What about Martial's past, future or present makes people suddenly trust him?

This pre-season, he actually seemed to be in physical shape, to me that may indicate a change in mentality/maturity. Along with his closing down (in pre-season and the half game he played), again it's another indication of change in mentality/maturity.

At the moment, it's an indication that he MAY be changing. But if he has finally matured and understood the aspects of looking after his body and not being given anything on a platter, that he needs to fight for it, then given his performance vs Liverpool, he'll go a long way to being a vital piece for this season.

Does ETH want to keep him beyond this season? Who knows but at this stage of the transfer window it doesn't look like we're brining anyone else in and so Martial's the best option we have, while at the same time he has also shown some signs of hope/positivity.
 
Oranges038 said:
Just look at his actions off the pitch. The mother's of his children even can't trust him.
But people who don't even know him think he's all of a sudden going to change his attitude and general demeanour on the pitch.

Best of luck with that, just like several others I can't wait til he's gone.
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He could be worse, he could be Ryan Giggs.
 
He is almost flawlessly talented.
  • Beautiful first touch
  • Good dribbler
  • Can finish
  • Can shoot from distance
  • Strong
  • Fast
  • Good passer of the ball
He has shown all of that. Now the negatives.
  • Injury prone the last 2 years.
  • Inconsistent.
Given the lack of options we have up front and the fact we may very well not sign anyone there. Can you really blame fans for hoping he shows more of the positive list and stays fit?

Can you blame us for getting a bit excited when he looks to be in good form heading into a new season under a new coach when he could solve a major issue in our squad?

None of the excitement seems that surprising to me honestly.
 
He is the best cf we have and the last time our front 3 played like a Manchester United front 3 he was the one linking with the wide forwards.
 
podurban2 said:
What a weird thing to bring up.
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Stadjer said:
Did you also lose your trust in Rooney when he cheated on his wife (multiple times)? Or in any of the many other Manchester United players that cheated on their wives or girlfriend?

Or do you just dont like Martial and drag something which isnt relevant at all into this?
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Nah, couldn't really give a fook about it, if he does the business on the pitch. He doesn't and also it just proves he is a no good snake.

He's played one good half of ball in 2 years. He should have been booted out long ago.

phelans shorts said:
He could be worse, he could be Ryan Giggs.
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Even if he banged his brothers wife and headbutted her all at the same time he would still have some weird fans who would defend him and blame someone else for it.
 
OverratedOpinion said:
He is almost flawlessly talented.
  • Beautiful first touch
  • Good dribbler
  • Can finish
  • Can shoot from distance
  • Strong
  • Fast
  • Good passer of the ball
He has shown all of that. Now the negatives.
  • Injury prone the last 2 years.
  • Inconsistent.
Given the lack of options we have up front and the fact we may very well not sign anyone there. Can you really blame fans for hoping he shows more of the positive list and stays fit?

Can you blame us for getting a bit excited when he looks to be in good form heading into a new season under a new coach when he could solve a major issue in our squad?

None of the excitement seems that surprising to me honestly.
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He's also not a great target man, isn't any sort of aerial threat, and suffers from low confidence where he will play terrible (just like most of our attackers).
 
Well historically he has always perform well when the manager trusted him.

If we don't go out and sign a big name striker, I don't see why he wouldn't follow that trend
 
So hoping the best option we have at CF does the business means we suddenly trust him ?
 
shamans said:
I really don't understand this.

The guy didn't get a single goal for Sevilla and was hardly integral to their team.

He has had one season with 23 goals preceded by a 12 goal season and succeed by seven.

He is injury prone. Predictable movements. Weak mentality player.

I realize the Ronaldo drama leaves us with nothing upfront but at his 7th year at Manchester United, why do I suddenly see people naming him in their starting squads and ideal 11?

Not only that, how are people turning their nose up at the idea of Depay? He's no world beater but look at what we have
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Nobody trusts him, but what are the options. A past it Ronaldo, who would rather player for Chelsea than play for us? Or Elanga who is not good enough? We really have nobody better and Depay I trust even less for example. I'd take him, but he is as big a disappointment IMO.
 
EtH said:
So hoping the best option we have at CF does the business means we suddenly trust him ?
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I know right. We shouldn't hope, Rashford, Martial and Bruno get to producing the best we have seen from them.
 
I don't know about trust, but at least he can play the role - that we do know. He's had spurts when he's been brilliant at the CF role. No other one of our players can make that claim.

None of our other options can, it really is that simple. Even the one that should not be named didn't look as convincing whenever he was tried there.

Trust Martial or not, he's actually our only decent (at times very good) CF option.
 
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Trusting someone is different from acknowledging the person is the best option at the moment.
 
