Westminster Politics

She worries me. Most PMs are intelligent people even if they believe in taking the country in a different direction than I do, Boris included. Truss on the other hand doesn't appear to be intelligent in the slightest.

I also heard some of the plans she hasn't made public and the combination could be deadly.
 
nimic said:
You lot are really shit at picking Prime Ministers.
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In truth we never really do... political parties pick their leader and the public votes for the party of choice, whose leader then becomes PM.
I suppose in a GE situation the public could be said, in a way, to pick the PM, but then usually there are only two choices, the leader of the Tories or the Leader of the Labour Party.... sorry Lib-Dem's your leader is not in the running! Nationalists are not in the running either, for obvious reasons, their leaders battle for their own private kingdoms, within the United Kingdom. Maybe in the future the Greens or even the Monster Raving Looney Party may offer up better choices...who knows?
 
11101 said:
She worries me. Most PMs are intelligent people even if they believe in taking the country in a different direction than I do, Boris included. Truss on the other hand doesn't appear to be intelligent in the slightest.

I also heard some of the plans she hasn't made public and the combination could be deadly.
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She will carry out JRM evil plans. Hes an evil peado looking cnut, shes his little puppet.
 
Has anyone got any detail on her plans regarding an energy price freeze? That's all I can find as a headline, but no actual detail on what levels they will be frozen at. Or have I misread and it's that due to the rising cost of energy it's us that will be frozen?
 
nimic said:
I mean, most of your post is you basically explaining exactly how this reflects on all of Britain. This doesn't happen everywhere.

Honestly though, this wouldn't have happened at all if you didn't have those awful single representative districts. You're basically a parliamentary democracy with very little room for parliamentary politics. You're left with two overwhelmingly large parties, and then when something like this happens there's no re-organizing of the coalition, it's just re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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But it doesn't. It's winner takes all, meaning that it literally cannot reflect all of Britain - that's the point.

Even Labour under Corbyn the Unelectable got 40+% of the vote. If he had won, would he have reflected the other 40 odd percent that voted for May or Boris? Obviously not. If we get actual tactical voting at the next GE we might see a government that reflects majority will, but our shit system is not built on any form of cross party compromise so I imagine it'll be a tough ask.

sun_tzu said:
even then the labour government got 43.2% of the vote (actually less than boris managed in 2019 with 43.6%)

The coalition of Cameron and Clegg commanded 59.1% (though turnout was only 65.1% so only 38.5% of the population actually voted for it)

the only government to ever have more than 50% of the people vote for them since WW1 was the war time coalition in 1935 which recieved 97.7% of the votes on a 71.7% turnout (so 70% of the population)

he only other government since WW1 to have over 50% vote share was the 1918 coalition

basically the only time 50% of people who voted get a government they have voted for is with a coalition so yeah PR - we really should
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This illustrates the point perfectly.
 
Commiserations. She sounds awful. Guardian had an article on her this morning where she praised BoJo, Brexit, and credited the Tories for some other fairly calamitous decisions. I was under the impression that most Brits were now against Brexit, or is it just split ideologically between Labour (against it) and Tories (for it)?
 
Maticmaker said:
In truth we never really do... political parties pick their leader and the public votes for the party of choice, whose leader then becomes PM.
I suppose in a GE situation the public could be said, in a way, to pick the PM, but then usually there are only two choices, the leader of the Tories or the Leader of the Labour Party.... sorry Lib-Dem's your leader is not in the running! Nationalists are not in the running either, for obvious reasons, their leaders battle for their own private kingdoms, within the United Kingdom. Maybe in the future the Greens or even the Monster Raving Looney Party may offer up better choices...who knows?
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Not quite, the public vote for an individual person, which gives that person the power to vote in parliament, until the next election. That person could switch parties if they want to, or vote to ditch the party leader/prime minister you thought you were voting for and pick a different one. Short of having referenda on everything I'm not sure how else it could work really.
 
sun_tzu said:
even then the labour government got 43.2% of the vote (actually less than boris managed in 2019 with 43.6%)

The coalition of Cameron and Clegg commanded 59.1% (though turnout was only 65.1% so only 38.5% of the population actually voted for it)

the only government to ever have more than 50% of the people vote for them since WW1 was the war time coalition in 1935 which recieved 97.7% of the votes on a 71.7% turnout (so 70% of the population)

he only other government since WW1 to have over 50% vote share was the 1918 coalition

basically the only time 50% of people who voted get a government they have voted for is with a coalition so yeah PR - we really should
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Absolutely PR would be more representative. The FPTP system is not fit for purpose.
 
