Westminster Politics

Adisa said:
Conversatism is fundamentally evil.
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He says people should look around because he doesn't see any poverty in this country. If we were to live in the same Westminster bubble as him then we wouldn't know it exists either. This is the fundamental problem with the elite making all of the decisions.
 
Adisa said:
Conversatism is fundamentally evil.
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Millions... As in at least 2 million people... From a population of around 65 million

That's 3% of people

And dire poverty... That for sure sounds like an absolute rather than a relative term to me and would relate to extreme poverty... No roof no food no income etc

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/dire

Certainly it is true that substantially under 3% of UK population could be classified in this way

Even when looking at purchasing power parity it's far under that

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_percentage_of_population_living_in_poverty

In essence he is technically correct in his statement but it's a fecking awful soundbite and rank amature to say something like that as it is incredibly dismissive of the poverty that does exist

Meh he's gone anyway as soon as there is a new pm
 
sun_tzu said:
Millions... As in at least 2 million people... From a population of around 65 million

That's 3% of people

And dire poverty... That for sure sounds like an absolute rather than a relative term to me and would relate to extreme poverty... No roof no food no income etc

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/dire

Certainly it is true that substantially under 3% of UK population could be classified in this way

Even when looking at purchasing power parity it's far under that

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_percentage_of_population_living_in_poverty

In essence he is technically correct in his statement but it's a fecking awful soundbite and rank amature to say something like that as it is incredibly dismissive of the poverty that does exist

Meh he's gone anyway as soon as there is a new pm
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You're an absolute joke :lol:

This coming from the poster who criticises Corbyn if he breathes wrong.
 
sun_tzu said:
Millions... As in at least 2 million people... From a population of around 65 million

That's 3% of people

And dire poverty... That for sure sounds like an absolute rather than a relative term to me and would relate to extreme poverty... No roof no food no income etc

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/dire

Certainly it is true that substantially under 3% of UK population could be classified in this way

Even when looking at purchasing power parity it's far under that

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_percentage_of_population_living_in_poverty

In essence he is technically correct in his statement but it's a fecking awful soundbite and rank amature to say something like that as it is incredibly dismissive of the poverty that does exist

Meh he's gone anyway as soon as there is a new pm
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He's correct in his statement because you did a google search on the word dire? :wenger:

The report that he's being questioned on doesn't use that term and neither is it an official term used by our government or the UN.

He was asked about poverty and then decided to escalate it to disprove it because he couldn't answer the original question.

It's like answering that we're not all underwater when asked about climate change measures.
 
Smores said:
He was asked about poverty and then decided to escalate it to disprove it because he couldn't answer the original question.
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Woah.... back up there.... like your telling me a politician didn't answer a question directly and actually spun an answer that chimed better with their own agenda.... like for realz... omg... mind blown

This could be a dangerous trend.... where could it end... lies painted on the sides of busses...

He (badly) span an answer.... the answer he gave was truthful in that reference frame... basically he did his job (not very well mind) but who cares as he's gone in a few weeks anyway
 
Close result apparently, (at least according to the party bods who are also engaging in massive expectations management) if it's a recount probably won't find out tonight.
 
What a coward Farage is. He has sneaked into the building via the back door and is refusing to come out to speak to the media.
 
Rumours now circulating that Labour have won but that the Brexit Party are requesting a recount.

Edit:
 
Labour wins the Peterborough byelection by 683 votes
Labour wins by 683 votes.

Peterborough result:
LAB: 30.9% (-17.2)
BREX: 28.9% (+28.9)
CON: 21.4% (-25.5)
LDEM: 12.3% (+8.9)
GRN: 3.1% (+1.3)
UKIP: 1.2% (+1.2)
 
berbatrick said:
Thanks.

Kindof relevant, I just checked and turnout was ~33k, compared to ~48k in 2017.
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By-elections always have lower turnout than a general election though, apparently the total voting actually wasn't too bad. Quite disappointing for the Brexit mob, really the sort of seat they should've been taking if they hope to capitalise on their recent boost. But then only in that position due to the failings of the big two.
 
Cheesy said:
By-elections always have lower turnout than a general election though, apparently the total voting actually wasn't too bad. Quite disappointing for the Brexit mob, really the sort of seat they should've been taking if they hope to capitalise on their recent boost. But then only in that position due to the failings of the big two.
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I think every bit that turnout is higher, it harms the Brexit party (which seems to have a mostly older and so more likely to turn out base)
 
sun_tzu said:
Woah.... back up there.... like your telling me a politician didn't answer a question directly and actually spun an answer that chimed better with their own agenda.... like for realz... omg... mind blown

This could be a dangerous trend.... where could it end... lies painted on the sides of busses...

