Ugarte.
Beyond that we can take a look at some loan options for depth (LB, CM if McTominay leaves, maybe an RW if Sancho is off), we can assess the quality of our attack this season and decide if we need 1 or 2 more pieces there next summer.
How are we supposed to fund that deal? We seem to cannot even sign Ugarte without sales. Also we need a LB first. Zirkzee just scored his debut goal, so that's a positive regarding the CF position.We need another striker. I still believe that Toney would be a game changer for us, I'll die on that hill.
Just worry where the goals are coming from hence I feel there is a need for backup 9 who is proven goalscorer. Having said that I would still put DM, LB and 6/8 above that in priority list
If we can still get two central midfielders and a left back than we have a decent squad.
Why would we spend 40M on Zirkzee if he's not even ready to be backup striker?I'm surprised that we haven't moved for or been linked with any strikers, I just don't see enough goals in either Højlund or Zirkzee to get us challenging for trophies.
Hopefully something happens before the transfer window slams shut.
A LB and at least 1 midfielder possibly 2 depending on outgoings and I think our squad is as healthy as it's been in a long time.
I'll be honest and admit I wasn't all that excited about signing Zirkzee, his stats aren't what you'd like from a 23 year old signed for big enough money. Maybe he'll turn into a goal machine but he seems more link man than goalscorer hence my post.Why would we spend 40M on Zirkzee if he's not even ready to be backup striker?
One thing that is for sure is that if we are struggling for goals come the new year we will get rinsed for money when negotiating with other teams to buy ANY striker. We are already required to pay more for every player we buy. We have quite a few players who can add the odd goal or two but none that can be relied on to score regularly, something that most teams have. We don’t at present have a player good enough to be relied on as an out and out striker.
Not really, it's a competitive market. No one is going to turn down 40 million from us to take 30 million from the 2nd bidder.One thing that is for sure is that if we are struggling for goals come the new year we will get rinsed for money when negotiating with other teams to buy ANY striker. We are already required to pay more for every player we buy. We have quite a few players who can add the odd goal or two but none that can be relied on to score regularly, something that most teams have. We don’t at present have a player good enough to be relied on as an out and out striker.
Agree with this. Ugarte plus another (maybe Rabiot) along with a LB on loan and we are sorted for this window.
We have 2 no. 9s this year and would love to give them a proper go without crowding them out with another.
A CB and a DLP capable of playing both a 6 or 8 would be great for next year
Even talking about this is weird to me.Any suggestions for a proven goalscorer we could get for a reasonable fee, just someone to help take the pressure off Rasmus and Zirkzee
Agree with this. Ugarte plus another (maybe Rabiot) along with a LB on loan and we are sorted for this window.
We have 2 no. 9s this year and would love to give them a proper go without crowding them out with another.
A CB and a DLP capable of playing both a 6 or 8 would be great for next year
Even talking about this is weird to me.
Taking the pressure off Rasmus and Zirkzee means relegating to them the bench. We play with 1 striker. We've not spent big money on Hojlund and Zirkzee for them to sit on the bench and watch Ivan Toney start every week.
Really it seems like some fans are unhappy with the money spent on Hojlund/Zirkzee not going towards someone else instead. Which is fine, but at least be clear about that. The point is we've already spent the money on Zirkzee, we're not obviously not buying another striker, so it's pointless discussing adding another player. If you're going to make the case for another striker, it needs to be "we should have bought x player instead of Zirkzee".
It's not an unreasonable worry, but the ship has sailed on attacking reinforcements. The money isn't there event for a cut-price Toney this summer, and thd club has clearly made a conscious decision to invest in youth. I'm also a big fan of Toney but I think we've got to accept that we're working with what we have.I just worry Rasmus/Zirkzee won't score enough goals that's the only reason I am talking about signing a backup number 9 who is a proven goalscorer
It's not an unreasonable worry, but the ship has sailed on attacking reinforcements. The money isn't there event for a cut-price Toney this summer, and thd club has clearly made a conscious decision to invest in youth. I'm also a big fan of Toney but I think we've got to accept that we're working with what we have.
depends on Hojlund's and Zirkzee's performances this season, as well as Chido Obi's at the U18, but let's not waste time thinking hypothetically about what happens in a year.I can't see it happening but IF he ran down his contract and was available on a free next summer would INEOS take him or too old at 29
I think that depends a lot on how Hojland and Zirkzee actually perform this season. If they're good, I don't think they'll bother.I can't see it happening but IF he ran down his contract and was available on a free next summer would INEOS take him or too old at 29
I see. There's just no chance we signed a £40M striker only to make immediately make him third string with an even more expensive Toney.I just worry Rasmus/Zirkzee won't score enough goals that's the only reason I am talking about signing a backup number 9 who is a proven goalscorer
So I would be very interested in where you think the goals are coming from this season. As for your statement about nobody turning down 40million from us, we won’t have 40million by January at the rate we spend without selling players. Even then we appear to sell cheap and buy big. The days of bullying other teams are gone. Right now we are treading a thin line with our finances.Not really, it's a competitive market. No one is going to turn down 40 million from us to take 30 million from the 2nd bidder.