As others have said it's the old classic caf attitude of players bring better when they don't play. Also people cling to the best of a player rather than their average.

He's schrodinger"s football until we actually see him play a run of games we don't know if he'll be top striker or worthless.

He should have been shipped out in my opinion. His hold up play is overrated, he barely makes attacking runs and has no defensive effort. His finishing is also limited to one technique and everyone figured it out long ago.
 
I think the reason it's not black and white comes down to a couple of things. Firstly, the guy is definitely talented, that was never the problem. It was always a question of application and commitment. It's not like, say, Elanga, who will never be a world class player due to a lack of talent. Martial could be great if his head was in the right place. Most of our best football of the last few years has been when he's been fit and firing.

Then there's the fact that the managers he's had post LVG haven't been good for him. Jose dropped him when he was playing well, and preferred Sanchez, which with hindsight was a nonsensical decision. Ole on the other hand indulged him and never pushed him as hard as he needed, meaning when he had a spell where he drifted, it was allowed to continue.

It's the conundrum that applies to all underachieving but talented players. Will the right formation/team selection/manager finally bring their talent out? Or do they simply lack the mentality to ever maintain quality over the long term?

Personally I think the ship has sailed, but when you look at how he's performed at his best and combine it with a new manager, I can understand why people still have a spark of hope. However I doubt any fans would turn down a reliable alternative up front if offered one.
 
It’s his world class hold up play rather than ability to score a goal.

It just suits possesion manager even if all he becomes is our 2nd squad striker because it’s still very useful asset that allows us to have a different type of striker competing with him.
 
People have weird obsessions with some players, they convince themselves the player loves the club or that they’re brilliant because they did something great a few times, then every time they do something quite normal it’s blown up to be ‘amazing’ to continue to push the narrative they’ve created in their own head.

Martial gathered quite a strong following when Mourinho decided he wasn’t up to it also. He could do no wrong at that point because Mourinho was the problem according to many. I don’t think I’ve known a United player have so many excuses made for him.

Nowadays it’s just desperation and hope he can return to something decent.
 
No one is trusting him, so you made that up. Almost everyone agrees it's a gamble to rely on him a lot this season.

I will say though people who think Depay will offer more than him have no clue what they're talking about.
 
I guess it’s the preseasons, and his holding up play up front seems fit ETH system more.

Although personally I don’t trust his consistency and fitness level to play through the season. He is not a reliable goalscorer, I just don’t trust putting him as our first choice no.9. He is at best squad rotation player.
 
I don't trust him at all and would have shipped him out ages ago. But our club is allergic to selling players so what can you do?

While he's on the pitch I always hope for genius but I come away disappointed 8/10 times
 
spiriticon said:
I don't trust him at all and would have shipped him out ages ago. But our club is allergic to selling players so what can you do?

While he's on the pitch I always hope for genius but I come away disappointed 8/10 times
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Don't forget He is French Pele, no way Americans gonna let him go without a big fee.
 
I don't think many of us trust him to be honest. We just don't have options so we're praying for a miracle.
 
I still want him gone. It won't be long till he goes back to his lazy sulky self.
 
He can be a good squad player and play a big part in the season. Will win us points and contribute, issue is.. he won’t stay fit and he isn’t a 20+ goal a season striker. We need a out and out scorer ala haaland or Nunez of our own.
 
He aint good enough and our fanbase is filled with clueless fans. Many in here think there is a world class player in Bailly, that says it all
 
OverratedOpinion said:
He is almost flawlessly talented.
  • Beautiful first touch
  • Good dribbler
  • Can finish
  • Can shoot from distance
  • Strong
  • Fast
  • Good passer of the ball
He has shown all of that. Now the negatives.
  • Injury prone the last 2 years.
  • Inconsistent.
Given the lack of options we have up front and the fact we may very well not sign anyone there. Can you really blame fans for hoping he shows more of the positive list and stays fit?

Can you blame us for getting a bit excited when he looks to be in good form heading into a new season under a new coach when he could solve a major issue in our squad?

None of the excitement seems that surprising to me honestly.
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To be fair, even during his peak, he has often been heavily criticised on having very poor movements and being lazy on the pitch though.

The excitement mostly comes from his form during preseasons, and him being better in hold up play, bringing more team play in our attacking move, and fitting better in ETH system.
 
He is currently the best focal point of attack at United. Rashford can’t lead the line. Ronaldo is a poacher and doesn’t work hard enough. Martial holds the ball up decently and has a decent back-to-goal game. He also links up well with Rashford, Sancho and Bruno. A less hardworking, more technical version of Firminho.

