Westminster Politics

[SilentWitness]

Why would she be sacked? For what? Seems to me any time someone has an opinion that isn't accepted narrative there are attempts to stymy that debate with calls of "divisiveness" or often "racism" or "something-phobia." People that use such rhetoric know they've immediately got someone over a barrell in the current climate. Then they attempt to get them sacked.

Bollocks. The worst thing she said was about homeless people and tents because the fact is it's a neglected issue, our government seems to find money for many things but not solving a problem that disgraces our nation and has done for decades so she shouldn't have used such language about tents which they don't exactly pick out of joy.

What a weird take.

 

[noodlehair]

Why would she be sacked? For what? Seems to me any time someone has an opinion that isn't accepted narrative there are attempts to stymy that debate with calls of "divisiveness" or often "racism" or "something-phobia." People that use such rhetoric know they've immediately got someone over a barrell in the current climate. Then they attempt to get them sacked.

Bollocks. The worst thing she said was about homeless people and tents because the fact is it's a neglected issue, our government seems to find money for many things but not solving a problem that disgraces our nation and has done for decades so she shouldn't have used such language about tents which they don't exactly pick out of joy.

Thus us such a weird post. I mean I doubt she'll be sacked, but it definitely wont be because she hasn't done anything to deserve to be.

She says or does things on a weekly basis that are a legitimate reason for sacking in any semi responsible government.

And what current climate? The current climate of human rights being a thing?

 

[rimaldo]

hopefully braverman’s about to find out that people will only tolerate shit around them until it starts to smell. horrible cnut deserves any bad luck that comes her way.

 

[The Corinthian]

The problem with this brand of politician is that even when they're disgraced in public office, most of them have a cushy job lined up after. BoJo, Truss, and their ilk still wield considerable pull. In olden times, they'd be put in public stocks and we'd lob rotten fruit and veg at them and they'd either be jailed or killed.

 

[Abraxas]

Thus us such a weird post. I mean I doubt she'll be sacked, but it definitely wont be because she hasn't done anything to deserve to be.

She says or does things on a weekly basis that are a legitimate reason for sacking in any semi responsible government.

And what current climate? The current climate of human rights being a thing?

"Says or does things" is non specific. That is sentiment not substance, as are a few other replies here.

I don't think her immigration points were unwarranted. I think anyone with any logic should understand it is an issue for Britain, and one that needs addressing and someone within government really should be calling that for what it is and actually taking action instead of trying to score virtue points around it or walking on eggshells. It needs lowering from both illegal and legal routes and the government at the moment are providing smoke and mirrors rather than proper strategy for it.

I don't think her comments on the police are without foundation from my experience around protesting and the way Muslims seem to get treated by comparison. There is a certain reverence or fear there, possibly because it's a large group and a more cohesive one than other groups within Britain and hard to contain if it leads to further protests, possibly the fear of being called "Islamophobic" which is always a great tactic to stifle legitimate action by the police or anyone questioning Muslims. I don't know why it exists but it does and she's not making that up from thin air.

The homeless point was the stupid comment, but I mentioned that. It's not sack worthy but it's highly insensitive and misjudged.

The problem with her for me is not her views, most of which are based in truth but the fact I am not convinced she's actually sincere. She may just be playing certain cards for whatever personal agenda she has within government.

 

[Abraxas]

She’s the Home Secretary and seems to be going out of her way to incite a riot in order to further her leadership ambitions. Even in the appalling populist depths to which UK politics has sunk in the last 7 years, her Trump tactics represent a new low.

It's not "inciting a riot" to speak the truth. If she is telling the truth on the police, it is dutiful to say it regardless of how it is received.

Anyone that riots has personal responsibility. In fact, rioting is underreported as a whole within the mainstream media - it happens on a smaller scale regularly in Britain and that's nothing to do with Braverman. There are plenty of people ready to do it, whether it's rioting or looting or whatever nefarious deeds they can get away with. Plenty of stores have a major issue with this in certain areas...and I won't go further than that on this issue because I have a feeling the truth won't be well received but look it up for yourself.

