What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

We need two new strikers. Top class ones. Another wing back. A number 8. A left number 10 and a new keeper. Let's see if INEOS deliver
Personally, I think there's about zero chance we sign two "top class" strikers. I think we're more likely to target one younger player; Delap or someone similar who has not fully reached their full potential.

Let's take your vision though. So we have:

Striker: top class addition, top class addition, Holjund, Zirkzee
LAM: Bruno, addition, Garnacho
RAM: Amad, Mount
CM: Addition, Mainoo
DM: Ugarte, Casemiro, Collyer

Seems like too many players? This has Garnacho, Mainoo, and multiple additions all as backups? I image you want to sell a lot of the extra guys, but I don't see many of the backups on this list having much of a market outside of Garnacho/Mainoo.

I think one striker will do, we can skip the CAM and GK (Onana isn't great but I just don't see this being prioritized this year), and just add a striker, CM, and RWB as the main adds. Maybe a young backup GK or other prospects.
 
Ultimately, I think what we need the most is a hard cut from players who are not good enough and still have market value. Players like Dalot, Garnacho and Hojlund.
 
When will people stop pushing for us to sign this hothead? The bloke got away with a small ban in December for swinging elbows and ripping glasses off a staff member's face. He is now facing a lengthy ban for multiple offences yesterday including a headbutt and a kick. Imagine if he behaved like this at United? Everyone would be calling him a disgrace.

But yeah, let's sell a 20 year old Garnacho so we can afford Cunha, because at least when he's not suspended, he slots into Amorim's very specific formation.
Not signing Cunha is fine but who would you recommend for the L10?
 
Personally, I think there's about zero chance we sign two "top class" strikers. I think we're more likely to target one younger player; Delap or someone similar who has not fully reached their full potential.

Let's take your vision though. So we have:

Striker: top class addition, top class addition, Holjund, Zirkzee
LAM: Bruno, addition, Garnacho
RAM: Amad, Mount
CM: Addition, Mainoo
DM: Ugarte, Casemiro, Collyer

Seems like too many players? This has Garnacho, Mainoo, and multiple additions all as backups? I image you want to sell a lot of the extra guys, but I don't see many of the backups on this list having much of a market outside of Garnacho/Mainoo.

I think one striker will do, we can skip the CAM and GK (Onana isn't great but I just don't see this being prioritized this year), and just add a striker, CM, and RWB as the main adds. Maybe a young backup GK or other prospects.

I'd move both Zirkzee and Hojlund on yes. A CAM is a must in my opinion. I don't rate Garnacho there and if a good offer comesin I'd be tempted to sell him too.
 
Stupid boring take. No manager could get anything out of this mob. We have the worst goalkeeper in the league and worst striker in the league with a load of crap in between them.
If you can’t see why we are worse than under Ten Hag you have no long term vision and want instantaneous and therefore unsustainable success.
Amirom has been hired with his plan and his system.

I have no idea what some fans on here expect when you have a squad filled with not even mediocre players with inflated egos and massive salaries.
You don’t understand PL football mate. Conte may have won the league using 343 but he regularly switched to a back four. Emery the other night started 343 against Palace but changed to 433 when it wasn’t going well.
ETH did have something out of this mob occasionally and won the FA cup last season. I’m not suggesting for one minute he should have stayed but he did a much better job than Amorim.
A more reactive and tactically astute manager would be doing better than this. I don’t know what fans like you see that suggests he can do anything here beyond keep us rooted towards the bottom of the table. Look at form, goals and stats since he joined - there is nothing good there other that a regular shape of 7 guys defending and no one attacking. Players are doing what they are told and their confidence has dropped out of their arse.
But yeah, let’s keep him and let him build.
 
Seriously mate, whats wrong with you? You sing the praise for a player yet don't manage to spell is name correctly in what feels like dozen of posts?! Its hardly a difficult one.

Thats us out anyways then.
What’s wrong with me, well clearly my rage got the better of me after another abject performance by the club, causing me to spell poor ‘Alejandro Ganaucho’name incorrectly, all this while our delusional Manager’s latest comments are that the club is on the right track and has title wining potential!
This is the same coach that called this Man United team; “The worst in history!”


Do you think maybe the hierarchy at the club do the right thing and put a gagging order on Mr Amorim?

After which, when Rooney rightly calls him out for being naive, Ruben has a little reverse dig saying that he’s Man United Coach at 40 almost making some of the gullible fan base think; “ look at our great manager, he just put Wayne in his place!”

Yes the same Wayne Rooney, you know the guy that won multiple Premier League Titles and played in 3 champions league finals

That’s just another stupid comment by our anointed great Head Coach, where it would be much better to just say nothing, but no he continues making more Rookie 101 mistakes and more Fans like you are continuing to back him, when this ends in real tears in November 2025 as most of us can see and then when we have 10 or 11 points from the first 12 PL games, staring into the real abyss of a genuine relegation battle, then what Mr positive?
 