Being bad at negotiating or going after the wrong players are different (hopefully solved...) matters.
Spot on.Really it seems like some fans are unhappy with the money spent on Hojlund/Zirkzee not going towards someone else instead. Which is fine, but at least be clear about that. The point is we've already spent the money on Zirkzee, we're not obviously not buying another striker, so it's pointless discussing adding another player. If you're going to make the case for another striker, it needs to be "we should have bought x player instead of Zirkzee".
I am hoping Hojland and Zirkzee will step up when (both) are available and fit, it would be nice to see Rashford step up to the mark too. Bruno and Garnacho should provide at least 15 goals between them, hopefully more. As for getting someone in for a reasonable fee, I don’t think that will happen unless we get lucky or desperate, that is my big concern. We are tip toeing around FFP as it is so a big transfer is unlikely.Any suggestions for a proven goalscorer we could get for a reasonable fee, just someone to help take the pressure off Rasmus and Zirkzee
We have two strikers for one spot already. We might need a third backup but that should probably be an older, cheaper player who would be happy to get 10-15 games in a season. Otherwise we have to rely on Hojlund’s and Zirkzee’s development, we just spend £105m to acquire both of them very recently and I would not expect us to now go and splash considerable amount of money on someone who would play ahead of them.We need another striker. I still believe that Toney would be a game changer for us, I'll die on that hill.
Exactly, a "Evans" type of striker for free would be great. Experience and emerency backup.We have two strikers for one spot already. We might need a third backup but that should probably be an older, cheaper player who would be happy to get 10-15 games in a season. Otherwise we have to rely on Hojlund’s and Zirkzee’s development, we just spend £105m to acquire both of them very recently and I would not expect us to now go and splash considerable amount of money on someone who would play ahead of them.
In my opinion, Ait-Nouri isn’t an ideal left-back. He’s better suited as a left midfielder or left wing-back, where he has more freedom from defensive duties. We should prioritize finding a player whose primary position is left-back, even if they are attack-minded. One potential candidate is Leif Davis, who had an exceptional season in the Championship. While he, like Ait-Nouri, is very attack-oriented and often pushes high up the pitch, he also has solid defensive abilities, having even played as a left center-back in a back three. While it’s unrealistic to expect him to replicate his 21 assists from last season, if he can adjust to a higher level of play, he could be a very valuable asset.Any potential moves would obviously have to wait until next summer, but I think it will be very interesting to watch Ait Nouri and Joao Gomes at Wolves this season. Both are players I would love to see at United.
Watching Wharton this season will be intriguing. From the first few minutes of seeing him last season it's clear there's a player in there and we should do everything in our power to get him next summer.
Think we're pretty much done in the transfer window this summer, as far as any significant signings go.
If we fix LB and CM next summer with players of the right quality and age profile, we have a young team with some very exciting prospects.
I agree.I see. There's just no chance we signed a £40M striker only to make immediately make him third string with an even more expensive Toney.
It'd be comically inept. We made our bet on a striker already, let's give him a chance. Toney could easily become another overpaid, bad contract if signed to a long deal too; he'll turn 29 this season. We should be looking for younger options that fit our realistic timeline for contending (like Zirkzee), not guys about to decline.
I feel about as sure that we won't sign two midfielders (unless one is really cheap). Bruno, Mainoo, Case, Ugarte, and Mount is a solid five in midfield, and potentially you have McT too. We don't need an expensive sixth-seventh option in midfield; would be too many guys.
Rather than spending on so many depth pieces (a 3rd striker, a 6th capable midfielder) it makes more sense to save the money to try to sign a couple world class players next summer.
Dont getthe number of "we need another striker" posts for what we need whenwedont have a single left back showing any fitness, we also only have only one dm who has looked shot for a while or anygenuine Mainoo cover....We havegood younsters in AMass, Collyer and maybe Gore....but we have two young international and talented strikers for one position.
If anything attacking wise I would say we need a wide player as Greenwood, SAncho, Pellestri mayallbe gone and no faith personally in any consistent formfrom ANtony or RAshdord and we cantexpectit fro AMad or Garnacho.
Little doubt a wide player will beone of ourprimary targets next summer, should have been Doue and still dont see Baraca affording Nico Williams.
Personally a DM and WIlliams wih sales would be the perfectendto the window
Not this summer, but with Madrid having Mbappe, Vini and Rodrygo - as well as their intent to play Bellingham as a 10/9.5 - I have a feeling they could do another Odegaard with either Arda Guler or Endrick at some point. There's already been rumours about Guler not seeing a pathway to regular football.
Would be very interesting if we were in a position to capitalise on that next summer.
Not this summer, but with Madrid having Mbappe, Vini and Rodrygo - as well as their intent to play Bellingham as a 10/9.5 - I have a feeling they could do another Odegaard with either Arda Guler or Endrick at some point. There's already been rumours about Guler not seeing a pathway to regular football.
Would be very interesting if we were in a position to capitalise on that next summer.