What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

MCDC said:
Matheus Fernandes the one and more realistic:

Shot Creating Actions: 2.54 Per 90

Passes Attempted: 43.78 Per 90
Pass completion: 79.2%
Progressive Passes: 4.56 Per 90
Progressive Carries: 2.63 Per 90

Successful Take-ons: 1.74 Per 90
Touches (Att Pen Area): 1.79 Per 90
Progressive Passes Rec: 3.19 Per 90

Tackles: 2.87 Per 90
Interceptions: 0.61 Per 90
Blocks: 1.38 Per 90

Very good stats considering he has been at Southampton this season, thought he was the best player against us both times this season and should be affordable since they are being relegated.
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not familiar with this person.....Adam Wharton should be a name on the list as well
 
Borussia Teeth said:
Mate, I see a lot of these kind of posts from you. You always write us as buying low and selling high when in reality, the opposite is true. 40m for Hoijlund? 15m for Cas? You think Brentford sell Mbuemo for 45? Cmon now
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No chance we’d get £30m for Onana either. The guy is a calamity.
 
MCDC said:
Huge amount of effort just a few things:

Trafford has 2 years left on his deal would be affordable, question can he handle it.

We are not signing Araujo & Branthwaite, money will be spent elsewhere.

We are not getting 15m for Casemiro & 25m for Mount.

We are not signing all of Osimhen, Cunha & Mbuemo it would be one big signing max.

I actually think we will be after young promising kids who are talented looking for there second contracts such as Dibling & Delap.
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I’d take Osimhen, Dibbling and Delap - Huge upgrade you have to factor in whose leaving and we will lose at least 4 attackers maybe 5, the reset in wages for first team footballers is being vastly underestimated, you can give Casemiro away if you lose his wages, Antony, Sancho, Eriksen and Rashford Wages that’s over £1.4m per week, that’s over £70m per year?
 
Borussia Teeth said:
Mate, I see a lot of these kind of posts from you. You always write us as buying low and selling high when in reality, the opposite is true. 40m for Hoijlund? 15m for Cas? You think Brentford sell Mbuemo for 45? Cmon now
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Mbeumo has 18 months on his contract left that’s why, he’ll go for €55m/£45m, Casemiro will go to SA for £10-15m, fans on here where saying last year Pedro Neto was £70m and he left for £46m?

Guess why the markets blown, full recession in situ and even the big clubs are not overpaying any more, especially United, Vivell and Wilcox will not be overpaying for any player!
 
Woziak said:
United are 15th exploring your idea of youth already with players like ;
Zirkzee, Mainoo, Garnaucho, Hojlund, Yoro, Collyer, A Heaven, Chido, Dorgu

We have enough players under 23, we need at least 5 or 6 who are 24-27 in the summer.

Two free transfers like Angel Gomes and Johnathon David are super smart moves, Quenda will happen if Ruben doesn’t get sacked and we need at least two to three attacking players.

We don’t need £60m Maignan as a GK, James Trafford is the ideal choice at £30m. I keep saying pick a main core of young British/PL proven players.

My Picks -
Goalkeeper
A Onana out - £30m wages put £150k
J Trafford In - £30m wages £80k
Transfer Neutral Save £70k per week wages

Defence
T Mallacia out - £10m Wages £80k
V Lindelof out - Free Wages £120k
MDL out - £35m - Wages £190k
H Amass Out - £10m - wages £50k
J Evan’s Out - Free wages £65k
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R Araujo In - £45m wages £180k
J Branthwaite In - £50m £140k
Cost £40m Save £75k per week

Midfield
Casemiro out - £15m Wages £350k
Eriksen - Free Wage £170k
M Mount out - £25m Wages £250k
(he’s had enough chances, can’t stay fit either him needs shaw needs to go and he’s easier to sell!)
D Gore out - £5m - wages £10k
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A Gomes In Free - wages 125k
Ederson Or Hjlumand In £50m - wages 155k
Cost £5m Saving £500k per week

Attack
J Sancho out - £25m - wages £300k
M Rashford Out - £45m - Wages £350k
A Garnaucho Out - £60m - Wages £75k
R Hojlund Out - £40m - Wages £85k
Antony Out - £25m - Wages £200k
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V Osimhen In - £62m - Wages £265k
M Cunha In - £63m - Wages £180k
J Davids In - Free - Wages £135k
G Quenda in - £40m Wages £80k
B Mbeumo in - £45m wages £125k
Transfer Cost £20m Wages Saved £310k

The part that everyone is missing we currently have a huge wage bill and at least 6 players on over £200k per week that do not contribute, the headline here is United would spend £385m on 10 players, however United would generate £325m through player sales by having a mass clear out of 12 players plus 2 youth players and maybe selling even more more youth player to generate more profit. The net spend is £60-70m

The key here is wages saved over 1.07m per week or £55m per year which is currently what the club pays in interest charges to service the ldebt which the Glazers have burdened the club with!

