What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

[FlawlessVictory88]

When will people stop pushing for us to sign this hothead? The bloke got away with a small ban in December for swinging elbows and ripping glasses off a staff member's face. He is now facing a lengthy ban for multiple offences yesterday including a headbutt and a kick. Imagine if he behaved like this at United? Everyone would be calling him a disgrace.

But yeah, let's sell a 20 year old Garnacho so we can afford Cunha, because at least when he's not suspended, he slots into Amorim's very specific formation.

Yeah because Keane and Cantona were notoriously chilled.

 

[Godfather]

We need two new strikers. Top class ones. Another wing back. A number 8. A left number 10 and a new keeper. Let's see if INEOS deliver

 

[Rockets Redglare]

Yeah because Keane and Cantona were notoriously chilled.

They were also absolutely brilliant footballers. Cunha is decent, that’s about it.

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

They were also absolutely brilliant footballers. Cunha is decent, that’s about it.

Cantona was not thought of as brilliant before we signed him, otherwise we wouldn't have been able to sign him.

What player that's a viable signing for us this summer is on the level of Keane or Cantona?

 

[soapythecat]

We need a tactically astute manager before we buy any more players. We weren’t this bad under ETH and we were shite under him.

 

[Godfather]

We must finally move all of our sicknotes on too. Costing us a fortune without contributing anything. Shaw, Mount and possibley Martinez. Players that simply can't stay fit should have no place here

 

[Godfather]

We need a tactically astute manager before we buy any more players. We weren’t this bad under ETH and we were shite under him.

Disagree. This bunch we have right now are absolute dross. Zirkzee and Hojlund as starting strikers ffs. Nobody can work with that crap. Same with our left side number 10. We have no one. And our keeper sucks too.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

Yeah because Keane and Cantona were notoriously chilled.

Yeah because we have the same strength in depth to cover for suspensions as we did in the 90s.

 

[soapythecat]

Disagree. This bunch we have right now are absolute dross. Zirkzee and Hojlund as starting strikers ffs. Nobody can work with that crap. Same with our left side number 10. We have no one. And our keeper sucks too.

So we let Amorim build a squad after been outplayed and out fought in all but 1 or 2 games since he arrived?
He shouldn’t be allowed to take training on Tuesday, let alone another teamtalk. fecking useless.

 

[Godfather]

So we let Amorim build a squad after been outplayed and out fought in all but 1 or 2 games since he arrived?
He shouldn’t be allowed to take training on Tuesday, let alone another teamtalk. fecking useless.

Every team needs proper strikers so there. Same with the keeper position and the midfield position. These need upgrading irrespective of who is coaching us

 

[SNes]

New manager who plays attacking football

 

[soapythecat]

Every team needs proper strikers so there. Same with the keeper position and the midfield position. These need upgrading irrespective of who is coaching us

Hojlund could score goals under ETH. We hardly make a threat on goals under Amorim so it clearly is a system issue.

 

[Chip]

I guess new owners, new executives, new manager, new scouts, new facilities, and a new squad (I guess around 80% needs replacing) for starters.

 

[Strachan8]

Glazers and Ineos need to sell shares at a big discount to Tony Bloom and give him control of all recruitment.

 

[Godfather]

Hojlund could score goals under ETH. We hardly make a threat on goals under Amorim so it clearly is a system issue.

Not enough and he is allround game isn't good enough either. Needs replacing asap.

 

[soapythecat]

Not enough and he is allround game isn't good enough either. Needs replacing asap.

Let’s give him time in a team that attacks before getting rid. We can’t get rid of another player whilst Amorim is still here.

 

[daba]

Hojlund’s running out of games to prove himself and despite Zirkzee’s slight improvement, he’s simply lacks the required pace and intensity to be a top AM or ST in the prem. We should cut our losses with Hojlund and get as much of money back on Zirkzee as we can.

If there’s any sniff of Gyokeres being interested then he has to be our biggest priority. Sell Hojlund and Zirkzee, get Gyokeres and Welbeck in, with Chido bedded in over the next couple of years.

