What about Martial's past, future or present makes people suddenly trust him?

Kush said:
Because our fanbase looks at one moment of quality and think in their heads the said player can replicate it consistently

We simply need a new striker if we are moving on from Ronaldo, neither Martial nor Rashford are good enough nor fit enough for the purpose
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Spot on, and all valid points from the OP.

The reasoning some posters on here continue to peddle in favour of the player, go beyond blinkered and must surely be to argue for arguments sake. That said, all points are always of course open to conjecture, it's a forum after all.

I just ran out of patience with wanting to see the boy from the Liverpool debut a long time ago. There were times at Old Trafford - one at home to Everton in particular - where his application wasn't shambolic, it was completely scandalous. And in a game which we were drawing 1-1 at the time. I'd love to be proved wrong, because it will be for the good of the team and the club, but I can't honestly believe this Leopard's spots will ever change.
 
i mean i dont think theres literally anyone advocating we go with him as the main striker next season. Considering there wont be anyone who can afford him and will want to take a chance on those wages coupled with his injury history think he prob has to stay next season. Manage his fitness and just hope he can be one of the best backup strikers in the league as we bring in someone to be the full time CF.
 
Surely desperation, at this point? I mean our other striker played 18 in a row and could barely hit a barn door so of course we're going to turn to Martial until we can buy a proper striker.
 
Gave himself away at Sevilla they‘d seen enough of him after 3 weeks and deemed him not good enough

Not sure why he’s got so much credit with a lot of United fans he’s been massively underwhelming from his injury record to attitude he’s been bang average.
 
Personally I think we should keep him as we need someone who knows the treatment room inside out. It is important to have a point of contact for newcomers. His experience in the sick bay is also vital for possible future improvements of the hardware. If the massage table creaks Martial will know about it. Give him a 5 year extension.
 
We can't shift him so just make him redundant by getting new strikers.
 
I'd be surprised if many trust him over a full season, including our manager. There's not just one reason for that either. Injuries is the obvious current one, but then there's also 8 years of inconsistent performances on top of that.

He's just a much, much better footballer than Wout Weghorst so at the moment he looks like a genius whenever he's on the pitch. But let's be honest, there are also much better footballers than Martial out there. Or at least way more effective and reliable ones.

I'd almost say "keep him as a squad player" if he wasn't so injury prone, but it's probably a redundant point to make as I don't think he's going anywhere with that contract he's sat on so this will become his inevitable role next season anyway.
 
It would be absolutely bonkers if anyone felt he could be our primary striker going into next season. Guy has bags of talent, but he does not consistently deliver it.
 
We were all in awe of that young Anthony Martial who tore apart Liverpool. I’m not getting my hopes up too high, but I’d love to see that player again.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
It’s pretty simple. Martial has a level of technical quality that only Sancho can match of any of our midfielders or forwards (not counting Ronaldo). Pretty important in the modern game. I’d still like to get Depay in because we are lacking options
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Well I feel the same as I did then (besides getting Depay). He's technically brilliant and actually has played extremely well this year for the 10% of time he's been available.
 
Speako said:
Spot on, and all valid points from the OP.

The reasoning some posters on here continue to peddle in favour of the player, go beyond blinkered and must surely be to argue for arguments sake. That said, all points are always of course open to conjecture, it's a forum after all.

I just ran out of patience with wanting to see the boy from the Liverpool debut a long time ago. There were times at Old Trafford - one at home to Everton in particular - where his application wasn't shambolic, it was completely scandalous. And in a game which we were drawing 1-1 at the time. I'd love to be proved wrong, because it will be for the good of the team and the club, but I can't honestly believe this Leopard's spots will ever change.
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You think saying Martial had one moment of quality in his entire time at United is spot on?
 
He can be really good if he plays… but he just doesn’t play enough to wear the 9 for United
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
It's him or Weghorst.
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This is the answer. When Ronaldo was still performing to an extent and we had greenwood, no one gave a shit that we loaned him to sevilla half way through the season. But this year its been him or this season's Ronaldo and him or weghorst and he's well clear of both
 
Still pretty much unchanged.

His injury issues mean it would be point blank stupid to trust him in any regular capacity.

And he is a player who by his own admission plays worse when he isn't starting. Which is a big problem for a player we might look to be our second choice striker. And means that while he has blown relatively hot when he has been available this season, he could easily blow cold again next season when he's mainly on the bench.

And when I say he has blown relatively hot this season, we're still not talking about an elite CF when he has been on the pitch and in form. He has scored at slightly less of a rate than someone like Ollie Watkins, who lest we forget started the season with 3 goal in his first 18 appearances.
 
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"What about Martial's past, future or present makes people suddenly trust him?"

Oh but don't you get it? I can change him! <3 <3
 
I don't think anybody trusts his fitness. We hope beyond reason that he can stay fit for just 1.5 months. That's pretty much where we're at. Desperate for 1 fit month from our main striker.

It is without question that we are a far better team with him, and that he does fit Ten Hag quite well... He's basically a 100m player when he is actually fit. It is up for question if he is exactly what we need, or ultimately good enough for our targets. And then obviously his fitness is hopeless. So there's 3 questions to ask. Once we get Osimhen or any other striker, he'll just be a squad player with the hope that he can stay more fit while playing less often and not just be a sick note despite not playing.
 
jm99 said:
This is the answer. When Ronaldo was still performing to an extent and we had greenwood, no one gave a shit that we loaned him to sevilla half way through the season. But this year its been him or this season's Ronaldo and him or weghorst and he's well clear of both
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Nobody gave a shit we loaned him last season because he was playing absolutely terribly (for the second season in a row). You talk about the difference between Ronaldo last season and this, but the bigger thing is that Martial has also been very different. It would have been a very different story if Martial had been in-form last season; he would have still been the best of the three of them.