This saving alone allows the club to do a complete hard reset irrespective of whether we are in Europe or Not, just like Chelsea did with a revenue of £200m less than united, the key issues are generating cash through sales and making sure that they have at least £100m worth of academy sales like Garnaucho and Rashford.

My complete hard reboot of Man United would be this squad for 25/26 Season ;

Goalkeepers - J Trafford(HG/21),
A Bayinder (26), E Harrison(HG/19),
T Heaton(GK Asst Coach)

Centre Backs - H Maguire(32/HG),
L Yoro(19/HG), R Araujo (26), J Branthwaite (22/HG), L Martinez(27), L Shaw(30/HG),
N Mazraoui (27)

Wing Backs - Amad(23), G Quenda(18/HG), D Leon(18/HG) , P Dorgu (21) , D Dalot(26)

Midfield Engine - T Collyer (22/HG),
M Ugarte (24), Ederson (25),
K Mainoo(20/HG), Bruno(32),
A Gomes(24/HG), S Kone(19/HG)

Attacking 10’s/Second strikers -
M Cunha(25) , Bruno(31), B Mbeumo(25),
J Zirkzee (23) , A Gomes (24)

Striker
V Osimhen(26), J David (24), Chido Obi(18)



Big Squad of 29 but that allows us to whittle that down by Xmas to 26/27 plus we will always have 6/7 injured with such a high intensity system.

You play Amorim’s system you need a lot of players, because they get a lot of injuries through excessive running. This squad has the pace to play 3 at the back and even protect Harry Maguire in Certain Games, I also think if this team bonds and gets a good start then they could easily move up 10 places to top 5.
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And then you wake up.

I'd bet the net cost in total of doing all that would be at least £200m higher than your figures.
 
Woziak said:
Mbeumo has 18 months on his contract left that’s why, he’ll go for €55m/£45m, Casemiro will go to SA for £10-15m, fans on here where saying last year Pedro Neto was £70m and he left for £46m?

Guess why the markets blown, full recession in situ and even the big clubs are not overpaying any more, especially United, Vivell and Wilcox will not be overpaying for any player!
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Brentford have an option to extend Mbeumo’s contract so he is contracted for another 2 years, be tough to get him for under 50m, I think Neto was 51 plus add ons so it’s something similar at least.

Be delighted if Casemiro was sold but the Saudi’s have changed their targets now, if they really wanted Casemiro he’d be there. He’s made it clear he’s not leaving on the cheap so I have no idea what kind of deal we will do but his pockets will be lined more than the clubs.
 
Casemiro has already said he’s staying. His obscene wages will prevent leaving. SA aside and they could have got him in January if interested, or did he say no? Think a few will be here unsellable. Mount, Shaw, and Onana. Maybe Hojlund unless really low offer. Dalot is another maybe.
 
Woziak said:
I’d take Osimhen, Dibbling and Delap - Huge upgrade you have to factor in whose leaving and we will lose at least 4 attackers maybe 5, the reset in wages for first team footballers is being vastly underestimated, you can give Casemiro away if you lose his wages, Antony, Sancho, Eriksen and Rashford Wages that’s over £1.4m per week, that’s over £70m per year?
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There is no way we will sign Osimhen and Delap so pick one along with Dibling then
 
Woziak said:
United are 15th exploring your idea of youth already with players like ;
Zirkzee, Mainoo, Garnaucho, Hojlund, Yoro, Collyer, A Heaven, Chido, Dorgu

We have enough players under 23, we need at least 5 or 6 who are 24-27 in the summer.

Two free transfers like Angel Gomes and Johnathon David are super smart moves, Quenda will happen if Ruben doesn’t get sacked and we need at least two to three attacking players.

We don’t need £60m Maignan as a GK, James Trafford is the ideal choice at £30m. I keep saying pick a main core of young British/PL proven players.