So I wouldn't be ready to blame Braverman for the potential for that.

 

[Buster15]

hopefully braverman’s about to find out that people will only tolerate shit around them until it starts to smell. horrible cnut deserves any bad luck that comes her way.

Well it is smelling pretty bad to me.

I have stepped away from the Israel Palestinian thread for some time now.

But despite me having different views to some others, I have utmost respect for people who choose to exercise their democratic right to go on a march to express their legitimate views about the war there. A war which I find difficult to take.

Braverman has totally and utterly failed in her job as Home Secretary.
And she knows that.
So she has chosen to stoke up hatred and anger on the streets of the UK and London in particular, especially on Armistice Day in order to try and show that she is strong and doing her job.

This is a planned strategy of hers of the most vile and despicable kind.
And just goes to show the lengths she is prepared to go to in order to justify her hatred of anyone who doesn't agree with her.

 

[Kaos]

It's not "inciting a riot" to speak the truth. If she is telling the truth on the police, it is dutiful to say it regardless of how it is received.

Anyone that riots has personal responsibility. In fact, rioting is underreported as a whole within the mainstream media - it happens on a smaller scale regularly in Britain and that's nothing to do with Braverman. There are plenty of people ready to do it, whether it's rioting or looting or whatever nefarious deeds they can get away with. Plenty of stores have a major issue with this in certain areas...and I won't go further than that on this issue because I have a feeling the truth won't be well received but look it up for yourself.

So I wouldn't be ready to blame Braverman for the potential for that.

What 'truth' regarding the police is she exactly bestowing upon us? And is it appropriate for the home secretary to question the neutrality and competency of the police force? Put aside the whole culture war spiel and consider that for a moment.

And I don't understand this desperate conflation of the ceasefire protest with that of a riot. It feels as though people like Braverman and her ilk are absolutely desperate for there to be some sort of trouble to kick off, praying that some fringe idiots attack the cenotaph (despite the timings of the protest and the remembrance event not aligning, and deliberately so) just to dignify her hateful rhetoric. Her irresponsible sentiments have also no doubt galvanised some EDL types who'll now be yearning for a brawl tomorrow under disingenuous patriotic pretences.

Now you might find some parity with her views and your own and I do find that unfortunate, but nevertheless its entirely inappropriate for someone who heads the home office to offer nothing but divisive soundbites straight out of a fascist handbook. She's not some 'tell it how I see' show woman on GB news, she's supposed to be the feckin home secretary. The fact she's willing to stir the pot so provocatively during armistice day of all days in the hope of furthering her own career agenda (at the expense of the PM no less) just tells you all you need to know about her character.

 

[Maticmaker]

The focus is no more about Palestine.

That is correct and it should have been obvious that holding a protest meeting this weekend would have this effect.

The right to protest is to be valued, no 'protest' meeting should be banned, yes of course 'a protest' of any kind it will upset people of a different view, but it should not be banned.
Choosing to hold any 'protest meeting' this particular weekend however, is a poor decision from the organisers, and has to be seen as an attempt to get people like Braverman to bite, and now she has, the focus has shifted on to her agenda and given her the 'oxygen' she needs, for whatever reason(s) she has to oppose.... in another parlance, a 'perfect own-goal'.

 

[Kaos]

That is correct and it should have been obvious that holding a protest meeting this weekend would have this effect.

The right to protest is to be valued, no 'protest' meeting should be banned, yes of course 'a protest' of any kind it will upset people of a different view, but it should not be banned.
Choosing to hold any 'protest meeting' this particular weekend however, is a poor decision from the organisers, and has to be seen as an attempt to get people like Braverman to bite, and now she has, the focus has shifted on to her agenda and given her the 'oxygen' she needs, for whatever reason(s) she has to oppose.... in another parlance, a 'perfect own-goal'.