I think that we need to embrace reality which is

a- we're running low on funds
b- we're not going to win the league at least in the next 5 years. Thus any 27+ player would be on the wane by the time we're on top
c- we're not going to buy the best players thus we either get players who would take us to the top 4 journey and will need to be replaced or young talent
d- we need a lot of players as this squad is tripe

Now let's start with every position

GK: Onana is on 120k a week and he keeps messing up. He makes the defense nervous which makes everything shaky. I'd go for Vanja Milinkovic-Savic. He's fearless and he's literally a giant. On top of that he's got 1.5 years left in his contract. Hopefully the two sales would even things out with some cash going to our club.

DR: I'd sell Dalot. He's useless there. It's evident that the manager wants Quenda. I think he's too young for the role but oh well
DC: Evans and Lindelof are leaving on a free while Martinez is injury prone. I'd say we need another CB. Callum Doyle could do well as a LCB as long as we get him at the right price.
LB: If Malacia leaves then he would need replacement. Someone on a free like Tyrick Mitchell or Regulon could do the trick

CM: Eriksen is leaving and hopefully Casemiro will join him. Stiller would be a nice addition as he can play both the DM and MC role. Collyer and Kone will have to step up.

AMC: I'd sell Rashford, Garnacho and Antony if possible. Bruno Fernandes needs to return in the AMC role with Diallo as cover/competition. This is the one position I think we should go big. I'd go for Dybling and Nypan for a combined fee of around 60m. Southampton are getting relegated and Nypan fan

STK: Id get rid of Hojlund and Zirkzee if possible. Atalanta still rate Hojlund which means that they might be interested in a deal for Retegui (43m clause) were Hojlund is involved. Zirkzee is too slow for no 10 and not a good scorer as a forward so we should get rid and I'd have a look at David as cover/competition
 
What’s wrong with me, well clearly my rage got the better of me after another abject performance by the club, causing me to spell poor ‘Alejandro Ganaucho’name incorrectly, all this while our delusional Manager’s latest comments are that the club is on the right track and has title wining potential!
This is the same coach that called this Man United team; “The worst in history!”


Do you think maybe the hierarchy at the club do the right thing and put a gagging order on Mr Amorim?

After which, when Rooney rightly calls him out for being naive, Ruben has a little reverse dig saying that he’s Man United Coach at 40 almost making some of the gullible fan base think; “ look at our great manager, he just put Wayne in his place!”

Yes the same Wayne Rooney, you know the guy that won multiple Premier League Titles and played in 3 champions league finals

That’s just another stupid comment by our anointed great Head Coach, where it would be much better to just say nothing, but no he continues making more Rookie 101 mistakes and more Fans like you are continuing to back him, when this ends in real tears in November 2025 as most of us can see and then when we have 10 or 11 points from the first 12 PL games, staring into the real abyss of a genuine relegation battle, then what Mr positive?
Pretty sure the rage still gets the better of you. Especially given that you consider me an opposite just based on calling you out for repeatedly butchering a players name, one you sing such a high praise for especially.

If you start to think clearly again, remind yourself that stuff rarely is bipolar. The fanbase isn't either "critical of Amorim" or "Mr positive who backs him". You are just walking around looking for more reason to make your angry standpoint of "get rid" more backed up. There is no other explanation for why you start to list Rooneys achievements as a player in a debate about the current manager.

The problems we have aren't Amorim specific. Fullbacks incapable of contributing in attack maybe weren't that much of a problem in a back four but don't kid yourself, it contributed to our team being as dull as it is for years. I am not backing this specific manager, I question angry impulsive claims to get rid of him without any plan how to go forward.
 
I think that we need to embrace reality which is

a- we're running low on funds
b- we're not going to win the league at least in the next 5 years. Thus any 27+ player would be on the wane by the time we're on top
c- we're not going to buy the best players thus we either get players who would take us to the top 4 journey and will need to be replaced or young talent
d- we need a lot of players as this squad is tripe

Now let's start with every position

GK: Onana is on 120k a week and he keeps messing up. He makes the defense nervous which makes everything shaky. I'd go for Vanja Milinkovic-Savic. He's fearless and he's literally a giant. On top of that he's got 1.5 years left in his contract. Hopefully the two sales would even things out with some cash going to our club.

DR: I'd sell Dalot. He's useless there. It's evident that the manager wants Quenda. I think he's too young for the role but oh well
DC: Evans and Lindelof are leaving on a free while Martinez is injury prone. I'd say we need another CB. Callum Doyle could do well as a LCB as long as we get him at the right price.
LB: If Malacia leaves then he would need replacement. Someone on a free like Tyrick Mitchell or Regulon could do the trick

CM: Eriksen is leaving and hopefully Casemiro will join him. Stiller would be a nice addition as he can play both the DM and MC role. Collyer and Kone will have to step up.

AMC: I'd sell Rashford, Garnacho and Antony if possible. Bruno Fernandes needs to return in the AMC role with Diallo as cover/competition. This is the one position I think we should go big. I'd go for Dybling and Nypan for a combined fee of around 60m. Southampton are getting relegated and Nypan fan

STK: Id get rid of Hojlund and Zirkzee if possible. Atalanta still rate Hojlund which means that they might be interested in a deal for Retegui (43m clause) were Hojlund is involved. Zirkzee is too slow for no 10 and not a good scorer as a forward so we should get rid and I'd have a look at David as cover/competition
We shouldn't spend 60m on two teenagers while not fixing our problems. Retegui and Stiller are good players but I am sceptical whether they could cope with the EPL pace. I'd buy only one of Quenda/Nypan/Dibling (I don't mind who as they're all talented), get a faster CM than Stiller and go for Osimhen as CF (if his wage demands are not stupid). I agree with you to sell Onana, Dalot and Hojlund.
 