My Picks -
Goalkeeper
A Onana out - £30m wages put £150k
J Trafford In - £30m wages £80k
Transfer Neutral Save £70k per week wages

Defence
T Mallacia out - £10m Wages £80k
V Lindelof out - Free Wages £120k
MDL out - £35m - Wages £190k
H Amass Out - £10m - wages £50k
J Evan’s Out - Free wages £65k
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R Araujo In - £45m wages £180k
J Branthwaite In - £50m £140k
Cost £40m Save £75k per week

Midfield
Casemiro out - £15m Wages £350k
Eriksen - Free Wage £170k
M Mount out - £25m Wages £250k
(he’s had enough chances, can’t stay fit either him needs shaw needs to go and he’s easier to sell!)
D Gore out - £5m - wages £10k
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A Gomes In Free - wages 125k
Ederson Or Hjlumand In £50m - wages 155k
Cost £5m Saving £500k per week

Attack
J Sancho out - £25m - wages £300k
M Rashford Out - £45m - Wages £350k
A Garnaucho Out - £60m - Wages £75k
R Hojlund Out - £40m - Wages £85k
Antony Out - £25m - Wages £200k
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V Osimhen In - £62m - Wages £265k
M Cunha In - £63m - Wages £180k
J Davids In - Free - Wages £135k
G Quenda in - £40m Wages £80k
B Mbeumo in - £45m wages £125k
Transfer Cost £20m Wages Saved £310k

The part that everyone is missing we currently have a huge wage bill and at least 6 players on over £200k per week that do not contribute, the headline here is United would spend £385m on 10 players, however United would generate £325m through player sales by having a mass clear out of 12 players plus 2 youth players and maybe selling even more more youth player to generate more profit. The net spend is £60-70m

The key here is wages saved over 1.07m per week or £55m per year which is currently what the club pays in interest charges to service the ldebt which the Glazers have burdened the club with!

This saving alone allows the club to do a complete hard reset irrespective of whether we are in Europe or Not, just like Chelsea did with a revenue of £200m less than united, the key issues are generating cash through sales and making sure that they have at least £100m worth of academy sales like Garnaucho and Rashford.

My complete hard reboot of Man United would be this squad for 25/26 Season ;

Goalkeepers - J Trafford(HG/21),
A Bayinder (26), E Harrison(HG/19),
T Heaton(GK Asst Coach)

Centre Backs - H Maguire(32/HG),
L Yoro(19/HG), R Araujo (26), J Branthwaite (22/HG), L Martinez(27), L Shaw(30/HG),
N Mazraoui (27)

Wing Backs - Amad(23), G Quenda(18/HG), D Leon(18/HG) , P Dorgu (21) , D Dalot(26)

Midfield Engine - T Collyer (22/HG),
M Ugarte (24), Ederson (25),
K Mainoo(20/HG), Bruno(32),
A Gomes(24/HG), S Kone(19/HG)

Attacking 10’s/Second strikers -
M Cunha(25) , Bruno(31), B Mbeumo(25),
J Zirkzee (23) , A Gomes (24)

Striker
V Osimhen(26), J David (24), Chido Obi(18)



Big Squad of 29 but that allows us to whittle that down by Xmas to 26/27 plus we will always have 6/7 injured with such a high intensity system.

You play Amorim’s system you need a lot of players, because they get a lot of injuries through excessive running. This squad has the pace to play 3 at the back and even protect Harry Maguire in Certain Games, I also think if this team bonds and gets a good start then they could easily move up 10 places to top 5.
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Lots to unpack and disagree with in there.

1) De Ligt isn't going anywhere in the summer. No European club will pay the required fee and wages, and he’s not going to Saudi. He's also one of the few leaders we have.

2) Araujo and Branthwaite are not the right profile of wide CBs that Amorim needs. He needs wide CBs to be his playmakers from deep, hence why Martinez was starting to excel in that role. Ideally we want someone more physical than Martinez but ball progression here is super important, and something neither Araujo or Branthwaite particularly excel at. The alternative is to have two CMs who are very press resistant and progressive, something we don't have in Ugarte and Mainoo.

3) Getting any money for Casemiro and 25m for Mount is a non-starter. If Saudi were interested in Case they would have got him already. Our best bet is that a Turkish team agrees to pay 50% of his wages for the final year of his contract, or he leaves for nothing and heads off to the MLS. Mount's contract runs until 2028 and I struggle to see us even finding him a loan let alone permanent departure with his injury record. Let's say someone like West Ham were interested and willing to pay him 150k per week, we would still have to compensate him for the other 100k per week in his contract, which would be a 15m pay off due to the remaining 3 years on his contract. Most we would get for Mount is about 10m I'm afraid. Depressing I know, but that's the reality.