Why is it inappropriate?

For starters its a protest calling for an armistice, on a day commemorating an armistice of all things. Its been setup to deliberately avoid the path of the cenotaph and timed so that it happens hours after the remembrance silence. The country won't come to a standstill tomorrow, with sporting events, trade, and even jollies at pubs going ahead as you'd expect on any other day. Surely the right to exercise one of the fundamental virtues of a democracy that was so hardly fought for would be deemed an appropriate right on a day which both remembers and reveres the sacrifices that helped achieve that?

 

[SilentWitness]

Why is it inappropriate?

For starters its a protest calling for an armistice, on a day commemorating an armistice of all things. Its been setup to deliberately avoid the path of the cenotaph and timed so that it happens hours after the remembrance silence. The country won't come to a standstill tomorrow, with sporting events, trade, and even jollies at pubs going ahead as you'd expect on any other day. Surely the right to exercise one of the fundamental virtues of a democracy that was so hardly fought for would be deemed an appropriate right on a day which both remembers and reveres the sacrifices that helped achieve that?

Indeed, it's not like it is the first march either, they've been going on each weekend for a few weeks now.

 

[Kaos]

Indeed, it's not like it is the first march either, they've been going on each weekend for a few weeks now.

Precisely. There seems to be this narrative that this protest was specifically set up for tomorrow of all days, as if it were a deliberate, one-time act of provocation. It was the likes of Braverman who decided to crudely conflate the timings to insinuate some sort of nefarious association. Last weekend it was a 'hate march', tomorrow its a march to 'riot' during armistice.

 

[Maticmaker]

Why is it inappropriate?

For starters its a protest calling for an armistice, on a day commemorating an armistice of all things. Its been setup to deliberately avoid the path of the cenotaph and timed so that it happens hours after the remembrance silence. The country won't come to a standstill tomorrow, with sporting events, trade, and even jollies at pubs going ahead as you'd expect on any other day. Surely the right to exercise one of the fundamental virtues of a democracy that was so hardly fought for would be deemed an appropriate right on a day which both remembers and reveres the sacrifices that helped achieve that?

'Poor decision' was what I suggested not that it was inappropriate! The protest is valid but not this weekend, for the reasons I've cited. The organisers decision is doing their cause no good when it allows such as Braverman, to steal the show and that is what she has done!

 

[711]

I think to help the Palestinians we need to move public opinion more in their favour, more in the US obviously, but here in the UK too. I was confident that the continuing news from Gaza would go a long way to doing this, that sympathy for the Palestinian cause would grow, with Israel coming in for more criticism, and rightly so.

I was confident, not so much now. I'm sure the march organisers didn't even think of armistice day to begin with, but when they learned the significance they should have cancelled for that weekend. Not to do so is simply counter-productive in terms of public opinion. It's not about the protests being right or wrong, or whether people are entitled to protest, it's about whether the protests work or not, and, for this particular weekend, they won't.

 

[Kaos]

'Poor decision' was what I suggested not that it was inappropriate! The protest is valid but not this weekend, for the reasons I've cited. The organisers decision is doing their cause no good when it allows such as Braverman, to steal the show and that is what she has done!

The protests have been recurring, and plan to run every weekend until there's a humanitarian resolution. Pausing it to deprive some sycophantic skidmark like Cruella of more hateful soundbites shouldn't be a reason at all, not when she evidently doesn't struggle to conjure up the usual hateful jingoism at a whim.

 

[Pexbo]

I don’t think so. Because of her, cnuts like Tommy Robinson are going there to look for trouble. The focus is no more about Palestine.

Yep it’s gold dust for the far right. They get to go in and be antisemitism AND islamophobic and generally ensure that chaos erupts confident in the knowledge that the finger won’t be pointed at them and instead their actions will be used for right wing political point scoring.