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

Yeah because we have the same strength in depth to cover for suspensions as we did in the 90s.

So what? It doesn't change the larger point that two of the best player in the club's history were hot heads. Are you suggesting that we should have avoided signing Keane and Cantona if we didn't have squad depth?

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

So what? It doesn't change the larger point that two of the best player in the club's history were hot heads. Are you suggesting that we should have avoided signing Keane and Cantona if we didn't have squad depth?

I never suggested that mate. You were the one who brought up Keane and Cantona.

I don't want to sell Garnacho just so we can afford to sign a player from Wolves who is 5 years older than him, not a huge upgrade in terms of ability, and a huge downgrade in terms of availability due to his temperament.

 

[Woziak]

New manager who plays attacking football

Absolutely this guy should only stay if the board are 100% convinced a rookie with no PL experience can change a 54% loss rate, I can’t see it.

His teams are set up too defensively and let’s be honest in his 25 matches that he’s coached, I can’t count maybe 2 and half matches where I’ve been impressed.

I keep saying that Xavi is available, he’s free and available. He will play 433 4231 and may just get more out of this current squad?

RA just paces up and down the technical area installing anxiety and fear amongst the players, he tried saying that wining a cup wouldn’t tell him anything about his team because the aim was to win the EPL.

I genuinely think he’s so out of his depth that had West Ham got him, they might have been relegated and had Liverpool taking the punt, outside the Top 6!

He had the chance to keep two players that he agreed to let go out on loan and then Amad got injured, that’s on him, he pissed off Rashford when he could have have zipped up used him til the end of the season and then pushed him out, so on that front at best he’s naive, at worst completely incompetent!

You only move players out when you have competent replacements. Ruben Amorim is definitely at fault for that!

How many players has Ruben Amorim improved ?
Onana - Nope because he should have told him to speed up when he has the ball.
Bayinder - Maybe
MDL - Maybe
N Mazraoui - Nope
L Martinez - Nope
H Maguire - Yes
T Mallacia - Nope
V Lindelof- Nope
L Yoro - Nope
L Shaw - Nope
Ugarte - Yes
K Mainoo - Nope
Bruno - Maybe
Dalot - Nope
Amad - Yes
Eriksen - Nope
Casemiro - Nope
T Collyer - Maybe
M Rashford- Definitely Not
M Mount - Nope
Garnaucho - Nope
Zirkzee - Nope
Hojlund - Definitely Not
Antony - Definitely Not

Ruben’s apparently told half the players they are not wanted next season and then he wonders why they are not playing his weird system for him!

You seriously couldn’t make this up yet still fans continue to defend him, Omar Berrada and Jason Wilcox should have reigned him in months ago but they are not strong enough to do so because they are still finding their feet in roles, neither are familiar with, they both did significantly different jobs previously at Man City and Southampton, only Ashworth went from DOF to DOF and told everyone Amorim wouldn’t work but he got sacked for speaking up and having different opinions to the others, huge mistake and we’ll soon realise how much?

 

[SamoyedSam]

I never suggested that mate. You were the one who brought up Keane and Cantona.

I don't want to sell Garnacho just so we can afford to sign a player from Wolves who is 5 years older than him, not a huge upgrade in terms of ability, and a huge downgrade in terms of availability due to his temperament.

Garnacho is not even close to Cunha for goals.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

Garnacho is not even close to Cunha for goals.

His ceiling is still very high though. Also, no one is scoring goals under this shit manager.

 

[Woziak]

His ceiling is still very high though. Also, no one is scoring goals under this shit manager.

Finally someone agrees with me, he won’t get more than £50m in the summer to spend and probably 7 or 8 matches next season if he has less than 12 points after those games, he’ll be gone!

Enfact if doesn’t get 45 points by the end of the season, I think they’ll sack him!

 

[Amira]

Absolutely this guy should only stay if the board are 100% convinced a rookie with no PL experience can change a 54% loss rate, I can’t see it.

