Westminster Politics

Getting caught being the operative word. The consequences for being caught are the same, the only difference is that one group is perhaps better at not getting caught.

Plenty of working class people who will have worked their way up the ladder to prominent positions will have histories of recreational drug use that they can now laugh about.

If Gove had been caught he'd have had all sorts of connections to get him off with a lesser sentence and would've had access to far better legal recourse than those below him. That's the case for all crimes, of course - the difference here is that occasional drug usage really isn't all that dangerous at all and so it's a farce that anyone is being punished for it at all. The problem is that people are only actually punished in the first place because of the politicians who make the laws, and the current government is clearly filled with a lot of people who've actively taken those drugs in the past and still see fit to punish others for doing so.

This has often been the case - weed was used as a convenient way to demonise poor black people for years but became cool when middle-class college kids started taking it. And I'd say a similar attitude probably prevails now: police officers are probably a lot more likely to reprimand people from certain backgrounds for drug use than others.
 
I have been trying to work out why Gove would have admitted such a thing.
There's a Gove biography coming out soon & the drug-use is detailed within it. Possibly an offshoot of this kind of tactic by his main rival:
The Times said:
I’m told his (Boris Johnson's) people are already playing dirty, using private information to frighten colleagues into declaring themselves early for Johnson.
 
Getting caught being the operative word. The consequences for being caught are the same, the only difference is that one group is perhaps better at not getting caught.

Plenty of working class people who will have worked their way up the ladder to prominent positions will have histories of recreational drug use that they can now laugh about.
Definitely not. I knew personally a nurse and a doctor that were prosecuted for cannabis possession at the same time, the nurse was sacked as a result and blacklisted, the doctor was interviewed but no further action taken.
 
Getting caught being the operative word. The consequences for being caught are the same, the only difference is that one group is perhaps better at not getting caught.

Plenty of working class people who will have worked their way up the ladder to prominent positions will have histories of recreational drug use that they can now laugh about.
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Gove literally made the consequences harder for people who did the same offence as himself but are less wealthy.
 
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Gove and Boris are cnuts. Tories are thundercunts. It's despicable that these pricks use their discretions as a way to attract sympathy votes. Theresa May got panned for saying she used to run through a farmers wheat field ffs!

Just look at Gove, look at his interviews and look at the back catalogue of clips taken of him and you will see the man has been coked off his nut for years. The man single handedly dismantled the education system and set it back years yet now he's PM material? Fml!
 
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at least legalizing (and taxing) drugs should be on the agenda now... afterall there will be lots of money sloshing round for coke parties if Boris gets his proposed tax cut!
 
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Never thought I say this, but I was impressed with Ester McVeigh on Marr yesterday. Obviously not a front runner and that may have influenced what she said, but Marr couldn't rattle her even on the universal credit fiasco. McVeigh made all the right noises on what she would actually do, on a range of issues although it looks like she's washed her hands of the EU now, so its a 'rock hard' Brexit for Ester. It will be interesting to see, how she fares, as everyone else in the race tries to swing back (a bit) from the right, she's ploughing on with her meritocracy (as she says) approach. Also, she has no public school background or silver spoon advantage, very interesting.
 
Never thought I say this, but I was impressed with Ester McVeigh on Marr yesterday. Obviously not a front runner and that may have influenced what she said, but Marr couldn't rattle her even on the universal credit fiasco. McVeigh made all the right noises on what she would actually do, on a range of issues although it looks like she's washed her hands of the EU now, so its a 'rock hard' Brexit for Ester. It will be interesting to see, how she fares, as everyone else in the race tries to swing back (a bit) from the right, she's ploughing on with her meritocracy (as she says) approach. Also, she has no public school background or silver spoon advantage, very interesting.

I think she is hoping to get 16 votes and get to the TV debate becaluse given her media background she knows she will come over better than quite a few others - personally I dont think shes got the backing of enough MP's to get past the first round though

Also I didnt see her on Marr but did listen to her on Choppers Brexit podcast and yeah she went full on prorogue parliament and force brexit through - which for me is a total non starter

Also i think her fiance will be a hindrance not a help to her ambitions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Davies

Philip Andrew Davies (born 5 January 1972) is a British Conservative Party politician and Member of Parliament (MP) for Shipley in West Yorkshire.