You don’t understand PL football mate. Conte may have won the league using 343 but he regularly switched to a back four. Emery the other night started 343 against Palace but changed to 433 when it wasn’t going well.
ETH did have something out of this mob occasionally and won the FA cup last season. I’m not suggesting for one minute he should have stayed but he did a much better job than Amorim.
A more reactive and tactically astute manager would be doing better than this. I don’t know what fans like you see that suggests he can do anything here beyond keep us rooted towards the bottom of the table. Look at form, goals and stats since he joined - there is nothing good there other that a regular shape of 7 guys defending and no one attacking. Players are doing what they are told and their confidence has dropped out of their arse.
But yeah, let’s keep him and let him build.

I don’t think you understand that managers can come in and change tactics and can be successful. When Pep joined everyone was smugly claiming he couldn’t play his style… he did. He’s dominated after a dodgy start. He spent £150million on defenders and signed a new keeper in his first transfer window. Ruben hasn’t been able to do anything like that.

This formation you claim will never work… Is this not the same formation that’s beaten Arsenal, Spurs and City in Europe? When he had better players? Yes. Yes it is.

I’m willing to meet you in San Sebastián on Thursday for a couple of pints to discuss this further? Or are you not going??
 
Midfield is the priority - we need to firm up the middle so that everyone else has more freedom going forward. We need a high energy, pressing CM to partner Ugarte.

Once we do that, we can push the LWB further up the pitch and even play amad at RWB with Leeds defensive responsibility. Ideally we'd then sign a genuinely attacking RWB so we could attack down both wings.

The production issue still exists though. I like Zirkzee but he's more of a foil to other attackers. Might be a bit too early for Amad to pick up the goalscoring mantle (we're talking 25+ goals here) and Bruno hasn't been a 20 goal player for a few years now.
 
We shouldn't spend 60m on two teenagers while not fixing our problems. Retegui and Stiller are good players but I am sceptical whether they could cope with the EPL pace. I'd buy only one of Quenda/Nypan/Dibling (I don't mind who as they're all talented), get a faster CM than Stiller and go for Osimhen as CF (if his wage demands are not stupid). I agree with you to sell Onana, Dalot and Hojlund.
Clubs in our situation tend to have 2 course of action

A- they spend big to secure a squad capable to make top 4 on a regular basis. Then once they can attract top players that can make a difference then they spend more
.
B- they go for young talent, they develop them, they sell for minimum loss/profit those who fail and they build on the rest

We can't afford the former so the latter must do. The messiah strategy (lukaku, cavani, Pogba, sancho Ronaldo, ibra, sanchez) had failed us as well. It's time we build the foundation on young talent with the hunger, the gas in their tank to sweat blood for us and the versatility to adapt

We also have ample experience (Maguire, de ligt, mazraoui, Ugarte, Bruno etc). What we lack is quality, legs and attitude
 
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Clubs in our situation tend to have 2 course of action

A- they spend big to secure a squad capable to make top 4 on a regular basis. Then once they can attract top players that can make a difference then they spend more
.
B- they go for young talent, they develop them, they sell for minimum loss/profit those who fail and they build on the rest

We can't afford the former so the latter must do. The messiah strategy (lukaku, cavani, Pogba, sancho Ronaldo, ibra, sanchez) had failed us as well. It's time we build the foundation on young talent with the hunger, the gas in their tank to sweat blood for us and the versatility to adapt

We also have ample experience (Maguire, de ligt, mazraoui, Ugarte, Bruno etc). What we lack is quality, legs and attitude
Ibra doesn’t deserve to be in that list. Scored 29 goals in his only real season with us and scored the winner in the league cup final and 5 goals en route to our Europa league win.
 
Clubs in our situation tend to have 2 course of action

A- they spend big to secure a squad capable to make top 4 on a regular basis. Then once they can attract top players that can make a difference then they spend more
.
B- they go for young talent, they develop them, they sell for minimum loss/profit those who fail and they build on the rest

We can't afford the former so the latter must do. The messiah strategy (lukaku, cavani, Pogba, sancho Ronaldo, ibra, sanchez) had failed us as well. It's time we build the foundation on young talent with the hunger, the gas in their tank to sweat blood for us and the versatility to adapt

We also have ample experience (Maguire, de ligt, mazraoui, Ugarte, Bruno etc). What we lack is quality, legs and attitude

Lukaku, Cavani, Ibra and even Pogba and Ronaldo had successful spells and very good games with us.

I think we need players of that calibre to at least get back to Europe. Young talent alone won't be enough. We need good players in their prime. If INEOS are to invest we would absolutely have the necessary means. It all depends on how serious they are with us.
 
