He’s a squad place though. We need to sell and replace.
With the state of our options now, when he’s fit he starts. It’s that simple. But if you are planning next season he shouldn’t be in our plans.
What about Martial's past, future or present makes people suddenly trust him?
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With the state of our options now, when he’s fit he starts. It’s that simple. But if you are planning next season he shouldn’t be in our plans.
Joao Felix for example is a 100m player. Darwin Nunez after 1 year is a 100m player. Antony was close to 100m (all euros). Forwards like Martial (ignoring bad fitness) who are very talented but maybe just don't get elite numbers (but where you think they might one day still get the top numbers) are pretty much 100m, unless someone gets a steal on a players situation. But on the assumption of him actually being fit, than the level he puts out under Ten Hag is basically that... It's just for a few games unfortunately.
Strikers like Osimhen who guarantee it are much more than 100m.
I don't follow the logic here. Unless you assume that you are going to not only get a big fee but also two players of equivalent quality?
We are not short of squad place, we are short of quality. Someone like Elanga is a bigger issue than Martial.
So would you sign 2 strikers? What 2 strikers will you be able to get where you sign 1 top player and the second exclusively as backup? How much are you spending?
It's just not realistic. We need a main striker. Once Martial is a squad player, then we don't rely on him, but he can still contribute plenty. We won't be able to sell him easily due to his fitness, so might as well keep him while we address other issues. And on the off chance he has a fit year, then he's just a very valuable player.
He'll be back playing either for Lyon, or in Turkey by the time he's 30.
No idea why United fans adore him on here, he hasn't improved at all since he joined and his injury record has worsened.
He'll likely disappear into the abyss when he leaves United.
No idea why United fans adore him on here, he hasn't improved at all since he joined and his injury record has worsened.
He'll likely disappear into the abyss when he leaves United.
We’ve seen Martial as a squad player before and he requested to leave and has a face like thunder every time you see him. He’s also on too much money and is injured far too often to even rely on as a second striker.
We generally need 2 strikers in the summer with him and Weg fecking off
I don’t trust him one bit. He needs to be shipped out in the summer. Just need to hope he stays fit long enough to sell a functioning player
No one will buy him so the point is moot
Teams will try but on a massive bargain which doesn't help us.
In a perfect world yes we can replace everyone. In the world we live in, we aren't finding anyone who would be a backup for someone like Osimhen assuming we spend big there, nor do we have the budget for anyone remotely decent while addressing other needs, nor are we getting anything big for Martial. Martial actually likes playing under Ten Hag and he is the best coach for him, and I'm sure Ten Hag would still use him albeit as a squad player, when fit. So it's not like he would be just firmly a backup. He provides qualities that are valuable that those we buy most likely don't.
Martial has a contract until 2024 with an option for another year, making it 2025. So in reality, he will stick around because his quality is worth far more than what we can get for him, and far more than any player we could replace him with to be a backup. Up to Ten Hag to make him feel valued while having a main striker ahead of him, hard to argue Martials case when he's always injured, but up to Martial to stay fit and make a fight out of it.
To answer the original question.
I don't trust Martial. He simply isn't good enough. His body is fragile and after training under different managers, he hasn't improved. He peaked when he was about 22 and since then stayed at the same level.
If we are to win the league, we need to buy a top striker. Without a top striker, I don't see us winning the league.
At the right price, someone will take him. But we won't get much for him as he isn't particularly good.
I don't trust Martial. He simply isn't good enough. His body is fragile and after training under different managers, he hasn't improved. He peaked when he was about 22 and since then stayed at the same level.
If we are to win the league, we need to buy a top striker. Without a top striker, I don't see us winning the league.
At the right price, someone will take him. But we won't get much for him as he isn't particularly good.
The clear fact is that whenever he plays our attacking play is much better. He can link up play and make our attack so much better like Benzema do for RM. He has good finishing skills too.
His problem is only on fitness. He should speak to Giggs on how he transform (yoga or something) himself from injury prone to playing consistently for Man Utd albeit different style. Martial can be molded in this way from a speedy winger/striker to more a striker linking up play in the attacking department.
Having said that he should only be squad player next season. We need an absolute world class striker to convert those chances missed this season. This is the difference between top 4 and challenging for the title.
His problem is only on fitness. He should speak to Giggs on how he transform (yoga or something) himself from injury prone to playing consistently for Man Utd albeit different style. Martial can be molded in this way from a speedy winger/striker to more a striker linking up play in the attacking department.
Having said that he should only be squad player next season. We need an absolute world class striker to convert those chances missed this season. This is the difference between top 4 and challenging for the title.