 

[Adisa]

That is correct and it should have been obvious that holding a protest meeting this weekend would have this effect.

The right to protest is to be valued, no 'protest' meeting should be banned, yes of course 'a protest' of any kind it will upset people of a different view, but it should not be banned.
Choosing to hold any 'protest meeting' this particular weekend however, is a poor decision from the organisers, and has to be seen as an attempt to get people like Braverman to bite, and now she has, the focus has shifted on to her agenda and given her the 'oxygen' she needs, for whatever reason(s) she has to oppose.... in another parlance, a 'perfect own-goal'.

How is it inappropriate? This protest is calling for a ceasefire. The marches have been going on for weeks. It's not the protesters that chose the timing of Israel's bombing campaign.

 

[Buster15]

That is correct and it should have been obvious that holding a protest meeting this weekend would have this effect.

The right to protest is to be valued, no 'protest' meeting should be banned, yes of course 'a protest' of any kind it will upset people of a different view, but it should not be banned.
Choosing to hold any 'protest meeting' this particular weekend however, is a poor decision from the organisers, and has to be seen as an attempt to get people like Braverman to bite, and now she has, the focus has shifted on to her agenda and given her the 'oxygen' she needs, for whatever reason(s) she has to oppose.... in another parlance, a 'perfect own-goal'.

Has there not been a march/protest/meeting almost each weekend since the war in Gaza.
Yes of course this Saturday 11/11 is Armistice Day.
And essentially, Armistice Day was about celebrating what was termed The End Of The War To End Wars.

Ok. I can see both sides.
You and I are plenty old enough and have both marched through the streets of London during the 1970s as part of the wide ranging Trades Unions strikes and protests. And these were chosen to have the maximum impact in order to create the maximum headlines.
Same through the main streets of Bristol city centre.
And no one was going to tell us when we could and could not march.

From what I have been told and heard, the march will not be close to the Cenotaph.

Yes in some respects, it might have been deemed best by some not to have done it tomorrow.
But from my perspective, there is a synergy between Armistice Day and protesting against what some are unhappy about the war in Gaza.

 

[SalfordRed18]

On one hand it's embarrassing Sunak claiming he still has confidence in Suella. On the other, I'm here for him not giving her what she wants and taking her down with him.

 

[Fergies Gum]

Are we allowed to talk about how much influence Braverman's Jewish husband has played in her abhorrent tone on this matter. Years ago she boasted about her husband being a "proud Zionist".

 

[Shez]

Are we allowed to talk about how much influence Braverman's Jewish husband has played in her abhorrent tone on this matter. Years ago she boasted about her husband being a "proud Zionist".

shes also gone on record in an interview saying she has close family in the IDF. That has to influence your politics

 

[Abraxas]

What 'truth' regarding the police is she exactly bestowing upon us? And is it appropriate for the home secretary to question the neutrality and competency of the police force? Put aside the whole culture war spiel and consider that for a moment.

And I don't understand this desperate conflation of the ceasefire protest with that of a riot. It feels as though people like Braverman and her ilk are absolutely desperate for there to be some sort of trouble to kick off, praying that some fringe idiots attack the cenotaph (despite the timings of the protest and the remembrance event not aligning, and deliberately so) just to dignify her hateful rhetoric. Her irresponsible sentiments have also no doubt galvanised some EDL types who'll now be yearning for a brawl tomorrow under disingenuous patriotic pretences.

Now you might find some parity with her views and your own and I do find that unfortunate, but nevertheless its entirely inappropriate for someone who heads the home office to offer nothing but divisive soundbites straight out of a fascist handbook. She's not some 'tell it how I see' show woman on GB news, she's supposed to be the feckin home secretary. The fact she's willing to stir the pot so provocatively during armistice day of all days in the hope of furthering her own career agenda (at the expense of the PM no less) just tells you all you need to know about her character.