I think that we need to embrace reality which is

a- we're running low on funds
b- we're not going to win the league at least in the next 5 years. Thus any 27+ player would be on the wane by the time we're on top
c- we're not going to buy the best players thus we either get players who would take us to the top 4 journey and will need to be replaced or young talent
d- we need a lot of players as this squad is tripe

Now let's start with every position

GK: Onana is on 120k a week and he keeps messing up. He makes the defense nervous which makes everything shaky. I'd go for Vanja Milinkovic-Savic. He's fearless and he's literally a giant. On top of that he's got 1.5 years left in his contract. Hopefully the two sales would even things out with some cash going to our club.

DR: I'd sell Dalot. He's useless there. It's evident that the manager wants Quenda. I think he's too young for the role but oh well
DC: Evans and Lindelof are leaving on a free while Martinez is injury prone. I'd say we need another CB. Callum Doyle could do well as a LCB as long as we get him at the right price.
LB: If Malacia leaves then he would need replacement. Someone on a free like Tyrick Mitchell or Regulon could do the trick

CM: Eriksen is leaving and hopefully Casemiro will join him. Stiller would be a nice addition as he can play both the DM and MC role. Collyer and Kone will have to step up.

AMC: I'd sell Rashford, Garnacho and Antony if possible. Bruno Fernandes needs to return in the AMC role with Diallo as cover/competition. This is the one position I think we should go big. I'd go for Dybling and Nypan for a combined fee of around 60m. Southampton are getting relegated and Nypan fan

STK: Id get rid of Hojlund and Zirkzee if possible. Atalanta still rate Hojlund which means that they might be interested in a deal for Retegui (43m clause) were Hojlund is involved. Zirkzee is too slow for no 10 and not a good scorer as a forward so we should get rid and I'd have a look at David as cover/competition

Disagree with Bruno. Don't see him in the AM role at all. He doesn't have the close control necessary for that position. I think the CM/8 suits him well.
 
I don’t think you understand that managers can come in and change tactics and can be successful. When Pep joined everyone was smugly claiming he couldn’t play his style… he did. He’s dominated after a dodgy start. He spent £150million on defenders and signed a new keeper in his first transfer window. Ruben hasn’t been able to do anything like that.

This formation you claim will never work… Is this not the same formation that’s beaten Arsenal, Spurs and City in Europe? When he had better players? Yes. Yes it is.

I’m willing to meet you in San Sebastián on Thursday for a couple of pints to discuss this further? Or are you not going??
Wow, new Top Red has entered the building. Enjoy Spain when you don’t go and come back on here to explain another shite performance. What a guy!
 
Ibra doesn’t deserve to be in that list. Scored 29 goals in his only real season with us and scored the winner in the league cup final and 5 goals en route to our Europa league win.

Lukaku, Cavani, Ibra and even Pogba and Ronaldo had successful spells and very good games with us.

I think we need players of that calibre to at least get back to Europe. Young talent alone won't be enough. We need good players in their prime. If INEOS are to invest we would absolutely have the necessary means. It all depends on how serious they are with us.
That wasn't meant to criticize those players but more to criticize the strategy that brought them here. For too many years we expected 1-2 players to be able to paper on a mountain of cracks. It might work for 1 season but eventually it will be fount out

Regarding the strategy I am old enough to remember the birth of the class of 92. There was a particular game vs Juventus where they absolutely owned us. Lippi added salt on the wound by saying that united are easy to counter. All juve had to do was to block giggs and Eric. Few years later things changed very quickly

Now we hear a million times of the need of an experience core and they are right. However we never hear of the other side of the coin ie a team that had played together for so many years that their communication is almost telepathic. That increase tempo and limit the amount of mistakes. That won't be achieved by buying players in their prime cause by the time they learn that they are not in their prime anymore
 
Been looking at “free agent” managers given our particular situation (where everything needs to be done as cheaply as possible), and there are some interesting candidates out there (if Transfermarkt data is to be believed).

Like Ernesto Valverde, for example.

Pros: an experienced hand by now, has shown the tendency to work with what he has, Athletic Club reached the Copa del Rey final last season and are currently 4th in La Liga, usually employs 4231 or 433 or 442 (which suits the pre-existing squad construction at Manchester United), has managed Barcelona so somewhat accustomed to extraordinary pressure. Also, we are reportedly considering Athletic Club's Director of Football Mikel González, so it could be a twofer?

Cons: did not deliver the greatest Champions League campaigns with an in-transition Barcelona squad with regard to game management so there might be a ceiling to what he can achieve (we don't need to worry about this for the foreseeable future given where we are), style and intent were not as eyecatching as Guardiola or Flick, not very big on giving youth a chance and painstakingly developing them.

https://the-footballanalyst.com/ernesto-valverde-athletic-bilbao-tactical-analysis/
https://barcauniversal.com/the-enigma-of-ernesto-looking-back-on-valverdes-barcelona-reign/

All in all this is a Manuel Pellegrini-esque candidate. The one who precedes managers who are part of the established elite and push the club in Europe (for Pellegrini it was Mourinho and Ancelotti at Real Madrid, and Guardiola at Manchester City).

INEOS are reaping the rewards of appointing an experienced hand who is suited to their pre-existing squad construction at Nice in Franck Haise, enroute to maybe qualifying for the Champions League for the first time since the takeover. Perhaps a similar approach is needed at Manchester United? An evolution rather than a revolution (which we cannot afford due to diminished revenue streams and the sheer scale of the job at hand). Someone who will work with what he has to keep the money flowing (each Champions League qualification is worth almost €100 million on its own and each league position is worth £3 million), while the technical team revamps the squad over 2-3 years, seems to make sense on paper at least.