First elected at the 2005 general election, he is the most rebellious serving Conservative MP, having voted against the Tory whip over 250 times in the course of his parliamentary career,[3] and he has been criticised for "talking out" Parliamentary Bills not supported by the government and so "kill off legislation he doesn't like".[4][5][6][7]

Davies is known for campaigns against political correctness and feminism and is a campaigner for the men's rights movement. He played a lead role in securing the first International Men's Day debate in Parliament in 2015; the debate has since taken place annually.[8][9]

Davies is on the governing council of The Freedom Association pressure group, and is an organiser for the TaxPayers' Alliance. Davies has regularly been criticised by other politicians and prominent public figures[10] for comments he has made on gender equality and women,[11] homosexuality,[12] ethnic minorities[13] and the disabled.[14] He has stated that the disabled should have the option of working for less than the minimum wage.[15][16]Davies has said that white, male ministers risk being "hoofed out" of the government to make way for women or minority ethnic MPs.[17]
 
Never thought I say this, but I was impressed with Ester McVeigh on Marr yesterday. Obviously not a front runner and that may have influenced what she said, but Marr couldn't rattle her even on the universal credit fiasco. McVeigh made all the right noises on what she would actually do, on a range of issues although it looks like she's washed her hands of the EU now, so its a 'rock hard' Brexit for Ester. It will be interesting to see, how she fares, as everyone else in the race tries to swing back (a bit) from the right, she's ploughing on with her meritocracy (as she says) approach. Also, she has no public school background or silver spoon advantage, very interesting.
I disagree with most of her views but I agree she made a strong showing on Marr. A bit Thatcheresque at times, alarmingly.
 
I find this whole debate bizarre. Everyone knows these circles at Oxford, Cambridge and St Andrews binge hardcore drugs every weekend so why is it even a story now?

You'd struggle to find many considered to be in the upper classes who haven't done it, bet ol lizzy and philip have. It's fine to do drugs if you're loaded as you can afford it tends to be the rule.
 
I was reading recently about Hunt being the biggest liar of the lot and how he'd spin the outcome of every meeting to be whatever he wanted.
His recent interviews especially today make me worry as he's not just making hypotheticals but I'd wager making up what the EU have told him.
 
Also his quote that he won't call a general election because the Tories would lose power is incredible. It's a blatant admission that they have no support or mandate but they'll cling on anyway.
 
Raise the tax threshold to 80k.

MP salary £79,468.

How does anyone support this shit.

650 of them will...he knows what he's doing this Boris, and so does everyone else, he has to ensure that he's one of the final two to go to the membership so go after the MP's first! What's more he's not hiding it is he??
 
I think she is hoping to get 16 votes and get to the TV debate becaluse given her media background she knows she will come over better than quite a few others - personally I dont think shes got the backing of enough MP's to get past the first round though

Also I didnt see her on Marr but did listen to her on Choppers Brexit podcast and yeah she went full on prorogue parliament and force brexit through - which for me is a total non starter

Also i think her fiance will be a hindrance not a help to her ambitions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Davies

Yes I think you are right, she becomes something of a stalking horse for other so called 'true Brexiteers'. Ester wont get through to the final round, but she may have a say in who does, keeping the alleged Brexiteers left in the fight with their feet to the grindstone. McVeigh's appearance on Marr's programme was a noteworthy performance and will rattle the cages of other contenders if she does get through to the TV debates.
 
Dear God it really is gonna be Hunt v Johnson.
 
Yes I think you are right, she becomes something of a stalking horse for other so called 'true Brexiteers'. Ester wont get through to the final round, but she may have a say in who does, keeping the alleged Brexiteers left in the fight with their feet to the grindstone. McVeigh's appearance on Marr's programme was a noteworthy performance and will rattle the cages of other contenders if she does get through to the TV debates.
Her intention will be to put her hat in the ring for the next time the leadership is vacant, and of course to help negotiate for a top 3/4 position in the new cabinet.
 