The truth is that they do favour some groups over others when it comes to protesting. Is it right to question the neutrality and competency of the police force? Yes, she's an important minister, that's exactly the type of thing she should be doing if she legitimately holds the view that they are incompetent or biased around a certain issue. I would expect our countries leaders to do that, yes. Should she wait until they've already policed the matter wrongly in her view? Maybe she felt publicising it was her only recourse, I'm not sure why she went down that route but there's nothing outrageous about the view presented.

Whether she's the best placed minister to be doing it I don't know, maybe others should be but I at least admire the fact she has the backbone to say some things that to me seem patently true but not many in government would admit. One of the reasons it won't matter what government we have, Labour or Tory is they're all spineless.

What fascist handbook? I wouldn't say there's a handbook, there's a playbook - throwing around words like "fascist" to shut down counter viewpoints. That's all she has presented while in office.

 

[Maticmaker]

Has there not been a march/protest/meeting almost each weekend since the war in Gaza.
Yes of course this Saturday 11/11 is Armistice Day.
And essentially, Armistice Day was about celebrating what was termed The End Of The War To End Wars.

Ok. I can see both sides.
You and I are plenty old enough and have both marched through the streets of London during the 1970s as part of the wide ranging Trades Unions strikes and protests. And these were chosen to have the maximum impact in order to create the maximum headlines.
Same through the main streets of Bristol city centre.
And no one was going to tell us when we could and could not march.

From what I have been told and heard, the march will not be close to the Cenotaph.

Yes in some respects, it might have been deemed best by some not to have done it tomorrow.
But from my perspective, there is a synergy between Armistice Day and protesting against what some are unhappy about the war in Gaza.

I'm not making any suggestions about the right to protest, as you have pointed out we have both taken part in marches/protests before, and its something in the UK which is a valid freedom and long may it last.
I happen to think those planning this protest got it wrong, I suspect with a large percentage of the British public, who until now have not really bothered about what is happening in the middle east, would have responded better (i.e. took notice of what is happening) if the protest leaders had said we will suspend the protest for this weekend, then continue thereafter. The publicity for the protesters cause would have been enhanced , because of the decision and thereby would have shot Braverman's fox.

The majority of the press/news vendors will ensure the public are tuning in for the wrong reasons tomorrow and God forbid if anything kicks off, then the next protest will become the 'replay' and the protesters will effectively find themselves protesting in an 'echo chamber'.

I sorry, but I don't agree that there is a relationship/synergy between a 'protest' and a 'remembrance' activity.

 

[Kaos]

The truth is that they do favour some groups over others when it comes to protesting. Is it right to question the neutrality and competency of the police force? Yes, she's an important minister, that's exactly the type of thing she should be doing if she legitimately holds the view that they are incompetent or biased around a certain issue. I would expect our countries leaders to do that, yes. Should she wait until they've already policed the matter wrongly in her view? Maybe she felt publicising it was her only recourse, I'm not sure why she went down that route but there's nothing outrageous about the view presented.

Whether she's the best placed minister to be doing it I don't know, maybe others should be but I at least admire the fact she has the backbone to say some things that to me seem patently true but not many in government would admit. One of the reasons it won't matter what government we have, Labour or Tory is they're all spineless.

What fascist handbook? I wouldn't say there's a handbook, there's a playbook - throwing around words like "fascist" to shut down counter viewpoints. That's all she has presented while in office.

Do you have any evidence to backup this alleged 'truth'? And while you're at it, what are some of the things she's said you consider to be 'patently true'?

 

[Buster15]

I'm not making any suggestions about the right to protest, as you have pointed out we have both taken part in marches/protests before, and its something in the UK which is a valid freedom and long may it last.
I happen to think those planning this protest got it wrong, I suspect with a large percentage of the British public, who until now have not really bothered about what is happening in the middle east, would have responded better (i.e. took notice of what is happening) if the protest leaders had said we will suspend the protest for this weekend, then continue thereafter. The publicity for the protesters cause would have been enhanced , because of the decision and thereby would have shot Braverman's fox.