His teams are set up too defensively and let’s be honest in his 25 matches that he’s coached, I can’t count maybe 2 and half matches where I’ve been impressed.

I keep saying that Xavi is available, he’s free and available. He will play 433 4231 and may just get more out of this current squad?

RA just paces up and down the technical area installing anxiety and fear amongst the players, he tried saying that wining a cup wouldn’t tell him anything about his team because the aim was to win the EPL.

I genuinely think he’s so out of his depth that had West Ham got him, they might have been relegated and had Liverpool taking the punt, outside the Top 6!

He had the chance to keep two players that he agreed to let go out on loan and then Amad got injured, that’s on him, he pissed off Rashford when he could have have zipped up used him til the end of the season and then pushed him out, so on that front at best he’s naive, at worst completely incompetent!

You only move players out when you have competent replacements. Ruben Amorim is definitely at fault for that!

How many players has Ruben Amorim improved ?
Onana - Nope because he should have told him to speed up when he has the ball.
Bayinder - Maybe
MDL - Maybe
N Mazraoui - Nope
L Martinez - Nope
H Maguire - Yes
T Mallacia - Nope
V Lindelof- Nope
L Yoro - Nope
L Shaw - Nope
Ugarte - Yes
K Mainoo - Nope
Bruno - Maybe
Dalot - Nope
Amad - Yes
Eriksen - Nope
Casemiro - Nope
T Collyer - Maybe
M Rashford- Definitely Not
M Mount - Nope
Garnaucho - Nope
Zirkzee - Nope
Hojlund - Definitely Not
Antony - Definitely Not

Ruben’s apparently told half the players they are not wanted next season and then he wonders why they are not playing his weird system for him!

You seriously couldn’t make this up yet still fans continue to defend him, Omar Berrada and Jason Wilcox should have reigned him in months ago but they are not strong enough to do so because they are still finding their feet in roles, neither are familiar with, they both did significantly different jobs previously at Man City and Southampton, only Ashworth went from DOF to DOF and told everyone Amorim wouldn’t work but he got sacked for speaking up and having different opinions to the others, huge mistake and we’ll soon realise how much?

I also thought it was strange we didnt pursue Xavi.

 

[groovyalbert]

New owners
New manager
New physio
New scouts
New stadium
New goalkeeper
New wingback
New defenders
New midfielders
New wingers
New striker

Other than that we're good to go

 

[Woziak]

I also thought it was strange we didnt pursue Xavi.

And I get called out for making a suggestion when it was clear we were looking at him at the same time as Amorim, we spent £14m to get a system manager out of his job when Xavi would have cost nothing and had won a far more prestigious league, rather than sacrifice Mainoo and Garnaucho get a coach in that they will look up to and he’ll play a system that they can shine in?

That £14m may have paid for a striker to be loaned in January 2025 like Muani who’s doing well at Juventus right now. SPINEOS probably have one more chance to get this right because if they back Amorim, instead of wining the PL in 27/28 season, they might be trying to get out the championship!

 

[daba]

His ceiling is still very high though. Also, no one is scoring goals under this shit manager.

Still baffles me that people are continuing to direct blame solely at the manager. The squad is crap and been destroyed by injuries yet again. We’re still giving minutes to Lindelof, playing Dalot at LWB, and only have Hojlund as a no.9 for gods sake. Hes not blameless, but let’s not forget how bad this squad is.

Finally someone agrees with me, he won’t get more than £50m in the summer to spend and probably 7 or 8 matches next season if he has less than 12 points after those games, he’ll be gone!

Enfact if doesn’t get 45 points by the end of the season, I think they’ll sack him!

You’ve changed your tune. Yesterday we had £300m to spend in the summer? If you don’t think Amorim is good enough, why would you be wasting your time dissecting how bad the current squad is and demanding another ‘open heart’ surgery?

Stop being so reactionary.