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https://www.transfermarkt.com/ernesto-valverde/profil/trainer/1559
 
Pretty sure the rage still gets the better of you. Especially given that you consider me an opposite just based on calling you out for repeatedly butchering a players name, one you sing such a high praise for especially.

If you start to think clearly again, remind yourself that stuff rarely is bipolar. The fanbase isn't either "critical of Amorim" or "Mr positive who backs him". You are just walking around looking for more reason to make your angry standpoint of "get rid" more backed up. There is no other explanation for why you start to list Rooneys achievements as a player in a debate about the current manager.

The problems we have aren't Amorim specific. Fullbacks incapable of contributing in attack maybe weren't that much of a problem in a back four but don't kid yourself, it contributed to our team being as dull as it is for years. I am not backing this specific manager, I question angry impulsive claims to get rid of him without any plan how to go forward.
I’m not suggesting we get rid of him, for the last time the owners need to back him or sack him and backing him means investing £250-300m which is why Liverpool did not do it, he need’s specialists and the club handled the situation extremely poorly, just like they did with ETH and Ashworth, my issues are with the ownership model, higher up and I currently have a more than adequate plan!

If we do not have the funds to back Ruben and completely reset the club, then we need a great coach who can get more out of these current players and add maybe the 3 or 4 which will be brought in during the summer, that’s a maximum. We need a great coach who is young and spends a lot of time on the pitch because next season we will only play 1 game per week.

There are some candidates that will not cost the club any money like Xavi, there are others within the PL that might not be everyone’s cup of tea but they know the PL and I guarantee would give you better results than we currently endure as fan base.

Unai Emery has an ego, he might think fixing Man United massages that very ego plus we don’t have a DOF so Monchi might come with him.

If not Emery, then give Raiola a call, we know he’s a great coach and understands the EPL, he also works well with youth and bringing them through, he might want two to three Bournemouth players, even if they are in Europe!
United are still a club that would appeal to these players.

I would even look at the young Brighton coach who looks like an incredibly cool customer, Fabian Hurzeler, another coach first who is flexible to switch formation and system.

My point is when was it ever acceptable for any Man United Manager to win 5 from 16 PL games and get 18 points after losing 50% of the matches played?

So for the last time, the club need to either back him(which is a minimum of £200-250m summer investment) or Sack him and interview a list of current Managers that would all improve on our 1.12 points per game and give the club a genuine chance to continue to win trophies.

These are the tough decisions that SJR needs to make when he took control of all footballing matters.
 
I genuinely believe we just need to make some decent signings and it really is as simple as that

I don't think it requires a new-era Cantona, signing the next Ronaldo or unearthing the new Beckham

Just stop signing dud after dud after dud. Signings like Mount are very obviously doomed to failure at the time of signing. Very poor signings.

Get the modern equivalents of Anders Lindegaard, Antonio Valencia, Park ji-Sung and Chicharito and we'd see a massive upturn. Solid, fine signings instead of signing 3 duds every summer.
 
He's 29 so we won't be even considering him.

It's been made clear that we are looking at bringing through younger players.
And your 100% right we have the blind leading the blind
Rookie CEO
Rookie Head Coach
Rookie Players

We won’t sign anyone over the age of 25 in the summer and this is half the problem when a 34 year old Danny wellbeck would walk into our side right now.
 
Our incomings this summer will be explicitly linked to our outgoings. If we can shift Rashford, Antony, Garnacho, Casemiro, Hojland/Zirzkee early doors then we’ll have a decent war chest.

On the above happening, we could sign a dynamic RWB (Quenda) solid CM ( Baleba) LAM (Cunha) and world class striker (Osimhen) Any further sales and we could bring in another CB that is able to push forwards into midfield.

My complete eleven
Onana
De Ligt, New CB, Yoro
Quenda, Ugarte, Baleba, Dorgu
Amad Cunha
Osimhen
 
Must haves for me GK, CB and 2x Forwards
All need to be capable of going straight into the first team, staying fit and having established quality, no young prospects here

Nice to haves would be another WB and potentially 2 Centre Mids esp if we manage to move Casemiro on

If we're sticking With Amorim, and I presume we will, it's more important than ever to get this work done efficiently. Clearly he's been unable to impart his system into the players so far, preseason is absolutely vital and he has to have a full squad as early as possible in that period. There can be no excuses for him next season
 
And your 100% right we have the blind leading the blind
Rookie CEO
Rookie Head Coach
Rookie Players

We won’t sign anyone over the age of 25 in the summer and this is half the problem when a 34 year old Danny wellbeck would walk into our side right now.

We currently have a 17 year old wing back in the Portugese league as our top target because he played a few games under Amorim!

We will be in a relegation battle next season!

People may think that's hyperbolic, but we have gone backwards from last season and seem to be going even further backwards and are going after completely unproven young players!

We should be looking at players in the 22-25 category. Players that have a good body of work that are ready to take the next step forward but we seem to want the team to become a testing ground for players that have potential.