The majority of the press/news vendors will ensure the public are tuning in for the wrong reasons tomorrow and God forbid if anything kicks off, then the next protest will become the 'replay' and the protesters will effectively find themselves protesting in an 'echo chamber'.

I sorry, but I don't agree that there is a relationship/synergy between a 'protest' and a 'remembrance' activity.

And I respect you enough mate to accept your disagreement and won't try to desuade you otherwise.

I too hope that things won't kick off, even though Braverman will be wanting it to.

 

[The Corinthian]

I'm not making any suggestions about the right to protest, as you have pointed out we have both taken part in marches/protests before, and its something in the UK which is a valid freedom and long may it last.
I happen to think those planning this protest got it wrong, I suspect with a large percentage of the British public, who until now have not really bothered about what is happening in the middle east, would have responded better (i.e. took notice of what is happening) if the protest leaders had said we will suspend the protest for this weekend, then continue thereafter. The publicity for the protesters cause would have been enhanced , because of the decision and thereby would have shot Braverman's fox.

The majority of the press/news vendors will ensure the public are tuning in for the wrong reasons tomorrow and God forbid if anything kicks off, then the next protest will become the 'replay' and the protesters will effectively find themselves protesting in an 'echo chamber'.

I sorry, but I don't agree that there is a relationship/synergy between a 'protest' and a 'remembrance' activity.

The remembrance activity and associated traditions is on Remembrance Sunday...a whole day after the march.

The march on Saturday is timed to start at least an hour after the two minute silence, but more likely hours depending on where you are.

The march itself isn't even going past the cenotaph, so this idea that it needs to be defended is wide of the mark, and also the last few marches have gone past the cenotaph, and lo and behold, nothing has happened to it.

Lastly, the marches are happening every Saturday until there is a ceasefire in Gaza, this will be the 5th one consecutively - that's been the point behind them. The fact that tomorrow's is falling on 11/11 is purely coincidental.

 

[Maticmaker]

And I respect you enough mate to accept your disagreement and won't try to desuade you otherwise.

I too hope that things won't kick off, even though Braverman will be wanting it to.

Thanks, same here.

I hope so too, the Police will have to cope, and be seen to cope effectively, primarily to have their wits about them, because almost certain some 'extremists' either for or against the march will try to infiltrate.

(* in my days of protesting if anybody tried to muscle in with 'other' protests and/or ride on our backs we had a system for sorting... say no more!!)

 

[Maticmaker]

The remembrance activity and associated traditions is on Remembrance Sunday...a whole day after the march.

In this country for many people Armistice day and Remembrance Sunday are all part of the same thing, at least for a majority of those who still acknowledge such events. In either case, for a great many people it's not a event/place for 'protest'.

 

[The Corinthian]

In this country for many people Armistice day and Remembrance Sunday are all part of the same thing, at least for a majority of those who still acknowledge such events. In either case, for a great many people it's not a event/place for 'protest'.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but -

Remembrance Sunday is the Sunday where we see various traditions carried out by the King and royal family and dignitaries i.e. laying of the wreath and march past the Cenotaph.
11/11 is a day where we hold a two minute silence.

Ideally 11/11 and Remembrance Sunday are one on the same, but that isn't always the case.

If the above is correct then there isn't anything happening on the 11th other than a 2 min silence at 11.11am? Or am I mistaken?

Edit: also you must see the irony in you asking for a protest calling for a ceasefire to be cancelled because it's taking place on armistice day...

 

[Maticmaker]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but -

Remembrance Sunday is the Sunday where we see various traditions carried out by the King and royal family and dignitaries i.e. laying of the wreath and march past the Cenotaph.
11/11 is a day where we hold a two minute silence.

Ideally 11/11 and Remembrance Sunday are one on the same, but that isn't always the case.

