Sooooo. I guess we just sit back and wait for her to do stupid stuff that we can laugh at?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
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in liz we truss
At least the memes are going to be good
Most feckable PM since Major
This Morning is Daily Mail Television. Holly and Phil are the worst.
hang on... thats been reserved for me and the other blairite scum since 2015
it will be one of her tools. the farcical villain role played by "name any european state" will be another. and then the general culture war on top.
it won't be easy though. over a decade into austerity, the mask has slipped almost entirely. people aren't buying the symbolic ideological bullshit any more. the government will have to deal with the economic base in a very real way and there's no route around it.
It’s weird how often England has a PM that hasn’t actually been voted in by the public isn’t it?
Like would this fly in other countries? Genuine question.
Like would this fly in other countries? Genuine question.
How bad is Meloni?Boris wasn't voted in by us, May wasn't voted in by us.
This is all standard here.
I can't believe how weak Tory leadership is. Are all the smart Tories too busy making millions of dollars? Doesn't anyone with wealth and power on the right care about the country, want to see it improve?
Neither was Brown though.
Truss's speech about the Tories being the greatest party in the world made me sick in my mouth though.
Strangely though since thatcher every PM with the exception of Brown subsequently won a pubic election (truss having not faced one yet) so perhaps that's one of the reasons we seem to be ok with it?
Thatcher - not voted in but subsequently won an election
Major - not voted in but subsequently won an election
Blair - was voted in originally
Brown - not voted in and never won an election
Cameron - was voted in originally
May - not voted in but subsequently won an election
Johnson - not voted in but subsequently won an election
Truss - not voted in and TBC
Even Brown if the Libs had decided to side with him could have remained PM
Indeed. It speaks perhaps of a fear of affecting actual change.
I know, exactly.
Sorry buddy you've been bumped to third in
First things first, who would?
How different would things now be had that occurred I wonder?
Hit her over the head with a loaf of bread? Yup.
Yep, I remember Boris writing at the time how deeply undemocratic that was.
not sure - I think it would have been pretty controversial given that the conservatives won the most seats by some way
also 650 seats - less 5 for sinnfein who dont attend
Therefore they would have needed 323 seats to form a majority and Im not sure if that was possible so they may have had to rule as a minority with confidence and supply like may
258 Labour and 57 Libs would have put them at 315 MP's - Potentially they could have got the greens on board (1 vote)
Even if they had got the SNP on board as well as the greens they would have only had 322 - add in the one alliance vote and you have the 323 but that would have been very difficult to govern and probably one of the reasons the Libs went into the coalition with Cameron
So would probably have been a minority Government with little authority and less ability to pass legislation.
Suspect Cameron would have stayed as conservative leader and won the next election which I imagine would have come around fairy quickly (there were by elections for labour seats in 2011 and whilst they retained them all thats unlikely to have been the case if they were in power
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You lot are really shit at picking Prime Ministers.
Meloni is a bit scarier than Truss. I know I'm scared of all that she represents.
It's not like the general public got a say. Democracy manifest.
We barely get a chance in fairness.
Not a direct say, but this reflects on all of Britain. There's nothing wrong with a parliamentary system, it doesn't mean you have to follow Boris Johnson with Liz Truss. Never mind May and honestly even Cameron.
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You might not know it but you're much further right than Blair.
I wouldn't put you in the gulag. Just ban you from reading Guido.
Our dim populace is fed a diet of this 24/7.
‘Regal’ Liz Truss’ power pose shows she’s in control, says body language expert as new PM ‘channels Thatcher’
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19711906/pm-liz-truss-power-control-body-language/
I suppose it would be a change to feck a tory instead of getting fecked by one
I reckon her chuff smells like a pork market.
One cnut (BJ) followed another (LT) the Tories could kill half the population and still be voted in
Actually killing the 48% might be their best hope...
What, how? Why doesn't it mean you have to follow Boris Johnson with Liz Truss? We haven't had an election on Truss, it hasn't been put to a vote beyond the tiny Tory membership whom I imagine are literally the worst of the worst.
Boris Johnson was a travesty and any sane person could see what a twat he was in 2019, only he was up against Corbyn who was for right or wrong divisive as a person even though he ran with incredibly popular policies (a fair few of which ironically ended up getting robbed by the Tories).
Cameron had to go into coalition with the Libs and 2015 was a shock victory. Even then he only lasted a year before May was put in place by the 1922/membership, only to lose her majority in 2017 at her only GE.
Granted, we live in a country that defaults to the Tories at the best of times but recent events aren't really indicative of the electorate and if there was an election tomorrow the bookies would back the Tories to haemorrhage support and likely lose (although I'll never be too confident of that happening).
The biggest issue is that we literally do not get the governments that we vote for unless there's an obscene landslide like in 1997.
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I mean, most of your post is you basically explaining exactly how this reflects on all of Britain. This doesn't happen everywhere.
Honestly though, this wouldn't have happened at all if you didn't have those awful single representative districts. You're basically a parliamentary democracy with very little room for parliamentary politics. You're left with two overwhelmingly large parties, and then when something like this happens there's no re-organizing of the coalition, it's just re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
even then the labour government got 43.2% of the vote (actually less than boris managed in 2019 with 43.6%)
The coalition of Cameron and Clegg commanded 59.1% (though turnout was only 65.1% so only 38.5% of the population actually voted for it)
the only government to ever have more than 50% of the people vote for them since WW1 was the war time coalition in 1935 which recieved 97.7% of the votes on a 71.7% turnout (so 70% of the population)
he only other government since WW1 to have over 50% vote share was the 1918 coalition
basically the only time 50% of people who voted get a government they have voted for is with a coalition so yeah PR - we really should
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