He (badly) span an answer.... the answer he gave was truthful in that reference frame... basically he did his job (not very well mind) but who cares as he's gone in a few weeks anyway
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He didn't spin the answer and put it in his own frame. He explicitly said he rejects the report, which states that 14m live in poverty and provides a definition of that.
 
berbatrick said:
I think every bit that turnout is higher, it harms the Brexit party (which seems to have a mostly older and so more likely to turn out base)
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That is the common assumption but I'm growing weary of it. The people who vote Brexit/Extremists usually feel disenchanted and unrepresented. A lot of them say they haven't voted in a long time (anecdotal, yes, but i've heard it so often now). They'll increase the turnout.


It's one of the reasons I've begun to hate voting campaigners. You know, the type that tells you voting is the most important thing, no matter who you vote for, and that high turnout is a good thing in itself. It's not. Most people have no clue and no interest. It's good when they don't vote. When they do vote they base their votes on slogans on busses anyway.
 
Tory tribalism surprisingly strong there, thought they'd be in the low teens.
 
In true Brexit Party style, they're blaming Pakistani people for Labour's win.
 
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i can only see the Conservatives having to push the hard bexit (or managed no deal or a WTO deal - however they phrase it) to try and win back Brexit voters - equally labour probably having to become much more vocal about a 2nd referendum

Suspect there will be reluctance from the next conservative leader to go for a GE unless they have a massive bounce in the polls as it looks very hard to see a clear outcome

Perhaps a "no deal" vs remain confirmatiory referendum with a free vote for MP's is the most logical option - though I suspect in the scramble to be PM we might see most potential leaders explicitly rule this out...

it really is a big mess isnt it - can see the government collapsing and farrage winning power at this rate
 
Conservative leadership election

Very useful info here from Guido (order-order.com)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet..._n1B51s5M/htmlview?ts=5ce7aed7&sle=true#gid=0
in summary 57% of conservative MP's have publicly declared who they will back
I think its reasonable a to assume after the PM has gone today there will be a few more come out but so far we have

person Backers Leave / Remain Split
Johnson 44 (28 leave & 16 remain MPS)
Gove 30 (9 leave & 21 remain MPS)
Hunt 26 (3 leave & 23 remain MPS)
Raab 22 (18 leave & 4 remain MPS)
Javid 16 (4 leave & 12 remain MPS)
Hancock 12 (0 leave & 12 remain MPS)
Harper 6 (3 leave & 3 remain MPS)
Mcvey 5 (3 leave & 2 remain MPS)
Stewart 5 (0 leave & 5 remain MPS)
Gymah 3 (0 leave & 3 remain MPS)
Leadsom 2 (2 leave & 0 remain MPS)

Assuming they can all find sufficient people to back them and they dont withdraw before the first vote then the bottom placed person and anybody else with less than 16 votes will be eliminated... i would expect at this point we could see Harper, Mcvey, Stewart, Gymah and Ledsom all leave the process (though I suspect Mcvey and stewart are really hoping to get to the first TV debate but Im not sure its going to happen for them)

i would assume that Hancock and Javid will be out of the process by the second round at which point leave will coelesse around either Johnson or Raab (and probably boris unless Johnson drops an almighty clanger in the TV debates which I dont rule out)

There is probably then a clamour amongst the anybody but Boris bridgade of MP's that will weigh up Gove vs Hunt and they must realize Hunt has very little chance in a vote of the membership.

So most probably we have 2 white 50 something year old etonians battling for the hearts and minds... well votes of the membership - and its hard not to see Boris bumbling his way into the job

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I cant believe I am genuinely thinking Pob might be our best hope... what a mess... meh I blame corbyn
 
berbatrick said:
I think every bit that turnout is higher, it harms the Brexit party (which seems to have a mostly older and so more likely to turn out base)
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Abizzz said:
That is the common assumption but I'm growing weary of it. The people who vote Brexit/Extremists usually feel disenchanted and unrepresented. A lot of them say they haven't voted in a long time (anecdotal, yes, but i've heard it so often now). They'll increase the turnout..
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Interesting tweet(Also stats for lefties is great account.)

 
Fully Fledged said:
Or that people like me voted Lib Dem in the Euro election but would vote labour in a by-election.
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The stats there though don't necessarily indicate the Lib Dems struggling though - by all accounts they've still made some decent improvements in a seat that was absolutely dead in the water for them. What it does indicate though is that while the Brexit Party will obviously be a big threat in a GE, they won't sweep them like they did the Euros because more Labour/Tory voters will turn out.
 
Conservative Party Leadership candidate Michael Gove admits to have taken drugs on several social occasions


The British Cocaine Mitch
 
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