If the above is correct then there isn't anything happening on the 11th other than a 2 min silence at 11.11am? Or am I mistaken?

Edit: also you must see the irony in you asking for a protest calling for a ceasefire to be cancelled because it's taking place on armistice day...

The whole thing is a remembrance event, as you say depending on when the dates coincide, will determine, the march past and silences.

The point I am making is this is an event about remembrance and is not and never has been a protest event, about what is happening now.

I repeat what I said earlier, IMO this was a poor decision by the organisers' they would have been better to respect the remembrance views/ethos (which I would say is the majority in this country) and deferred their legitimate protest for this one weekend. I am assuming the intention of these protest marches are to win 'hearts and minds' and so build up pressure on the UK government to try to persuade Israel to seek a ceasefire I suspect this error in judgement of the organisers will 'take the wind out of the sails' of any build up in ongoing protest effect.

 

[Red in STL]

In this country for many people Armistice day and Remembrance Sunday are all part of the same thing, at least for a majority of those who still acknowledge such events. In either case, for a great many people it's not a event/place for 'protest'.

When I was younger it was Remembrance Sunday, I don't recall a widespread 2 min silence on the specific date until fairly recently

 

[Badunk]

The whole thing is a remembrance event, as you say depending on when the dates coincide, will determine, the march past and silences.

The point I am making is this is an event about remembrance and is not and never has been a protest event, about what is happening now.

I repeat what I said earlier, IMO this was a poor decision by the organisers' they would have been better to respect the remembrance views/ethos (which I would say is the majority in this country) and deferred their legitimate protest for this one weekend. I am assuming the intention of these protest marches are to win 'hearts and minds' and so build up pressure on the UK government to try to persuade Israel to seek a ceasefire I suspect this error in judgement of the organisers will 'take the wind out of the sails' of any build up in ongoing protest effect.

But you said yourself in an earlier post: "I happen to think those planning this protest got it wrong, I suspect with a large percentage of the British public, who until now have not really bothered about what is happening in the middle east, would have responded better (i.e. took notice of what is happening) if the protest leaders had said we will suspend the protest for this weekend"

The public are both "not bothered" about what's happening in Gaza, despite the daily reports on the news and social media, but are also, miraculously, going to look upon it more favourably if this march doesn't take place. Which is it? How are they going to take more notice of what's happening if this march doesn't go ahead, when they apparently having given a flying feck despite it being all over the evening news for over a month?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

When I was younger it was Remembrance Sunday, I don't recall a widespread 2 min silence on the specific date until fairly recently

There was a minute's silence at every football match last weekend as well.

 

[Badunk]

There was a minute's silence at every football match last weekend as well.

It's all become very mawkish. I was in Tesco a few years ago and everything stopped for two minutes. I'm all for reminding people of the horrors of war, but if you're in Tesco at around 11am on Remembrance Sunday, it's probably because you're not particularly arsed about it in the first place.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

It's all become very mawkish. I was in Tesco a few years ago and everything stopped for two minutes. I'm all for reminding people of the horrors of war, but if you're in Tesco at around 11am on Remembrance Sunday, it's probably because you're not particularly arsed about it in the first place.

11th November is always a public holiday in France and people will pay their respects at the local cenotaph or memorial if they so wish.
When I lived in the UK it was much less of a circus and people bought poppies to aid the veterans of the two WWs and the British Legion.

Anyone in favour of wars is sick.

 

[Sweet Square]

If the yearly poppy thread has taught me anything it’s that the British public respect with dignity the fallen of war.

Remembrance Sunday is the perfect holiday for Western Europe as it allows everyone to both be very smug and somber without learning anything.