This season he's, on the short periods he's actually been fit, been back in form again. Martial when on form is simply a very good striker which is what gets people hoping for him. Unfortunately we can never trust him to be more than a back-up striker because of his injury issues.
 
I rate him, but there’s definitely room for upgrade.

I think he’s perhaps being overrated at the minute because he’s come in for WW so of course he seems amazing.
 
Because he’s the goat of football
 
I cant see anyone paying a transfer fee plus the astronomical wages for him this summer.

He's got a year left on his contract I think, he'll leave on a free next year...
 
Castia said:
Gave himself away at Sevilla they‘d seen enough of him after 3 weeks and deemed him not good enough

Not sure why he’s got so much credit with a lot of United fans he’s been massively underwhelming from his injury record to attitude he’s been bang average.
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People have eyes. They watch him perform so well for us in the last week and they could easily see the difference someone like him makes when played upfront. What happened at Sevilla doesn't matter for us. We should still sign a striker and keep Martial around as well.
 
At the risk of invoking the meme, I feel like Martial would massively benefit from putting on a bunch of muscle and working on becoming more of a presence in the box. His touch, dribbling and passing are fantastic, but we need a goal-scoring centre forward. Martial's best work is done around the edge of the box because he's not enough of a presence to bother centre backs.

If Martial could add a physical dimension to his game whilst keeping his other attributes he could be a similar player to Drogba, who was about Martial's age when he put all the pieces together and became a top player.
 
redIndianDevil said:
People have eyes. They watch him perform so well for us in the last week and they could easily see the difference someone like him makes when played upfront. What happened at Sevilla doesn't matter for us. We should still sign a striker and keep Martial around as well.
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People have eyes? That’s exactly the point I’ve seen him for about 6 years at United and he’s been a massive flop there’s no 2 ways about it

Is he better than Weghorst? Sure but he’s also one of the best paid strikers in the league it’s a fecking mess and he needs selling

Can’t believe that post in all honesty. People have eyes? Jesus
 
He's the best CF option we have now though - that's clear heh? And he's performed well in just about every game he's been available for under ETH.

I don't know that anyone trusts him so much in the sense that we shouldn't go and get a consistent, usually fit, top class CF in the summer.
 
Castia said:
People have eyes? That’s exactly the point I’ve seen him for about 6 years at United and he’s been a massive flop there’s no 2 ways about it

Is he better than Weghorst? Sure but he’s also one of the best paid strikers in the league it’s a fecking mess and he needs selling

Can’t believe that post in all honesty. People have eyes? Jesus
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Not sure what's wrong with his post. You've basically regurgitated what he's said.

He's very visibly better that Wout (and people have eyes). So folks are keen to see him play, as he's our current best option in the CF position till we get to the summer.

The selling issue is complicated by his wages
 
Glorio said:
Not sure what's wrong with his post. You've basically regurgitated what he's said.

He's very visibly better that Wout (and people have eyes). So folks are keen to see him play, as he's our current best option in the CF position till we get to the summer.

The selling issue is complicated by his wages
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Wout starts more games than him from now until the summer due simply to his injury record

Absolutely pointless player in my opinion.
 
bosnian_red said:
I don't think anybody trusts his fitness. We hope beyond reason that he can stay fit for just 1.5 months. That's pretty much where we're at. Desperate for 1 fit month from our main striker.

It is without question that we are a far better team with him, and that he does fit Ten Hag quite well... He's basically a 100m player when he is actually fit. It is up for question if he is exactly what we need, or ultimately good enough for our targets. And then obviously his fitness is hopeless. So there's 3 questions to ask. Once we get Osimhen or any other striker, he'll just be a squad player with the hope that he can stay more fit while playing less often and not just be a sick note despite not playing.
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He is not a 100m player ffs.
 
Castia said:
People have eyes? That’s exactly the point I’ve seen him for about 6 years at United and he’s been a massive flop there’s no 2 ways about it

Is he better than Weghorst? Sure but he’s also one of the best paid strikers in the league it’s a fecking mess and he needs selling

Can’t believe that post in all honesty. People have eyes? Jesus
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Martial has had two very good seasons, three seasons where he's been good where he's actually played (but hasn't played enough due to either injury or Mourinho being an idiot and not playing the form player) and three poor seasons. Obviously it hasn't been as good as we'd like, but I also wouldn't say he was a 'massive flop'. Especially considering how good he was at the times he was good.
 
Much better than Weghorst on the ball. But it actually still is nowhere near good enough for a top team. He is no threat whatsoever for such a big part of football matches. He has moments of absolute brilliance though, which makes you hope.
 
Makes our attack and overall forward play so much better with his quick passes, one twos and movement. Its such a shame injuries basically destroyed his career cause he's a wonderful player.
 
Pros

The past: In at least three seasons he had been a brilliant forward for us when fully fit, makes everyone around him play better, a menace for defenders.
The present: His goal contributions to minutes has been great this season and played well when he was fit
Future: Who knows, but he's still only 27 and when you see what Benzema is doing when he's 35 and he's a similar style of forward

Cons

The past: He has had a few stinker seasons
The present: Injured far too often unfortunately
Future: Has more injury problems? Who knows.
 
The part that I don't understand is one where people are 0% or 100%, some have alluded to it in other threads but it's a strange way of thinking. To me it's simple, Martial is a quality player that happens to be injury prone, I don't want to sell him for the sake of it and I don't want to exclusively rely on him either. Fortunately the solution is extremely simple, we lack depth, so the player providing depth should be expected to be a starter and we let them compete. The other thing is that Martial can play wide, he is a viable back up option of Rashford when fit, so it's not as if Martial would struggle to get minutes if he is fit.

The case of Martial is a none issue, to me as long as we bring depth.
 
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