What about Martial's past, future or present makes people suddenly trust him?

To be honest, most of us are desperate that Martial becomes the goal scoring machine we all hoped he would be when we picked up him up -- SIX SEASONS ago. We can see the talent, but we acknowledge the years and years of disappointment. We might as well stick with him as we can't sell him. And if he does come good, we've hit the jackpot. And if he doesn't, it's another season of wages wasted which would be the case anyway if we let him rot on the bench. Our options are not abundant, are they?
 
Martial has a fanbase of people that have always trusted him. Martial FC is a thing for a reason. There are people like me that don't 100% trust him, but know that he has talent, and are willing to give him another chance. He played well in pre-season, and had an excellent 45 minutes against Liverpool. ETH also seems to rate him. Unless we're are signing another striker in the next 3 days, we need him to get his shit together, and perform for us.

He is a talented player. Just inconsistent and injuries are a concern.
 
Most of our players have never really ever gotten top level coaching. That’s why they couldn’t respond to Ralf Ragnick’s pressing instructions… something that is now commonplace for top and medium clubs.
Dalot, Mctominay, Martial have improved considerably (the movement of other players around them also creates space and opportunities. Unfortunately Martial injury record hasn’t improved and if anything seems to be getting worse.
 
shamans said:
I really don't understand this.

The guy didn't get a single goal for Sevilla and was hardly integral to their team.

He has had one season with 23 goals preceded by a 12 goal season and succeed by seven.

He is injury prone. Predictable movements. Weak mentality player.

I realize the Ronaldo drama leaves us with nothing upfront but at his 7th year at Manchester United, why do I suddenly see people naming him in their starting squads and ideal 11?

Not only that, how are people turning their nose up at the idea of Depay? He's no world beater but look at what we have
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You've got a point. Not long ago it seemed obvious that he was finished at United, and for good reasons. I'm buying that his pre-season performance and our rather extensive need to bring in players means it makes good sense to give it another go. But when there's talk of a new contract, I can't believe it. He did after all do basically nothing for two whole seasons, on 13m a year.
 
We've already spent over 200 million this summer, we can't replace everyone and we have a lack of better options. Ronaldo obviously wants away and is incapable of playing the way ten hag probably wants us to play. Martial is pretty much our only option at this point, and he has shown in the past that if he is trusted then he can perform.

Essentially, he's probably not the solution but we have no one better right now.
 
For me, it's hope. He's so technically sound that I just keep hoping it's a matter of time before it clicks and he goes on a run of form. It's like my mind cannot accept that a player like him who has all the tools won't make it here. Which is ironic, as Pogba (another gifted player who should have succeeded here) just left the club after being unable to cut it.
 
Yeah the talk of a new contract is frankly bizzare, hes had a good pre-season, but lets not forget a few months back we were all concerned we wouldn't be able to sell him becuase of how high his wages are and poor his form has been, now we are considering uping his wages? crazy!!!

If he has a really good season and looks like his attitude will be correct going forward, yeah sign him up, but he has to deliver on a regular bases before we should even consider extending his contract never mind raising his wages.
 
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I've seen people on here describe him as our most important player. That kind of stupidity is breathtaking.
 
You've got to work with what you've got.

What a bizarre question.
 
Because when he's at his best he's mint

Football fans should at heart be optimists or what's the point?

The constant negativity about fckin everything that surrounds the modern football fan is exhausting
 
i dont think anyone outside out side the most hardcore fanboys trust him but we are very light in a position that is extremely difficult to improve/reinforce. Also i think that after a few years of him and his agent flirting with Sevilla that he has learned from that experience that the grass is not greener away from Utd and he may actually put in an effort at least for this season for ETH.
 
Adebisi's Hat said:
i dont think anyone outside out side the most hardcore fanboys trust him but we are very light in a position that is extremely difficult to improve/reinforce. Also i think that after a few years of him and his agent flirting with Sevilla that he has learned from that experience that the grass is not greener away from Utd and he may actually put in an effort at least for this season for ETH.
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Tall order.
 
Red_Aaron said:
Because when he's at his best he's mint

Football fans should at heart be optimists or what's the point?

The constant negativity about fckin everything that surrounds the modern football fan is exhausting
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I feel ya fella. Let’s not forget what he was, he had a couple of seasons where he was great and got 20 goals a season. Then he and the team went to shit.

It’s not just football where everyone is negative either. Every game, TV show or movie I watch and want to chat to folk about is surrounded by negativity. It’s depressing.
 
Trigg said:
I feel ya fella. Let’s not forget what he was, he had a couple of seasons where he was great and got 20 goals a season. Then he and the team went to shit.

It’s not just football where everyone is negative either. Every game, TV show or movie I watch and want to chat to folk about is surrounded by negativity. It’s depressing.
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Oh its certainly a reflection of most online debate, we agree on that.

I just don't understand the appeal - people would rather be miserable - even about things they apparently love like their football team

It's the start of a new season ffs if you can't be positive now when can you ever
 
He's looked promising in pre-season and his cameo against Liverpool was effective. Maybe his loan spell hit the reset button for him, and he feels like he's got a fresh start with the new manager.

I'd be surprised if he got more than 20 goals in all competitions though; his fitness has always been his biggest frustration for me.
 