Well you’re wrong. He is very good. Just can’t stay fit for 5 minutes which is a bigger issue. We’ve seen how the team functions with Weghorst starting games for a couple of months and it isn’t pleasant viewing. We need a marquee striker signing. Keep Martial and if he’s available he can rotate with Rashford and play off the main CF. Has all the tools to. If he ain’t available then we’ve got a new striker who is. Sell Elanga and Sancho, then we have Rashy, Martial, Garnacho and Antony to fight over the forward positions. Maybe even Amad.
He wins Martial FC Player of the season yearly
That's exactly what I have in mind including the possibility of abandoning the Sancho project, I don't like the idea but it could be the right decision. Now if there is a cheap young striker and a top striker or two moderately expensive but versatile strikers available then I understand the idea of selling Martial but to me Martial isn't one of the players that should be a priority when it comes to sales, because unlike many others he is an actual starter for a good United team under ETH.
Ok let me rephrase, no one will buy him for a price that will help us replace him.
Although saying he isn't particularly good is just incorrect if he's fit hes useful to have in the squad and can fill 2 positions of 9 and LW.
Just don't rely on him and ensure we have the required players for when he's inevitably unavailable
Don’t bother. Some have a blind hatred of Martial that won’t be reasoned with. I’ve given up on it
I've always liked Martial, but he's like the little girl in the Longfellow rhyme... when he's good, he's very good indeed... but when he's bad, he's horrid.
He's good with the ball at his feet and he can score goals on occasion, which is more than we can say for the only other striker we have right now.
Nobody is going to buy Martial. Why would any club buy a player who is basically guaranteed to miss half the season through injury? He is ours to deal with until his contract runs out, at which point he'll probably go back to France and do reasonably well with some irrelevant club.
An ideal situation for us next season would be Osimhen or Kane as our regular #9 and Martial serving as the backup. Hopefully this would allow him to actually stay fit and available.
Nobody is going to buy Martial. Why would any club buy a player who is basically guaranteed to miss half the season through injury? He is ours to deal with until his contract runs out, at which point he'll probably go back to France and do reasonably well with some irrelevant club.
An ideal situation for us next season would be Osimhen or Kane as our regular #9 and Martial serving as the backup. Hopefully this would allow him to actually stay fit and available.
May as well keep him and hope he can stay fit over next season. Noone will take him on when he's on 250k a week here.
If he can stay fit consistently then the next contract will be interesting. When he's been fit he's consistently contributed in his time here.
If he can stay fit consistently then the next contract will be interesting. When he's been fit he's consistently contributed in his time here.
I don't trust him at all. I'd be more than happy to see him sold in the next transfer window.
Broadly agree with this but I would point out that City did pay something like just £14m for Julian Alvarez, so it isn't impossible to find quality players for cheap. And if we could replace Martial with that profile of player, we absolutely should.
But the chances are we can't, so practicalities would dictate he stay for now.
Is this thread a Christmas Carol themed affair?
If you still find some way to defend him you need psychiatric help. How he’s survived at this club for so long is baffling.
Rashford (aka competition) comes back and Martial gets injured?
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Absolute waste of a squad place. Anybody still having hopes for Martial must be fecking crackers
He’s never played though a bit of pain in his entire career.
He is pure shite. If he was genuinely injured our medial staff would have been with him, instead he slowly limped off alone towards the tunnel.
Hope we never see him again at United.
Hope we never see him again at United.
Pathetic player. No heart, no guts. Cannot wait to see the back of him.
To think some people were saying he should be kept on next season!
Our club hierarchy and fanbase are way too lenient and forgiving. Look at how Madrid manage their squad: one bad season and you're off to Betis or West Ham!
You need to be fairly ruthless to get to the very top. It’s no coincidence that Madrid are so consistently successful
Actually he played through an injury for over 3 months and that’s what fecked him ever since
Squad depth has killed us this season in the second half of the season, so there's no point selling him when nobody would pay for him anyway. Weghorst surely won't be kept on, unless they're insane. Which means we'd need a few strikers, a better use of money would be to keep Martial and put the money into an elite striker, rather than using some of the money on two strikers.
End of his Utd career after tonight. Cant rely on him to stay fit, or play through any form of pain.
And one of the reasons we have no depth is that we have players who we can't trust. He plays 3 games and then he gets injured. This should be the last European game for Martial and Maguire. Sell them even for free. At least we save wages.
The big clubs just don't have this attitude. The likes of City and Real would've kicked Martial out years ago. They'd identify a talented young player to replace him with. Feck knows why we must continue to persist with trash players and then every season act surprised when they let us down
You can't kick people out though that nobody has a serious interest in. What, terminate his contract for being injured?