In our situation where we needed and still need so many reinforcements, especially in midfield, a striker wasn’t going to a priority signing as we’ve seen with ETH focusing on FDJ all summer. Next season we will need to go for a GK, RB, CF and FDJ. I hope we are already identifying potential targets and go for them at the earliest possible opportunity rather than dither. There also seems to be a small pool of top young strikers whom are available, which makes me question why the hell we weren’t in for that Argentinian kid City brought in or even Gabriel Jesus.

I have a soft spot for Martial and still have some hope that he will succeed here, but I highly doubt it if I’m to be completely honest.
 
I don't have any degree of confidence in him. He's done nothing to earn it and he has been at the club a long time, so I don't feel he is hard done by if he is judged according to his body of work.

Far too inconsistent, lacks intensity and desire to be a top player, and is now picking up annoying injuries.

The striker situation isn't particularly healthy at the moment but it is likely ETH will have to muddle through this season with the available options unless Ronaldo can be moved on, and stopgap number 48 signed. In that context Martial looks an okay choice which is probably why people are getting behind the idea. It does not in any way mean it is ideal or good.
 
Passitlikescholes said:
This pre-season, he actually seemed to be in physical shape, to me that may indicate a change in mentality/maturity. Along with his closing down (in pre-season and the half game he played), again it's another indication of change in mentality/maturity.

At the moment, it's an indication that he MAY be changing. But if he has finally matured and understood the aspects of looking after his body and not being given anything on a platter, that he needs to fight for it, then given his performance vs Liverpool, he'll go a long way to being a vital piece for this season.

Does ETH want to keep him beyond this season? Who knows but at this stage of the transfer window it doesn't look like we're brining anyone else in and so Martial's the best option we have, while at the same time he has also shown some signs of hope/positivity.
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His contract is almost up. Time to shape up and get a new contract.
 
There is an old saying: When on the Mountain there is No Tiger, Monkey is King.
 
shamans said:
I really don't understand this.

The guy didn't get a single goal for Sevilla and was hardly integral to their team.

He has had one season with 23 goals preceded by a 12 goal season and succeed by seven.

He is injury prone. Predictable movements. Weak mentality player.

I realize the Ronaldo drama leaves us with nothing upfront but at his 7th year at Manchester United, why do I suddenly see people naming him in their starting squads and ideal 11?

Not only that, how are people turning their nose up at the idea of Depay? He's no world beater but look at what we have
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This one is obvious. He was playing superbly in pre season, looked great in his one appearance vs Liverpool and generally is our most natural player when it comes to CF play (holding the ball up, bringing others in, calmness in congested areas etc)

That doesn't mean people trust him of course. Just that in this moment in time he's the best we have.
 
Delusion is something many fans have in common. Some have it for Martial and come up with big justification and excuse and all. Some have that for Shaw
Some have that for Maguire. They come up blaming Lindelof and De gea for what Maguire does do it does not do
 
OverratedOpinion said:
He is almost flawlessly talented.
  • Beautiful first touch
  • Good dribbler
  • Can finish
  • Can shoot from distance
  • Strong
  • Fast
  • Good passer of the ball
He has shown all of that. Now the negatives.
  • Injury prone the last 2 years.
  • Inconsistent.
Given the lack of options we have up front and the fact we may very well not sign anyone there. Can you really blame fans for hoping he shows more of the positive list and stays fit?

Can you blame us for getting a bit excited when he looks to be in good form heading into a new season under a new coach when he could solve a major issue in our squad?

None of the excitement seems that surprising to me honestly.
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Problem is you've undercooked the negatives. The positives I would agree with, albeit they are inconsistent as you duly note, but nobody really has him down as a shit technical footballer or awful athlete, his talent is well spoken of.

But when you start getting into intensity, real desire to perform, competitiveness, we don't really see it. It's more like a bloke turning up, trying a few nice bits of football if the ball directly arrives at his feet, and if it's a good day it's a good day, and if it's not we'll see nothing, something which extends into months and then seasons.

This lack of intensity permeates into other areas of his game, such as no movement, not sniffing out opportunities in the box as it's easier to not make the run than potentially run thanklessly, and questionable ability as a 90 minute footballer.

So there is definitely a combination of intangible qualities that are hugely lacking that in my opinion then leads to more specific holes in his game.
 
Threads like this are funny. The entire thing is this one big echo chamber of a chunk of our fans apparently being morons, clueless, delusional etc Whereas I'm struggling to find people who think he's world class and a player they're willing to bank on (in an ideal world).

So if the objective was to dump on him then well done I guess. But basically we have a lot of people here talking about imaginary people (or a very very small sub set, there's always a few fans who rate any player super highly/are their fans) they wish to rant at.
 
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