I think it has less to do with Martial and more to do with everyone turning on Ronaldo.

Last season you couldn't find a United supporter who had anything good to say about Martial. This summer all of a sudden he's the prodigal son that's gonna pull us from the depths of despair because he had a few good preseason matches against Championship-level clubs.

Martial isn't the answer, even at his best he'll never stay fit for a run of matches. If Ronaldo leaves, I sure hope we bring in another striker. If Ronaldo stays he needs to be the main attacking threat because even at 37 he's the most dangerous goalscorer in this squad by a wide margin.
 
From his past, the season under LVG. From the present, our best option up front. From the future, the 30 goals he scored in the 22/23 season.
 
I think it's pretty clear that if he could stay healthy and motivated that he would be an extremely good player. Unfortunately, in the 6 years he's been here he's shown that he's basically incapable of staying both healthy and motivated at the same time for any meaningful stretch of time. I like him a lot when he's on it but pinning any hopes of a good season on him seems like a very futile idea. I mean here we are 4 games in to this season and he's managed to play 45 minutes total.
 
Martial before he lost his form, you would bet your house that he was going to score if he gets a chance. Then he started to miss everything. He was still getting into the positions. Then he lost everything. Now he seems to have put all behind him. He certainly has the talent. But I still don't think he is going to get into the positions where he is going to poach goals.
 
Martial is not the only player who is to play striker role. It is to be shared between Ronaldo, Martial and Rashford. We need a replacement only if Ronaldo leaves. With Ronaldo in team, Depay & Martial is an overkill with less minutes for them and eventual lesser performance.
Anyway Striker situation will be addressed next summer. It is last chance for Martial to make it his own.
As midfield is better, more opportunities will be created. This season with addition of Casemiro, Eriksen and Antony + ETH coaching, the team will perform better. I expect more goals from other players as well.
 
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Another thread to slag Martial off
Let’s just support our players when they are playing well
 
@shamans I can't speak for anyone else and certainly have my doubts but he scored 17 goals in the premier League alone in that good season of his. That's a ridiculously good haul - Wayne Rooney only got more than that twice in his career with us.

He's clearly got it in him to be an elite striker, but obviously we've not seen it often enough.
 
His injury record is enough to not trust him to be fair. Saha was a quality striker but it doesn't matter in the end if you can't play the majority of the games.

In a United side that is creating chances then a confident and determined Martial is going to get goals, he's generally a decent finisher. It seems like he's going to get another chance with us this season, but it's towards the end of the season that we should be evaluating whether he deserves a new contract and whether he should be part of our plans going forward. Talk of a new contract now is mind boggling, but it's also a bit early to totally write him off given he's been given this extra chance.

We also should absolutely be on the look out for a new striker anyway though, what Martial may or may not achieve this season isn't a factor in that really as I'm hopeful that there's better options out there.
 
I don’t trust he’s the answer but we all know he has some freakish qualities that if the right manager could get him on track he can become a top player.

He skinned Liverpool in just a cameo and had a great pre reason to be fair otherwise I thought he was done at the club. I’ve never doubted his talent when he’s on the ball. Martial does things other strikers can only dream about dribbling wise at his best.
 
I honestly believe Martial doesnt like football, and sees it soley as a job. Either that or he just hates the physical side of football.
He has the talent, but his heart isnt in it imo.
 
Think the striker pool is so low on quality at the minuet, most names we have been linked with really don’t inspire confidence. Because of the underwhelming names we have been linked with it is more hope than anything that he can find some form and fitness, it dose worry me he dosent seem to have a hunger for goals, never breaking his neck to get on the end of a cross etc but time will tell, surly his last chance with is this season.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Threads like this are funny. The entire thing is this one big echo chamber of a chunk of our fans apparently being morons, clueless, delusional etc Whereas I'm struggling to find people who think he's world class and a player they're willing to bank on (in an ideal world).

So if the objective was to dump on him then well done I guess. But basically we have a lot of people here talking about imaginary people (or a very very small sub set, there's always a few fans who rate any player super highly/are their fans) they wish to rant at.
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@amolbhatia50k - agreed. I wonder if such a stinking pile of a thread (questioning ‘our’ trust in one of our first team) would be tolerated by moderators a few years back. I know it kind of coagulates the super-opinionated nay-sayers in one place. Best we can hope for; keep them distracted for a while.

Reading the posts is quite Amazing: check the authority of the language! Shows you about confirmation bias, echo chamber, etc. I’m sure all this insight is giving Ten Hag restless nights.

In the meantime, best of luck to Martial. He’s had his troubles. There’s a twinkle in his eye, a spirit of adventure I would dearly love to see fulfilled.
 
We should end our posts with Martial is shit so it's known where are we with his situation.
 
If he manages to stay fit and play at least 25 games in the prem this season, I have little doubt he will shine.
 
I think it's because he's so talented he keeps suckering you into thinking he can turn a corner.

Even in his cameo against Liverpool you could see moments of pure class that the likes of Rashford and Elanga just don't posses. The way he usually his body, his instant control, the way he glides with the ball...he just looks like a really good player.

His problem has always been mental. I think everything came too easy for him at a young age and he started to believe his own hype.
 
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