 

[Maticmaker]

When I was younger it was Remembrance Sunday, I don't recall a widespread 2 min silence on the specific date until fairly recently

That's true to some extent.
I can recall for many years past and still today on Remembrance Sunday, the local Boys Brigade, Scouts, Girl Guides, Sea Cadets, Air Cadets and so on and probably a brass band, will together with local dignitaries, local MP, Mayor, Councillors etc. Also some ex- service men and women, representing, or from the British Legion would carry wreaths and flags and all would march from the town square to the local War Memorial. A short service would be conducted by local clergymen/priests etc. some members of the public, (depending on the weather) with connections with those who had lost their lives in both WW's and other things our government got involved with thereafter, would also attend (I remember once or twice wearing my Granddads medals from WW1). After the laying of the wreaths the 2 minutes silence would be held and the last post played by a trumpeter.

In the immediate area the 2 min silence was observed, but if you were say more than quarter of a mile away, you could tell it was not universally being observed. In some working men's clubs the silence was observed at a different time and it had been known for vehicles passing the war memorial at the appointed time to pull over at 11.00 am.

As far as I am aware this sort of remembrance still takes place in numerous cities, towns and villages all over the UK every Remembrance weekend. There are of course few if any from WW survivors, but their places are now taken by veterans from Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. As well as a ongoing tribute to those who gave their lives in the service of their country, it is in the spirit of remembrance, not of protest.

 

[Red in STL]

There was a minute's silence at every football match last weekend as well.

Football and sport in general have always done this, but factories, offices, shops and even in the street is not something I recall, I'm sure it happened in some places but not like today, it's a good thing but I just don't remember it like that years ago

 

[MoskvaRed]

It's not "inciting a riot" to speak the truth. If she is telling the truth on the police, it is dutiful to say it regardless of how it is received.

Anyone that riots has personal responsibility. In fact, rioting is underreported as a whole within the mainstream media - it happens on a smaller scale regularly in Britain and that's nothing to do with Braverman. There are plenty of people ready to do it, whether it's rioting or looting or whatever nefarious deeds they can get away with. Plenty of stores have a major issue with this in certain areas...and I won't go further than that on this issue because I have a feeling the truth won't be well received but look it up for yourself.

So I wouldn't be ready to blame Braverman for the potential for that.

Well thanks to Braverman and her insinuations that marchers might deface the cenotaph (even though they are not marching down Whitehall and are in any case marching the day before Remembrance Sunday), there’s a good chance Tommy Robinson and his ilk might start some violence this weekend. And Braverman and the truth are two mutually exclusive concepts. Still, keep fighting the bad fight for this vile woman.

 

[Red in STL]

That's true to some extent.
I can recall for many years past and still today on Remembrance Sunday, the local Boys Brigade, Scouts, Girl Guides, Sea Cadets, Air Cadets and so on and probably a brass band, will together with local dignitaries, local MP, Mayor, Councillors etc. Also some ex- service men and women, representing, or from the British Legion would carry wreaths and flags and all would march from the town square to the local War Memorial. A short service would be conducted by local clergymen/priests etc. some members of the public, (depending on the weather) with connections with those who had lost their lives in both WW's and other things our government got involved with thereafter, would also attend (I remember once or twice wearing my Granddads medals from WW1). After the laying of the wreaths the 2 minutes silence would be held and the last post played by a trumpeter.

In the immediate area the 2 min silence was observed, but if you were say more than quarter of a mile away, you could tell it was not universally being observed. In some working men's clubs the silence was observed at a different time and it had been known for vehicles passing the war memorial at the appointed time to pull over at 11.00 am.

As far as I am aware this sort of remembrance still takes place in numerous cities, towns and villages all over the UK every Remembrance weekend. There are of course few if any from WW survivors, but their places are now taken by veterans from Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. As well as a ongoing tribute to those who gave their lives in the service of their country, it is in the spirit of remembrance, not of protest.

I took part in more than a few as a scout and later as an Air Cadet on Remembrance Sunday, also "sold" poppies in the weeks leading up to it, and as you say it was generally like that.

But if November 11 was, say a Wednesday, none of that really happened, there was no widespread silence at 11am