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I would recommend we listen to Rory Stewart’s comments on parliament. We are governed by the lowest denominator of our society. These people couldn’t run a tap. They are not serious people.
Well he should know. Very perceptive and highly intelligent man.
Do you want to be in my gang, my gang my gang. Absolutely pathetic little boys. Oh wait. These are the people who are supposed to be running our country.
How we got into this mess as a country is pretty obvious. We were continually lied to by the biggest compulsive liar of them all... Boris. And the gullible swallowed his lies Hook Line And Sinker.
Edit.
And Labour were simply not electable as a party and with a leader like Corbyn.
That's an outlier one though, SNP only runs in Scotland. Way more votes per constituency.
Well the votes per constituency thing is kind of the whole point.
If the SNP comparison bothers you, you can use the lib dems instead. Potentially 4% more votes only but with 29 times the representation.
Why are you explaining this to me? Do you think this is a new phenomena?
What a weird escalatory response. I made a post on the thread, talking about how ridiculous FPTP is from different angles.
You made the choice to reply, telling me Scotland is a special case. I then used another national party instead.
At no point did I say this was a new phenomenon or try to explain a system to you or anyone else for that matter?
If my posts for whatever reason bother you that much, please feel free to put me on ignore.
Tory rebels holding a press conference. This is theatre. These people don’t take the issue of governance seriously.
This tweet encapsulates British politics and how we are moving more and more to the right.
This tweet encapsulates British politics and how we are moving more and more to the right.
The Tories will wave the vote through. No way they would vote against it as it would probably be the death knell of the Tory party
Even if they wanted to be serious they couldn't because a) their ideas are bad for 99% of people and b) they are the dregs of a party that Cameron and Boris trashed. I won't put it on the other worthless PMs we've had in the last 13 years because Truss is just the hubris in Boris' arsehole animated as a person and May and Sunak are just weak character actors playing the devil in a terrible modern pantomime.
The curse of the Labour party. The centre undermines the left, the left undermines the centre they both blame each other.
That said, the Tories are starting to go that way but I bet they fall in line when their donors tell them to.
Tory MPs being summoned by the headmaster for a well earned flogging for having the audacity to think that his Rwanda policy is going to fail.
Well put.
Sunak is hilarious when he tries to sound like he is strong. All he does is raises his voice and repeats himself again and again.
Just listening to a very informative discussion on Radio 5live. First from a man who has recently worked in Rwanda and the DRC. And he is absolutely adamant that Rwanda is not by any stretch of the imagination a safe country.
And it has been pointed out that our government has already committed close to £300m with another £700m allocated to the Rwanda plan. £1bn it is costing.
And the maximum number of immigrants Rwanda can process each year....500 maximum.
So. To put this into perspective. In 2022 there were 745,000 immigrants coming into the UK.
And all the narrative from the government is about the possibility of sending a maximum of 500/year to Rwanda!!!
All for the tidy sum of £1,000,000 of your and my money.
Fantastic eh.
And it has been pointed out that our government has already committed close to £300m with another £700m allocated to the Rwanda plan. £1bn it is costing.
And the maximum number of immigrants Rwanda can process each year....500 maximum.
So. To put this into perspective. In 2022 there were 745,000 immigrants coming into the UK.
And all the narrative from the government is about the possibility of sending a maximum of 500/year to Rwanda!!!
All for the tidy sum of £1,000,000 of your and my money.
Fantastic eh.
LBC reporting that an asylum seeker has died on the Bibby Stockholm.
Probably less safe than fecking Rwanda. Bastards.
Asylum seeker onboard Bibby Stockholm barge dies
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/12/asylum-seeker-onboard-bibby-stockholm-barge-dies
Asylum seeker onboard Bibby Stockholm barge dies
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/12/asylum-seeker-onboard-bibby-stockholm-barge-dies
Yes, the fact is its going to cost millions either way on immigration control, no one seems to have any real idea how to do it with out incurring large costs, or completely capitulating, or in particular, risk breaking international asylum law.
However much there is a need for proper control, the Rwanda scheme is just daft and expensive to boot and won't have much impact, even if it was successful.
