2 min silence?
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As has been made clear with the covid inquiry, many of these political operators in downing st and whitehall may be bright in the conventional sense (schooling etc) but when it comes to politics and real world issues, they just dont seem to be very good at doing their jobs properly. Yes hiring Cameron takes the bandwith away from Braverman for a little bit, but it just opens another can of worms with the tory brexiteers and also the whole lobbying / corruption. It also opens the door to the reform party getting more coverage / splitting the vote. Which will bite them on the arse within the next few weeks / months into the leadup to the next GE. Certainly makes the upcoming wellingborough by-election more interesting, especially of Bone stands again as a reform party rather than tory candidate...
Because you're essentially saying none of your MPs are up to task (they're not, this became apparent at the end of Johnson). However true that is it's not gonna sit well.
You've then got rid of Suella, a figurehead of the right and ERG, and replaced her with a remainer for foreign secretary. Again not gonna sit well, already seeing tweets of meetings taking place between senior Tory party members.
Braverman did not inspire the protests, despite her and the right wing media attempting to make up a different narrative.
If I'm honest, a narrative it seems you fell for. Hook, line and sinker.
Protesting for a different response from the UK government (and opposition) is not "howling at the moon". It's a perfectly respectable position.
See Macrons comments, for example.
Macron calls on Israel to stop killing Gaza's women and babies
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67356581
It just goes to show what a joke Brexit is that even after over 7 years since the referendum, the Tories throw a strop if someone was a Brexiteer or a remainer being appointed to Government. They truly need to be removed from power.
Well, Foreign Secretary is a post out of the ordinary, even at the best of times there will be very few people in any parliamentary party who's really up to it. So it's hardly a resounding declaration of bankruptcy.
Certainly many, many Tory MPs won't like the weakening of the ERG position in the cabinet, but I don't necessarily think the same applies to Tory voters these days. At least not prospective Tory voters.
You say that about foreign secretary, but please genuinely tell me the last time a party in power plucked out a former PM (or anyone not technically in government for that matter) and gave him a lordship just to take up the position? It's pretty damning if you work for the party.
And tbf I'm not talking about Tory voters I'm talking about the actual party and MPs.
Lord Carrington in 1979.
I don't usually praise him but does anyone else think waiting out the weekend and then sacking Suella first thing Monday morning was the best way Sunak could deal with this (other than not appointing her in the first place, obviously)?
No. Sacking her within minutes of the article going out stating the contents were wildly inappropriate (at best and an attempt to incite a race riot at worst) and actually showing he could be decisive and lead with strength would have been the way to go.
Still don't think this tells anyone anything they didn't already know.
There's Tom Tugendhat I suppose, not sure why he's not an option.
Peter Mandelson for Labour might be the last time it happened when Gordon Brown was PM
Not sure he counts because he was a hereditary peer already
On principal I agree yet I fear that would have added yet another "cause" and maybe increased the number of ***** at "her" protests.
Stop it. Remembrance weekend is not a thing, no one has ever called it remembrance weekend before now. The two minute silence on Armistice day was only re introduced in 1995 and it is not a day of remembrance.
He could have waited until Wednesday when the supreme court rules on her Rwanda bollocks.
Yes it is, but will get no political change in the UK government stance, especially with an election due in the next 12 months.
Braverman will not be there to agitate in cabinet and she will have retreated to the sidelines to perhaps throw the odd grenade Sunak's way and to sort out how she might make a bid for Tory leadership, that is when Sunak goes down with Cameron as his would be 'aide-de-camp' at the next GE.
What a feckin smooth brained mouth breather
Indeed.
What did they call it last year, when the 11th was a Friday and everyone was at work?
Admittedly not normally as a specific weekend, but it was this weekend, as both days occurred in the same period. Also recognition of the Armistice was always considered by many people as part of the 'act of Remembrance', which is why the two minutes silence was reintroduced.
Greg Hands is out too. Hopefully 30p Lee will follow.
For my part I'm horrified by how the armistice remembrance is being weaponised for the purposes of right-wing culture war. If there's one thing the armistice remembrance should not be, it's that. All decent people need to push back against that. It's an insult to the men who died, far more so than failing to wear a poppy, or stealing the limelight for some different cause on the day in question.
Someone tell this prick he’s meant to be a journalist, not salvaging the blushes of his MP buddies ffs.
Agree entirely with your first part, that's my guess as well, but as you say could both be wrong!
It's a bit of a stretch bringing in Cameron after Brexit, to try (
) to influence other World leaders, even if he is officially accepted as Sunak's aide-de-camp. Also our influence in the world, even the 'soft' stuff' we normally get credited for is not high rated in the current world and it's unlikely to help Sunak, as he's let the army be run down, let go the best Defence Minister we have had for ages... just cannot see it happening. In the end we will jump with the Yanks, whatever they do we will follow.Yes.... 'One Nation Tories' oh my goodness it's splitting my sides!
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She’s going to have more spare time for her favourite past time now - being an apex predator.
I entirely agree, the protest should have been deferred, no protest of any description should be used to 'weaponise' Armistice and Remembrance days, whether they form part of a weekend or not.
It might have been referred to as that, but it certainly isn’t a weekend of remembrance. It was also very convenient for MP’s and the press to push that narrative, even though the protest was never going anywhere near the cenotaph.
The two minutes silence was observed by those protesting, there is no expectation beyond that on the 11th. I genuinely think a lot of people (not you) are confusing armistice day and Remembrance Sunday. The cenotaph is not a big event on the 11th.
I carried on doing my food shop and going about my day, football started at 12.30, loads of the country would have been having drinks in the afternoon and not “remembering” the end of World War One.
Maybe not for you doing your shopping and so on, but for many it was just that!
For those people who did observe the two minutes silence, for Armistice it was in Remembrance of the end of WWI and the slaughter it entailed. I know I observe it every year for my Grandfather who died in 1916 in a London hospital from wounds suffered on the battlefield in France. As a small child I also attended the War memorial service, on Remembrance Sunday where his name is engraved on the memorial, along with seventeen other men, five off the same street he lived, his friends and neighbours...wearing his medals.
I promise you this has nothing whatsoever to do with politicians narratives and is purely personal as it will be for thousands of others in the UK and I resent people using the Armistice for any other purpose except Remembrance.
Come on guys was hoping for more Suella memes!
Er, the protest really didn't, it's responses to it like yours that does.
I thought of Randy Orton. He needs to RKO Coffey.