 

[2 man midfield]

———————New GK——————
——-Yoro—De Ligt—-Martinez—-
Quenda—Ugarte-New CM-Dorgu
——-New AM———-Bruno————
——————-New CF———————

We’re gonna have to do some serious selling to plug these holes. Garnacho is surely getting sold to pay for it, and we’ll probably only be able to afford 4 or 5 Dorgu level signings.

 

[wolvored]

A miracle now.

 

[wolvored]

And I get called out for making a suggestion when it was clear we were looking at him at the same time as Amorim, we spent £14m to get a system manager out of his job when Xavi would have cost nothing and had won a far more prestigious league, rather than sacrifice Mainoo and Garnaucho get a coach in that they will look up to and he’ll play a system that they can shine in?

That £14m may have paid for a striker to be loaned in January 2025 like Muani who’s doing well at Juventus right now. SPINEOS probably have one more chance to get this right because if they back Amorim, instead of wining the PL in 27/28 season, they might be trying to get out the championship!

Xavi reportedly turned Utd down. Thats why they went for Amorim.

 

[VivaRonaldo85]

———————New GK——————
——-Yoro—De Ligt—-Martinez—-
Quenda—Ugarte-New CM-Dorgu
——-New AM———-Bruno————
——————-New CF———————

We’re gonna have to do some serious selling to plug these holes. Garnacho is surely getting sold to pay for it, and we’ll probably only be able to afford 4 or 5 Dorgu level signings.

I’d say Amad does the job of the New AM but the other 4 are this summer priorities. Probably need two CFs given the dross we currently have in that area.

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

I never suggested that mate. You were the one who brought up Keane and Cantona.

I don't want to sell Garnacho just so we can afford to sign a player from Wolves who is 5 years older than him, not a huge upgrade in terms of ability, and a huge downgrade in terms of availability due to his temperament.

I brought up Keane and Cantona because another poster said we shouldn't be signing Cunha because he's a hot head.

Your response was nonsense about squad depth which then leads to the logical question of would you still have signed Cantona and Keane if we had less depth?

Cunha is on course to finish the season with 20 premier league goals and almost double figure assists. So you've got your work cut out that he's not an upgrade on a player with 3 league goals of which 2 were against Southampton and Leicester in games we were already winning 2-0.

Goals/Assists/dribbles per game/chances created/key passes/total passes/through balls. Cunha is miles ahead of Garnacho on all of these and more, so what evidence do you have that he's not an upgrade?

This is before we even get to Garnacho's temperament which Amorim has to constantly explain every time he throws his toys out of the pram.

 

[Woziak]

Still baffles me that people are continuing to direct blame solely at the manager. The squad is crap and been destroyed by injuries yet again. We’re still giving minutes to Lindelof, playing Dalot at LWB, and only have Hojlund as a no.9 for gods sake. Hes not blameless, but let’s not forget how bad this squad is.


You’ve changed your tune. Yesterday we had £300m to spend in the summer? If you don’t think Amorim is good enough, why would you be wasting your time dissecting how bad the current squad is and demanding another ‘open heart’ surgery?

Stop being so reactionary.

Jesus, this is simple without European football and that includes Europa League we can not spend £200-300m even if we sell 8 or 9 players because, financially we are on life support and won’t have the European revenue needed. If the club lost £115m last accounting year when we had 6 CL games included, what sort of situation do you see next season without European football.

They will not spend more than the club can afford, no one is putting any more cash in the club unless they get more shares and that’s not happening, the club needs to manage itself out of this situation or hopefully the Glazers sell their controlling shares to the highest bidder who wants to pay the debt off so we can compete in transfer market again. I don’t think Amorim or most of the staff realise how important European football is right now to United.

I genuinely thought the players would get up for the Fa Cup and had a good chance to win it, how wrong was I?

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

I brought up Keane and Cantona because another poster said we shouldn't be signing Cunha because he's a hot head.

Your response was nonsense about squad depth which then leads to the logical question of would you still have signed Cantona and Keane if we had less depth?