711 said:
Not quite, the public vote for an individual person, which gives that person the power to vote in parliament, until the next election. That person could switch parties if they want to, or vote to ditch the party leader/prime minister you thought you were voting for and pick a different one. Short of having referenda on everything I'm not sure how else it could work really.
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Both your post and the one you replied to are ignoring the role of policy. The electorate might vote for individual MPs or a specific party but first and foremost they're voting for those promising policy.

If she doesn't stick to their manifesto in principle then she should trigger an election.

That's without getting into character and it's bollocks to say that no one votes for the leader. There's plenty of those who voted Tory in the election that wouldn't have if she was leader.
 
I can't tell you all how disappointed I am that Truss is our new PM. She didn't even use the slogan "Truss the process" once during her campaign. Ridiculous.
 
Never mind Truss or Sunak, I wouldn't have a single one of those in the current parliament to be PM to be honest.

As I get older, I sympathise with the non-voters more and more.
 
Smores said:
Both your post and the one you replied to are ignoring the role of policy. The electorate might vote for individual MPs or a specific party but first and foremost they're voting for those promising policy.

If she doesn't stick to their manifesto in principle then she should trigger an election.

That's without getting into character and it's bollocks to say that no one votes for the leader. There's plenty of those who voted Tory in the election that wouldn't have if she was leader.
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I agree people think they are voting for the party leader, I am saying that in reality they aren't.

Similarly, it's not 'they might vote for individual MPs or a specific party' even if they think it is, in reality it is just individual MPs, and unfortunately once elected they can change their mind on policy later or even lie their faces off about it in the first place, they would still be MPs.

Quite shit really ain't it?
 
spiriticon said:
Never mind Truss or Sunak, I wouldn't have a single one of those in the current parliament to be PM to be honest
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There are probably close to 600 MPs who would make a less embarrassing PM though. The all-of-them-are-just-as-bad argument fails miserably in this particular instance.
 
cafecillos said:
There are probably close to 600 MPs who would make a less embarrassing PM though. The all-of-them-are-just-as-bad argument fails miserably in this particular instance.
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'Less embarrassing' does not mean good.

And quite frankly, they all start to embarrass themselves in one way or another once they are in the top job.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Priti Patel quits as home secretary after Liz Truss’s leadership victory Cabinet minister steps down to return to Tory backbenches following election of Truss as party leader


Priti Patel quits as home secretary after Liz Truss’s leadership victory
Cabinet minister steps down to return to Tory backbenches following election of Truss as party leader


Make the most of it for a few short hours until Braverman is appointed.
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No wonder she was in such a foul mood, telling the opposition to shut up. Good riddance
 
I've never heard of her. Is she good? An improvement over Borris at least? Are people in the UK now optimistic?
 
Fridge chutney said:
I've never heard of her. Is she good? An improvement over Borris at least? Are people in the UK now optimistic?
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It depends what you mean by good, so whether she's talented, intelligent or a good honourable person. The answer is no, she's not any of those.
 
sun_tzu said:
even then the labour government got 43.2% of the vote (actually less than boris managed in 2019 with 43.6%)

The coalition of Cameron and Clegg commanded 59.1% (though turnout was only 65.1% so only 38.5% of the population actually voted for it)

the only government to ever have more than 50% of the people vote for them since WW1 was the war time coalition in 1935 which recieved 97.7% of the votes on a 71.7% turnout (so 70% of the population)

he only other government since WW1 to have over 50% vote share was the 1918 coalition

basically the only time 50% of people who voted get a government they have voted for is with a coalition so yeah PR - we really should
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Or you could argue that the Tories voted for a Tory govt and the Liberals for a Liberal govt. So the coalition had zero support. A government nobody wanted implementing policies few wanted.
 
Ayoba said:
I stopped following this race, only just catching up on things. How did Rishi fall so back in the opinion polls? He seemed guaranteed to be the next PM. What next for him?
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Wrong colour for the people voting in the leadership contest maybe?
 
I see Priti Patel has jumped before she was pushed and that truss is going to name her cabinet tomorrow

Who are we all expecting for the top jobs?

Chancellor... kwarteng
Foreign sec... Cleverly
Home sec... Braveman
Heath... Coffey
Defence ...Wallace
Education ... Badenoch

Would be my guesses
 


Nothing on earth will ever convince me that Michael Fabricant is a real person and not part of a comedy skit impersonating Boris Johnson
 
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