The simple fact is the country needs a new and properly planned immigration approach, with a system that meets not just existing needs, but the increase in demand that will occur over the next half century, due to climate issues. However, until Politicians are seen to be doing something about the 'queue jumping', whether via small boats or via other people smuggling schemes, no 'political' capital will be expended or indeed risked, because it's not the thing people care about most.
However, enough people are enraged by the lack of control, that or they don't understand the realities of the situation, to make a difference at the next GE. Hence that is the 'thin thread' the Tories are hanging onto and backing, in order to try to stop them being annihilated at the next GE.
This is mind boggling
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67692099
This is fecking awful. RIP to the human being that our government treated as anything but.
This is what happens when you have to clear up after a Labour Government.
The vast majority of the histeria surrounding immigration is being spun by Sunak.
He decided to have Stop The Boats as one of his 5 committments.
Not stop immigration but specifically stop the boats. Because he knew very well what time total immigration number was going to be - 745,000.
The Rwanda plan is as you rightly say just plain daft.
He may well win his vote today in the HoC. But the HoL are not going to be bribed by a salmon breakfast. It is full of learned judges.
Furthermore, a number of MPs have said they will vote for the Rwanda plan on the basis they don't want a leadership contest. Others have said publicly that they will vote for it knowing that the plan is never going to work.
What a wonderful government.
I am trying to put myself in his shoes. Must be soul destroying.
Genius yet again from Politics Joe.
Where’s the white text?
Sometimes it’s really not needed
Am I wildly off with my prediction that he is going to lose the Rwanda vote and his position will become untenable resulting in letters to the 1922 committee and he’s a goner.
Yes, this is all for show. He'll win this vote, but have tougher challenges in January whether to side with the right wing nutters or moderates in the Tory party on the 3rd reading.
... however, if he does lose the vote then I've got the popcorn ready
Yes, this is all for show. He'll win this vote, but have tougher challenges in January whether to side with the right wing nutters or moderates in the Tory party on the 3rd reading.
... however, if he does lose the vote then I've got the popcorn ready
Agreed.
He will win the vote. But the question is... will it mean anything. Will anyone actually be sent to Rwanda.
If you need white text for that it's a you problem.
He won't lose it here but he will get shafted further down the line.
Nick Brown resigns from Labour over ‘complete farce’ disciplinary process
Nick Brown, a veteran Labour MP and former chief whip, has announced he has resigned from the party over a long-running internal disciplinary process involving him that Brown said had become “a complete farce”.
In a lengthy and furious letter, Brown said he would not stand again at the next election, in part because he is now 73 and has been in parliament for 40 years.
However, he said this decision was made against the “backdrop of a long-running internal Labour party disciplinary process against me – a process which I consider (and am advised) is so fundamentally, and inexcusably, flawed that I can no longer engage with it”.
In his letter, released via the legal firm Carter-Ruck, Brown said the complaint, the details of which have not been made public, came from “a political rival within the party” and concerned an alleged event said to have taken place more than 25 years earlier.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ns-labour-complete-farce-disciplinary-process
Nick Brown, a veteran Labour MP and former chief whip, has announced he has resigned from the party over a long-running internal disciplinary process involving him that Brown said had become “a complete farce”.
In a lengthy and furious letter, Brown said he would not stand again at the next election, in part because he is now 73 and has been in parliament for 40 years.
However, he said this decision was made against the “backdrop of a long-running internal Labour party disciplinary process against me – a process which I consider (and am advised) is so fundamentally, and inexcusably, flawed that I can no longer engage with it”.
In his letter, released via the legal firm Carter-Ruck, Brown said the complaint, the details of which have not been made public, came from “a political rival within the party” and concerned an alleged event said to have taken place more than 25 years earlier.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ns-labour-complete-farce-disciplinary-process
It doesn't matter whether he wins the vote. It's just for show. They talk about legal migration which has exploded because of Brexit. They talk of asylum seekers and refugees, who aren't illegal, and which is a tiny figure. These agitate the public. But they never talk about the real illegal immigrants like visa overstayers and they have no idea of the numbers of real illegal immigrants so they don't mention them and demonise all the others.
It's never going to pass international law so it will cost them many billions of pounds more if their trade deals are annulled and the Windsor framework/NIP is put in danger because of breaking international law.
Peter Bone is voting. Desperation.
It's that desperate, sex pests are turning up and voting.