Cunha is on course to finish the season with 20 premier league goals and almost double figure assists. So you've got your work cut out that he's not an upgrade on a player with 3 league goals of which 2 were against Southampton and Leicester in games we were already winning 2-0.

Goals/Assists/dribbles per game/chances created/key passes/total passes/through balls. Cunha is miles ahead of Garnacho on all of these and more, so what evidence do you have that he's not an upgrade?

This is before we even get to Garnacho's temperament which Amorim has to constantly explain every time he throws his toys out of the pram.

It's hardly nonsense to point out that if Cunha kicks off again next season in a United shirt and gets himself lengthy bans then we would lack the squad depth to cover for his absence in the same way we did with Cantona and Keane. He also isn't the generational talent that those two players were, so it's not worth the risk. The warning signs are there with Cunha. One headloss can be excused. Twice in a season is a red flag when scouting a potential 62m signing.

Discuss Garnacho's temperament all you like. At least he's never behaved in a violent way that's resulted in a lengthy suspension.

 

[Woziak]

Xavi reportedly turned Utd down. Thats why they went for Amorim.

If that is true than that wouldn’t explain why he’s thrown his name back in the ring for the job, apparently he said he wanted 1 year off then he would be interested in coaching a top side again!

 

[G97]

We need a tactically astute manager before we buy any more players. We weren’t this bad under ETH and we were shite under him.

Stupid boring take. No manager could get anything out of this mob. We have the worst goalkeeper in the league and worst striker in the league with a load of crap in between them.
If you can’t see why we are worse than under Ten Hag you have no long term vision and want instantaneous and therefore unsustainable success.
Amirom has been hired with his plan and his system.

I have no idea what some fans on here expect when you have a squad filled with not even mediocre players with inflated egos and massive salaries.

 

[2 man midfield]

I’d say Amad does the job of the New AM but the other 4 are this summer priorities. Probably need two CFs given the dross we currently have in that area.

Yeah probably, I just think we’re so light in attacking areas that we’re going to need one. Especially if Rashford, Garnacho and Antony leave. Mount is perma crocked, Bruno is another year older, etc.

 

[NZT-One]

And I get called out for making a suggestion when it was clear we were looking at him at the same time as Amorim, we spent £14m to get a system manager out of his job when Xavi would have cost nothing and had won a far more prestigious league, rather than sacrifice Mainoo and Garnaucho get a coach in that they will look up to and he’ll play a system that they can shine in?

That £14m may have paid for a striker to be loaned in January 2025 like Muani who’s doing well at Juventus right now. SPINEOS probably have one more chance to get this right because if they back Amorim, instead of wining the PL in 27/28 season, they might be trying to get out the championship!

Seriously mate, whats wrong with you? You sing the praise for a player yet don't manage to spell is name correctly in what feels like dozen of posts?! Its hardly a difficult one.

If that is true than that wouldn’t explain why he’s thrown his name back in the ring for the job, apparently he said he wanted 1 year off then he would be interested in coaching a top side again!

Thats us out anyways then.

 

[NZT-One]

I'd love to ask an expert what he thinks about the ongoing debate in here in terms of what magnitude the starting formation has. It is crazy reading so many people crying out for going back to 4 at the back when we failed to play well in such formations as well, even for way longer. And even more crazy given the squad that is available right now due to injury. There is nothing in a 4-2-3-1 that can't also be achieved from a 3-4-3 starting position.

 

[Tallis]

I'd love to ask an expert what he thinks about the ongoing debate in here in terms of what magnitude the starting formation has. It is crazy reading so many people crying out for going back to 4 at the back when we failed to play well in such formations as well, even for way longer. And even more crazy given the squad that is available right now due to injury. There is nothing in a 4-2-3-1 that can't also be achieved from a 3-4-3 starting position.

The media is pushing the agenda to change as they know that if Amorim changes, he is basically finished at that point. The club struggled under ETH in a different formation so there is no reason to expect that we will get better results with a formation which the manager doesn't even play.