A potential back six next season of Quenda, Yoro, De Ligt, Maguire Dorgu and Onana is arguably the weakest in the league barring the newly promoted clubs.
 
We currently have a 17 year old wing back in the Portugese league as our top target because he played a few games under Amorim!

We will be in a relegation battle next season!

People may think that's hyperbolic, but we have gone backwards from last season and seem to be going even further backwards and are going after completely unproven young players!

We should be looking at players in the 22-25 category. Players that have a good body of work that are ready to take the next step forward but we seem to want the team to become a testing ground for players that have potential.

A potential back six next season of Quenda, Yoro, De Ligt, Maguire Dorgu and Onana is arguably the weakest in the league barring the newly promoted clubs.
Yes, much better to sign 22-25 years old to avoid the Höjlunds, but can we afford it?

That back six isn't too bad, I am much more concerned about the other five.
 
Midfield is the priority - we need to firm up the middle so that everyone else has more freedom going forward. We need a high energy, pressing CM to partner Ugarte.

Once we do that, we can push the LWB further up the pitch and even play amad at RWB with Leeds defensive responsibility. Ideally we'd then sign a genuinely attacking RWB so we could attack down both wings.

The production issue still exists though. I like Zirkzee but he's more of a foil to other attackers. Might be a bit too early for Amad to pick up the goalscoring mantle (we're talking 25+ goals here) and Bruno hasn't been a 20 goal player for a few years now.
We have to play Bruno there because no(!!!) other player we have, has any mentionworthy ability when it comes to passing. Our buildup is broken because of this. The CMs of this era combine that with dribbling ability. Those are the main points we have to look at - as long as those aren't checked, there is no point in looking deeper into a player. When those are checked, I agree, the player has to be contributing against the ball. But I think, the order is very important here.

I’m not suggesting we get rid of him, for the last time the owners need to back him or sack him and backing him means investing £250-300m which is why Liverpool did not do it, he need’s specialists and the club handled the situation extremely poorly, just like they did with ETH and Ashworth, my issues are with the ownership model, higher up and I currently have a more than adequate plan!
You can repeat that as often as you want, the thing with the specialists doesn't still doesn't become correct. The only specialist roles are the wingbacks and Amorim at Sporting made use of several different profiles there. All the other players aren't specialists - I have no clue what you are talking about. You think, Gyokeres in the form of this season wouldn't work at Chelsea? Or Bayern? You think strong ball playing CBs wouldn't work at Liverpool or City? That whole angle is complete BS and the fact that big investments are needed is a given completely irrelevant of the manager. We'll lose a couple of players for sure this summer. Those will have to be replaced, best case upgraded on. NO MATTER WHO THE MANAGER IS.

If we do not have the funds to back Ruben and completely reset the club, then we need a great coach who can get more out of these current players and add maybe the 3 or 4 which will be brought in during the summer, that’s a maximum. We need a great coach who is young and spends a lot of time on the pitch because next season we will only play 1 game per week.
Like Amorim then?

There are some candidates that will not cost the club any money like Xavi, there are others within the PL that might not be everyone’s cup of tea but they know the PL and I guarantee would give you better results than we currently endure as fan base.
You can bring up his name as often as you want, he isn't a surething either. And he will be at least as shocked and borderline unable to make do with the fitness levels and the technical levels of some players we have.

Unai Emery has an ego, he might think fixing Man United massages that very ego plus we don’t have a DOF so Monchi might come with him.

If not Emery, then give Raiola a call, we know he’s a great coach and understands the EPL, he also works well with youth and bringing them through, he might want two to three Bournemouth players, even if they are in Europe!
United are still a club that would appeal to these players.

I would even look at the young Brighton coach who looks like an incredibly cool customer, Fabian Hurzeler, another coach first who is flexible to switch formation and system.
Managers can easily be flexible when they have a squad consisting of capable players that all understand their roles and system. Obviously if that is the case, then it is easy to tinker here and there, use a more defensive option here to take care of a dangerous player for example or start somebody higher up the pitch to push the opposition back. All the managers you mentioned are system coaches. They all require very good fitness levels, very good technical levels. One of the biggest issues in this debate is, that fans have shrugged off stuff for years - Rashford can be worldclass, Bruno is the bestest and worldclassest chance creator, Martinez is the best ball playing CB in the world, McTominay can do a job and is goal threat, Eriksen still offers something, Maguire is more than useful when used the right way, Shaw is worldclass, lets hope he gets fit. No wonder that we now have issues accepting that so many of those players have downsides to their games which makes it borderline impossible to find a working system. We have wingers who want to get on the end of things and score, but they don't contribute in defensive and they are shit at dribbling so the team has to carry them. We have a striker that looked decent when he was fed with crosses and balls into box - but who will feed him? We talked about the wingers, what about Fullbacks? Ah damn, world-class-when-fit Shaw and could-play-in-any-team Dalot cant cross to save their lifes. So maybe no balls to the striker then. Just buy Osimhen because he creates his chances on his own. And thats just one area of the team, the same set of mismatches is to be found in defense and especially in midfield.

But hey, just bring in fecking Xavi, he will find a solution to all of that.

