus on something that was entirely the fault of Fernando's. Demichelis got the blame last time because it was his fecking fault too for giving a horribly undercooked pass to Hart.
 
BobbyManc said:
Strange bump. He saved his third penalty in a row in Europe tonight and you focus on something that was entirely the fault of Fernando's. Demichelis got the blame last time because it was his fecking fault too for giving a horribly undercooked pass to Hart.
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For me Hart is more at fault than fernando, he can see everything while fernando has his back to the rest of the field and chooses to play the ball out into a dangerous situation, he realises this was a mistake before the ball even reaches fernando as he starts gesturing towards another player for him to pass to

Instead of getting back on his line he then just stands there pointing while watching everything happen from 2-3 yards outside his goal, its completely sloppy from both players but hart has the opportunity to see the danger to begin with and stop the whole thing happening and doesnt
 
BobbyManc said:
Strange bump. He saved his third penalty in a row in Europe tonight and you focus on something that was entirely the fault of Fernando's. Demichelis got the blame last time because it was his fecking fault too for giving a horribly undercooked pass to Hart.
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Was a very stupid pass
 
BobbyManc said:
Strange bump. He saved his third penalty in a row in Europe tonight and you focus on something that was entirely the fault of Fernando's. Demichelis got the blame last time because it was his fecking fault too for giving a horribly undercooked pass to Hart.
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Its his decision making. Both horrible slow passes to a defender with his back to play. Whats the point of it? Why put that defender in that position?
The two defenders had no clue what was behind them and I cannot blame them. You wouldn't play a square pass like that in the middle of the pitch why is it ok that deep?
What is the defender meant to do? Hold it up? Pass it wide to where the fullback will be under pressure since the opposition is pushed up anyway, They had no space to play it out. Look at PSG front 3. They are pushed high up on that goalkick ffs.
Look at the incident in the derby. Hart hesitates and pulls out of 2 other short passes so Martial and Lingard pushed up since it was obvious where he was playing it and he still played it to Demechilles (sp)
its not all Harts fault but he takes a lot of the blame.
 
cyberman said:
Its his decision making. Both horrible slow passes to a defender with his back to play. Whats the point of it? Why put that defender in that position?
The two defenders had no clue what was behind them and I cannot blame them. You wouldn't play a square pass like that in the middle of the pitch why is it ok that deep?
What is the defender meant to do? Hold it up? Pass it wide to where the fullback will be under pressure since the opposition is pushed up anyway, They had no space to play it out. Look at PSG front 3. They are pushed high up on that goalkick ffs.
Look at the incident in the derby. Hart hesitates and pulls out of 2 other short passes so Martial and Lingard pushed up since it was obvious where he was playing it and he still played it to Demechilles (sp)
its not all Harts fault but he takes a lot of the blame.
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Not having any of it, it's entirely Fernando's fault. He can either pass it back to Hart or Sagna, as Hart gestured. No excuse whatsoever for what he did, he had time to turn and run or pass it, he had a total lack of concentration in allowing Ibra to get so close and then to half-heartedly kick it away without any purpose.
 
cyberman said:
You wouldn't play a square pass like that in the middle of the pitch why is it ok that deep?
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Of course you would. Fernando still has loads of space when he receives the ball. What you wouldn't do in the middle of the pitch is take a shit touch and stand there flat footed. He could have easily played it back to Hart or Sagna/Otamendi (whoever is standing there) or even turned it to the right and opened up field.

 
BobbyManc said:
Not having any of it, it's entirely Fernando's fault. He can either pass it back to Hart or Sagna, as Hart gestured. No excuse whatsoever for what he did, he had time to turn and run or pass it, he had a total lack of concentration in allowing Ibra to get so close and then to half-heartedly kick it away without any purpose.
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Agree with you on that but out of interest do you think Pep's supposed interest in Ter Stegen has put some doubts into Hart's head and he's trying to prove that he can pass out from the back. Personally don't think that style of goalkeeping suits him at all or is it something you've been doing all season?
 
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