Westminster Politics

B20 said:
Boris getting sued for intentionally lying about numbers as a civil servant during the EU election.

Hopefully this one has legs. Could be a positive change for politics.

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I hope it goes through and he's found guilty. Nothing against him personally, but there has got to be some kind of punishment brought in for politicians outright lying to the public the way they did with that 350m claim.
 
Sigma said:
The only one I would vote for if I was a Conservative party member.
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I don’t think he belongs in today’s politics really. He’s a throwback to another era, ironically the era that’s producing much of the imperial nostalgia which has helped fueled Brexit. Hard not to like the guy:

 
2cents said:
I don’t think he belongs in today’s politics really. He’s a throwback to another era, ironically the era that’s producing much of the imperial nostalgia which has helped fueled Brexit. Hard not to like the guy:

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He's the sort of person people who are into politics quite like, with those same people then being baffled when it turns out no one else particularly likes him or think he's astonishingly weird. Almost like a Tory equivalent to Miliband, only with the caveat of being a Tory which pretty much automatically takes away any cuddliness he might have been able to project himself as having.

He's also completely out of place within his own party, and in that regard the people who like him stand out as being entirely oblivious to a lot of the problems we're facing at the moment.
 
The only Tory I have any sympathy for is Peter Mannion, and even then it is implied that his policy directly led to someone's suicide.
 
hobbers said:
Raab just giving some obvious common sense answers there or am I missing something?
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He's playing into standard transphobic talking points.

Making it easier for someone to change their gender might not have anything to do with surgery but more to do changing any legal forms or NHS funding. Yet Raab jumps straight into the child given gender reassignment after tell teacher he liked pink shoes shtick and trans people being a danger to women prisons which isn't true.
 
:lol::lol::lol::lol:



Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government.
 
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They're both dangerously clueless on virtually every aspect of Brexit and international trade, but she defo has a vindictive streak compared to his Tim nice but dim.
 
Cheesy said:
He's the sort of person people who are into politics quite like, with those same people then being baffled when it turns out no one else particularly likes him or think he's astonishingly weird. Almost like a Tory equivalent to Miliband, only with the caveat of being a Tory which pretty much automatically takes away any cuddliness he might have been able to project himself as having.

He's also completely out of place within his own party, and in that regard the people who like him stand out as being entirely oblivious to a lot of the problems we're facing at the moment.
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It does feel like he has good motives and wants to be a force for good, but yeah, there is something about him that is really weird and not just his manner too.
Can't decide if he's a master of self-publicity or journos just love him as he is a la mode, was a minor ex-minister who is straight-talking and will give a decent counterpoint quote to the hard Brexiters upon request.
 
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Not sure how it would translate into seats and I suspect a small bump for the conservatives when they finally get a new leader

But based in this I'm not sure either labour or conservatives would want a ge right now

And for sure a coalition looks inevitable
Brexit conservatives
Conservative libs
Libs labour (possibly SNP if they get indy ref2 as part of the deal)
 
Are they just announcing to make this leadership contest last longer? Getting ridiculous now.
 
Ubik said:
:lol::lol::lol::lol:



Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government.
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Crikey. Wonder how long its been since an opinion poll had neither Labour nor the Tories in the top 2? Not in my lifetime certainly.
 
Worth adding that the vote for both Libs and Brexit Party will be very soft. Expect both of them to lose votes back to Labour and the Tories very easily if those parties do the right thing. Question is, will they start doing the right thing or stumble on?
 
Drifter said:
Farage as gone on record for privatising healthcare.
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I did see a video of him bleating about it, would you go so far to call it a policy? Labour, Tories et al have at least been in the game long enough to have policies on pretty much everything. I just don't see how a 6 week old party could possibly be considered for election.
 
EwanI Ted said:
Crikey. Wonder how long its been since an opinion poll had neither Labour nor the Tories in the top 2? Not in my lifetime certainly.
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Never since the start of polling in the 40s, apparently.

But yeah, wouldn't expect it to be replicated, just a case of many people being in a mood to protest vote at the moment mixed with YouGov being ultra sensitive to it.
 
Similar trend to the YouGov one

 
IndyRef 2 is an interesting one. One the one hand it is completely undeniable that Scotland voted overwhelmingly to Remain, and that remaining in the EU was one of the big driving factors for voting to stay in the UK the first time around.

On the other hand, it was always described as a "once in a generation vote" and not something to be revisited. And crucially, if the idea of a second referendum for the Scots was entertained, it sets a pretty major precedent and argument in favour of a second Brexit vote (which ironically might defeat the need for IndyRef 2 in the first place, if remain won).
 
Walrus said:
IndyRef 2 is an interesting one. One the one hand it is completely undeniable that Scotland voted overwhelmingly to Remain, and that remaining in the EU was one of the big driving factors for voting to stay in the UK the first time around.