My point is when was it ever acceptable for any Man United Manager to win 5 from 16 PL games and get 18 points after losing 50% of the matches played?
Mate, he isn't the one producing the bad results, it is the team. As said in other thread, I'd see your point if we lose all those games because of style and formation stuff but we concede stupid goals or setpieces, we get outworked and outsmarted. Yet here we are and you are knocking at the door of the guy who is in here since 12 weeks as if he is the one responsible for all this shit.

So for the last time, the club need to either back him(which is a minimum of £200-250m summer investment) or Sack him and interview a list of current Managers that would all improve on our 1.12 points per game and give the club a genuine chance to continue to win trophies.

These are the tough decisions that SJR needs to make when he took control of all footballing matters.
Managers have been backed with money in the last years. Thats not the issue - Amorim or whoever the manager is needs to be backed in terms of infrastructure that is able to provide lists of potential targets.
 
We have to play Bruno there because no(!!!) other player we have, has any mentionworthy ability when it comes to passing. Our buildup is broken because of this. The CMs of this era combine that with dribbling ability. Those are the main points we have to look at - as long as those aren't checked, there is no point in looking deeper into a player. When those are checked, I agree, the player has to be contributing against the ball. But I think, the order is very important here.


You can repeat that as often as you want, the thing with the specialists doesn't still doesn't become correct. The only specialist roles are the wingbacks and Amorim at Sporting made use of several different profiles there. All the other players aren't specialists - I have no clue what you are talking about. You think, Gyokeres in the form of this season wouldn't work at Chelsea? Or Bayern? You think strong ball playing CBs wouldn't work at Liverpool or City? That whole angle is complete BS and the fact that big investments are needed is a given completely irrelevant of the manager. We'll lose a couple of players for sure this summer. Those will have to be replaced, best case upgraded on. NO MATTER WHO THE MANAGER IS.


Like Amorim then?


You can bring up his name as often as you want, he isn't a surething either. And he will be at least as shocked and borderline unable to make do with the fitness levels and the technical levels of some players we have.


Managers can easily be flexible when they have a squad consisting of capable players that all understand their roles and system. Obviously if that is the case, then it is easy to tinker here and there, use a more defensive option here to take care of a dangerous player for example or start somebody higher up the pitch to push the opposition back. All the managers you mentioned are system coaches. They all require very good fitness levels, very good technical levels. One of the biggest issues in this debate is, that fans have shrugged off stuff for years - Rashford can be worldclass, Bruno is the bestest and worldclassest chance creator, Martinez is the best ball playing CB in the world, McTominay can do a job and is goal threat, Eriksen still offers something, Maguire is more than useful when used the right way, Shaw is worldclass, lets hope he gets fit. No wonder that we now have issues accepting that so many of those players have downsides to their games which makes it borderline impossible to find a working system. We have wingers who want to get on the end of things and score, but they don't contribute in defensive and they are shit at dribbling so the team has to carry them. We have a striker that looked decent when he was fed with crosses and balls into box - but who will feed him? We talked about the wingers, what about Fullbacks? Ah damn, world-class-when-fit Shaw and could-play-in-any-team Dalot cant cross to save their lifes. So maybe no balls to the striker then. Just buy Osimhen because he creates his chances on his own. And thats just one area of the team, the same set of mismatches is to be found in defense and especially in midfield.

But hey, just bring in fecking Xavi, he will find a solution to all of that.


Mate, he isn't the one producing the bad results, it is the team. As said in other thread, I'd see your point if we lose all those games because of style and formation stuff but we concede stupid goals or setpieces, we get outworked and outsmarted. Yet here we are and you are knocking at the door of the guy who is in here since 12 weeks as if he is the one responsible for all this shit.


Managers have been backed with money in the last years. Thats not the issue - Amorim or whoever the manager is needs to be backed in terms of infrastructure that is able to provide lists of potential targets.
I truly admire your defiance and sticking by him, the reality is if he gets knocked out of Europe in the next few weeks and the players who came 3rd then 8th decide they want an early holiday this year, SJR will do what he does, sack him and get another coach.

Frank Haise is Sir Jim’s 7th Managerial appointment in 5 and half years of INEOS owning Nice, he joined in July 1st 2024 and he’ll maybe get two years if he continues their good form and finishes in the top 3 he may well be an option because guess what he plays 3421 as well.

He will not tolerate 1.12 points per game, I can assure you of that, he’s a man of very little patience!
 
We currently have a 17 year old wing back in the Portugese league as our top target because he played a few games under Amorim!

We will be in a relegation battle next season!

People may think that's hyperbolic, but we have gone backwards from last season and seem to be going even further backwards and are going after completely unproven young players!

We should be looking at players in the 22-25 category. Players that have a good body of work that are ready to take the next step forward but we seem to want the team to become a testing ground for players that have potential.

A potential back six next season of Quenda, Yoro, De Ligt, Maguire Dorgu and Onana is arguably the weakest in the league barring the newly promoted clubs.

Yes, I do think Quenda is the wrong profile - a point I made in the Quenda thread, where most posters disagreed with me.

Generally agree with you but would expand the age range to 23-27 and put an emphasis on players that have experience in the premier league. We should definitely be shopping in the relegated clubs, or players with expiring contracts.
 