4) On top of the above - 10m for Amass, 5m for Gore, 30m for Onana, Rashford at 45m (given his wages), Hojlund at 40m, and maybe Antony at 25m are all inflated. That 155m is probably more likely to be about 115-120m.

5) HG players need to be from the UK or have been trained in the UK for 3 years before the age of 21 - Yoro, Kone, Leon and Quenda would not be classed as HG. They might by the time they reach 21, but not yet.


I'm all for the big reset - we're on the same page there at least - and I accept your point about needing more experience in the squad. Realistically somewhere in the middle is probably what we need, the problem is finding room in our budget for a couple of these more experienced players and convincing them of our project during their peak years.
 
daba said:
Lots to unpack and disagree with in there.

1) De Ligt isn't going anywhere in the summer. No European club will pay the required fee and wages, and he’s not going to Saudi. He's also one of the few leaders we have.

2) Araujo and Branthwaite are not the right profile of wide CBs that Amorim needs. He needs wide CBs to be his playmakers from deep, hence why Martinez was starting to excel in that role. Ideally we want someone more physical than Martinez but ball progression here is super important, and something neither Araujo or Branthwaite particularly excel at. The alternative is to have two CMs who are very press resistant and progressive, something we don't have in Ugarte and Mainoo.

3) Getting any money for Casemiro and 25m for Mount is a non-starter. If Saudi were interested in Case they would have got him already. Our best bet is that a Turkish team agrees to pay 50% of his wages for the final year of his contract, or he leaves for nothing and heads off to the MLS. Mount's contract runs until 2028 and I struggle to see us even finding him a loan let alone permanent departure with his injury record. Let's say someone like West Ham were interested and willing to pay him 150k per week, we would still have to compensate him for the other 100k per week in his contract, which would be a 15m pay off due to the remaining 3 years on his contract. Most we would get for Mount is about 10m I'm afraid. Depressing I know, but that's the reality.

4) On top of the above - 10m for Amass, 5m for Gore, 30m for Onana, Rashford at 45m (given his wages), Hojlund at 40m, and maybe Antony at 25m are all inflated. That 155m is probably more likely to be about 115-120m.

5) HG players need to be from the UK or have been trained in the UK for 3 years before the age of 21 - Yoro, Kone, Leon and Quenda would not be classed as HG. They might by the time they reach 21, but not yet.


I'm all for the big reset - we're on the same page there at least - and I accept your point about needing more experience in the squad. Realistically somewhere in the middle is probably what we need, the problem is finding room in our budget for a couple of these more experienced players and convincing them of our project during their peak years.
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Agree. He’s in dreamland with the figures he’s quoted - especially the selling fees. Just start at the beginning… £30m for Onana!! Closer to £10m.

Clubs just don’t have this level of turnover.

That’s 15 players out and 10 in.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Agree. He’s in dreamland with the figures he’s quoted - especially the selling fees. Just start at the beginning… £30m for Onana!! Closer to £10m.

Clubs just don’t have this level of turnover.

That’s 15 players out and 10 in.
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In fairness on the Ins and Outs, I do think we need to be ruthless this summer and rip the bandaid off this squad.

Outs-wise we have Eriksen, Evans and Lindelof, Malacia, Antony, Rashford and Sancho - are all pretty much certs to leave. There's then the likes of Casemiro, Garnacho, Dalot, Onana, Shaw, Zirkzee, Hojlund, Bayindir who all have a chance of leaving too. If we offload half of these, then we are already up to 11 outs.

If 11 leave we realistically probably need to bring 7 maybe 8 new players to fill the gaps (depending on who departs).
 
- Dibling
- Rigg
- Wharton
- Delap
- Quenda


Would be a smart summer. Loads of English talent, relatively low wages, young core, hungry, with potential and good experience for age. Hoover them wonder kids up!

Nothing fancy, but something to build on


—————— Delap/Rasmus
——— Garna/Rigg ——— Bruno/Dibling
———Wharton/Collyer/Ugarte/Mount
Dorgu/Paraguay dude ———— Quenda/Amad
 
cpresc said:
- Dibling
- Rigg
- Wharton
- Delap
- Quenda


Would be a smart summer. Loads of English talent, relatively low wages, young core, hungry, with potential and good experience for age. Hoover them wonder kids up!

Nothing fancy, but something to build on


—————— Delap/Rasmus
——— Garna/Rigg ——— Bruno/Dibling
———Wharton/Collyer/Ugarte/Mount
Dorgu/Paraguay dude ———— Quenda/Amad
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Could definitely see a couple of those young English talents but certainly not all of them, so if you had to pick only two who would it be?
 
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