On the other hand, it was always described as a "once in a generation vote" and not something to be revisited. And crucially, if the idea of a second referendum for the Scots was entertained, it sets a pretty major precedent and argument in favour of a second Brexit vote (which ironically might defeat the need for IndyRef 2 in the first place, if remain won).
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I suppose it's because the Scottish people were fed lie after lie. "We're all in this together", "you won't be forgotten" etc. Weeks after the referendum organisations such as the Beeb and then Westminster went back to treating Scotland like an annoying cousin and England decided to say "nah feck being in Europe, and all you cnuts are fecking off with us".

As far as I'm concerned the need for a new referendum right now can't be denied. This isn't five or ten years down the line, all of this chopping and changing has happened in about 24 months. If it makes other people in other parts of the UK stand up and demand answers from their elected officials then more power to them as well.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I suppose it's because the Scottish people were fed lie after lie. "We're all in this together", "you won't be forgotten" etc. Weeks after the referendum organisations such as the Beeb and then Westminster went back to treating Scotland like an annoying cousin and England decided to say "nah feck being in Europe, and all you cnuts are fecking off with us".

As far as I'm concerned the need for a new referendum right now can't be denied. This isn't five or ten years down the line, all of this chopping and changing has happened in about 24 months. If it makes other people in other parts of the UK stand up and demand answers from their elected officials then more power to them as well.
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The SNP want one by 2021 I think, so two years minimum by the looks of it. Of course if Scotland fecked off (I'm part Scots, I would) it might mathematically tip the balance to the rest of the UK definitely being Leave, but heh, be careful what you wish for and all that.
 
711 said:
The SNP want one by 2021 I think, so two years minimum by the looks of it. Of course if Scotland fecked off (I'm part Scots, I would) it might mathematically tip the balance to the rest of the UK definitely being Leave, but heh, be careful what you wish for and all that.
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I'm sure many of us can find some Scottish roots to get a passport if that happens. ;)
 
Kentonio said:
I'm sure many of us can find some Scottish roots to get a passport if that happens. ;)
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Yeah, I would. Interestingly though, in their independence referendum they allowed all residents of Scotland to vote, but not Scots living elsewhere, which makes me think that although they welcome immigrants they might not give passports to anyone not actually resident. Wouldn't blame them if so.
 
Walrus said:
IndyRef 2 is an interesting one. One the one hand it is completely undeniable that Scotland voted overwhelmingly to Remain, and that remaining in the EU was one of the big driving factors for voting to stay in the UK the first time around.

On the other hand, it was always described as a "once in a generation vote" and not something to be revisited. And crucially, if the idea of a second referendum for the Scots was entertained, it sets a pretty major precedent and argument in favour of a second Brexit vote (which ironically might defeat the need for IndyRef 2 in the first place, if remain won).
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This is something that gets referenced a lot but it's not something that was ever really set down officially or anything - it was mostly said casually as a way to impart the importance of the referendum on people. Even if that's dishonest, doing a u-turn on that and wanting a second referendum isn't really all that more deceiving than a ton of other policies or ideals the big two parties have backed/not backed and then changed your mind on. And that's before you even consider the implications of Brexit. It's not just that we voted Remain - it's the fact that in 2014 one of the most significant pulls of a No vote - in the eyes of the campaign itself - was that voting against independence would secure EU membership.

Now you have Lib Dems up here like Swinson simultaneously advocating a second Brexit referendum while simultaneously sneering at the idea of another independence vote.
 
711 said:
Yeah, I would. Interestingly though, in their independence referendum they allowed all residents of Scotland to vote, but not Scots living elsewhere, which makes me think that although they welcome immigrants they might not give passports to anyone not actually resident. Wouldn't blame them if so.
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Can’t see that happening for a second. No chance they’d tell people who had been Scottish for generations that they couldn’t have a passport because they’d moved to London or whatever. Much more likely they’d deal with it like the Irish did.
 
Cheesy said:
This is something that gets referenced a lot but it's not something that was ever really set down officially or anything - it was mostly said casually as a way to impart the importance of the referendum on people. Even if that's dishonest, doing a u-turn on that and wanting a second referendum isn't really all that more deceiving than a ton of other policies or ideals the big two parties have backed/not backed and then changed your mind on. And that's before you even consider the implications of Brexit. It's not just that we voted Remain - it's the fact that in 2014 one of the most significant pulls of a No vote - in the eyes of the campaign itself - was that voting against independence would secure EU membership.

Now you have Lib Dems up here like Swinson simultaneously advocating a second Brexit referendum while simultaneously sneering at the idea of another independence vote.
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Unless you go on TV as first minister and repeat it over and over as the official position of the majority party at which point its going to be seen as you know official.

No it wasn't said casually either, it was the stock answer to the question will you ever stop asking for a referendum. IE if you lose are just going to come back and keep asking until you get the answer you want. And here we are again.

It is not as dishonest as the independence budget the SNP put forward or the expectation of significant concessions from the UK after a leave vote and we know a little more about how that goes now. Nor was it as big a lie as the one on currency. Yet is was a blatant lie and one you are excusing because they all do it?

Brexit, Peoples vote, Indyref and Indyref 2, its making hypocrites of us all.
 
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