Our incomings this summer will be explicitly linked to our outgoings. If we can shift Rashford, Antony, Garnacho, Casemiro, Hojland/Zirzkee early doors then we’ll have a decent war chest.

On the above happening, we could sign a dynamic RWB (Quenda) solid CM ( Baleba) LAM (Cunha) and world class striker (Osimhen) Any further sales and we could bring in another CB that is able to push forwards into midfield.

My complete eleven
Onana
De Ligt, New CB, Yoro
Quenda, Ugarte, Baleba, Dorgu
Amad Cunha
Osimhen
Your selection of incoming players read well but there's not a hope in hell in of us signing all these players, we are broke.
 
Yes, I do think Quenda is the wrong profile - a point I made in the Quenda thread, where most posters disagreed with me.

Generally agree with you but would expand the age range to 23-27 and put an emphasis on players that have experience in the premier league. We should definitely be shopping in the relegated clubs, or players with expiring contracts.
I agree. Nobody would be linking us to fecking Quenda if Amorim wasnt our manager. He's not a proper winger either, so if we ditch our 3 atb, he would become a misfit. Bad bad signing

Would much rather take a PL player like Kerkez/Ait-Nouri/Robinson.
 
We have to play Bruno there because no(!!!) other player we have, has any mentionworthy ability when it comes to passing. Our buildup is broken because of this. The CMs of this era combine that with dribbling ability. Those are the main points we have to look at - as long as those aren't checked, there is no point in looking deeper into a player. When those are checked, I agree, the player has to be contributing against the ball. But I think, the order is very important here.


You can repeat that as often as you want, the thing with the specialists doesn't still doesn't become correct. The only specialist roles are the wingbacks and Amorim at Sporting made use of several different profiles there. All the other players aren't specialists - I have no clue what you are talking about. You think, Gyokeres in the form of this season wouldn't work at Chelsea? Or Bayern? You think strong ball playing CBs wouldn't work at Liverpool or City? That whole angle is complete BS and the fact that big investments are needed is a given completely irrelevant of the manager. We'll lose a couple of players for sure this summer. Those will have to be replaced, best case upgraded on. NO MATTER WHO THE MANAGER IS.


Like Amorim then?


You can bring up his name as often as you want, he isn't a surething either. And he will be at least as shocked and borderline unable to make do with the fitness levels and the technical levels of some players we have.


Managers can easily be flexible when they have a squad consisting of capable players that all understand their roles and system. Obviously if that is the case, then it is easy to tinker here and there, use a more defensive option here to take care of a dangerous player for example or start somebody higher up the pitch to push the opposition back. All the managers you mentioned are system coaches. They all require very good fitness levels, very good technical levels. One of the biggest issues in this debate is, that fans have shrugged off stuff for years - Rashford can be worldclass, Bruno is the bestest and worldclassest chance creator, Martinez is the best ball playing CB in the world, McTominay can do a job and is goal threat, Eriksen still offers something, Maguire is more than useful when used the right way, Shaw is worldclass, lets hope he gets fit. No wonder that we now have issues accepting that so many of those players have downsides to their games which makes it borderline impossible to find a working system. We have wingers who want to get on the end of things and score, but they don't contribute in defensive and they are shit at dribbling so the team has to carry them. We have a striker that looked decent when he was fed with crosses and balls into box - but who will feed him? We talked about the wingers, what about Fullbacks? Ah damn, world-class-when-fit Shaw and could-play-in-any-team Dalot cant cross to save their lifes. So maybe no balls to the striker then. Just buy Osimhen because he creates his chances on his own. And thats just one area of the team, the same set of mismatches is to be found in defense and especially in midfield.

But hey, just bring in fecking Xavi, he will find a solution to all of that.


Mate, he isn't the one producing the bad results, it is the team. As said in other thread, I'd see your point if we lose all those games because of style and formation stuff but we concede stupid goals or setpieces, we get outworked and outsmarted. Yet here we are and you are knocking at the door of the guy who is in here since 12 weeks as if he is the one responsible for all this shit.


Managers have been backed with money in the last years. Thats not the issue - Amorim or whoever the manager is needs to be backed in terms of infrastructure that is able to provide lists of potential targets.

The idea of Xavi, another manager who the squad is completely unsuited to, as the solution to our problems is just crazy. We need a lot of new players with a completely different profile and it is going to take multiple summer windows to accomplish. How quickly/if it ever happens is going to be hugely dependent on how well we recruit.

Amorim most likely isn’t going to be here in 12 months time but having gone down this path of a reset it is going to take time and patience.
 
I agree. Nobody would be linking us to fecking Quenda if Amorim wasnt our manager. He's not a proper winger either, so if we ditch our 3 atb, he would become a misfit. Bad bad signing

Would much rather take a PL player like Kerkez/Ait-Nouri/Robinson.
We have Dorgu for the LWB. We need a RWB. I would go for Frimpong if he fancies a move here (he can easily play RM or as an offensive RB in a different system).
 
I agree. Nobody would be linking us to fecking Quenda if Amorim wasnt our manager. He's not a proper winger either, so if we ditch our 3 atb, he would become a misfit. Bad bad signing

Would much rather take a PL player like Kerkez/Ait-Nouri/Robinson.
Quenda's not a proper winger?