Sam Gyimah announces he is quitting Tory leadership race

Former Tory minister Sam Gyimah has announced he is pulling out of the Conservative leadership race. The Remain

supporter said there has ‘not been enough time to build sufficient support’. He said he had entered the contest to

‘broaden the debate’ and make sure that a wide variety of views on Brexit were represented. ‘It has been a

tremendous privilege to be able to make the case for a new referendum as a credible solution to break the Brexit

deadlock,’ he said. ‘I am hugely appreciative of the support I have received, both in public and in private. ‘But I have

reached the conclusion that, having entered the race at such a late state, there simply has not been enough time to

build sufficient support and I have decided to step back.’

It comes as the Conservative Party’s 1922 Committee announced ten candidates have been nominated for the official

leadership race. They will go through to the first round of voting,the joint acting chairman of the backbench committee Dame Cheryl Gillan announced this evening.
 
Sam Gyimah announces he is quitting Tory leadership race

He said he had entered the contest to ‘broaden the debate’ and make sure that a wide variety of views on Brexit were represented. ‘


He's no corbyn!
 
There Is going to have to be some slimey backstabbing and giving up any semblance of credibility just to secure votes... In short don't count gove out just yet
This is true.
 
Yes I think you are right, she becomes something of a stalking horse for other so called 'true Brexiteers'. Ester wont get through to the final round, but she may have a say in who does, keeping the alleged Brexiteers left in the fight with their feet to the grindstone. McVeigh's appearance on Marr's programme was a noteworthy performance and will rattle the cages of other contenders if she does get through to the TV debates.
:lol:Noteworthy for her inability to give a straight answer to a question.
 
Like Johnson, she'll say, promise, & do anything for advantage.
 
Sky's Lewis Goodall:
Yesterday I observed that there is a stark set of double standards operating about the cocaine use of Michael Gove vs Boris Johnsson in this leadership contest. Johnson has now denied he ever took the drug.
 
Like Johnson, she'll say, promise, & do anything for advantage.

While certainly not a Tory voter I have taken the time to listen to the campaign pledges of most of the candidates.
Apart from their promises on Brexit, the thing that I find most interesting is their promises on tax cuts.
These range from reducing VAT and replacing it with a purchase tax (same thing really) to massive reductions in both the standard band and higher band tax rates.
Now. Far from me to question the feasiblity of these wild promises but they all make rather vague references to exactly where this money is supposed to appear from.
I never believe a word that a politician says but the winner will be our next PM and as a result l have even less trust in them than I already have.
 
While certainly not a Tory voter I have taken the time to listen to the campaign pledges of most of the candidates.
Apart from their promises on Brexit, the thing that I find most interesting is their promises on tax cuts.
These range from reducing VAT and replacing it with a purchase tax (same thing really) to massive reductions in both the standard band and higher band tax rates.
Now. Far from me to question the feasiblity of these wild promises but they all make rather vague references to exactly where this money is supposed to appear from.
I never believe a word that a politician says but the winner will be our next PM and as a result l have even less trust in them than I already have.
The treasury reckons we're running at a surplus on current spending plans and the Tories just can't resist spending it. All the years of blaming Labour for not mending the roof while the sun shines, and the instant they have anything they're falling over each other to spunk it on their own tax cuts. Which considering the biggest problem of looming brexit will be a catastrophic drop in government revenue whilst businesses are desperate for support is deeply fecking stupid. I suspect Boris's proposed tax cut for the wealthy will prove to be a typical Boris cock-up when he eventually breaks cover to face questions from the press.
 
The treasury reckons we're running at a surplus on current spending plans and the Tories just can't resist spending it. All the years of blaming Labour for not mending the roof while the sun shines, and the instant they have anything they're falling over each other to spunk it on their own tax cuts. Which considering the biggest problem of looming brexit will be a catastrophic drop in government revenue whilst businesses are desperate for support is deeply fecking stupid. I suspect Boris's proposed tax cut for the wealthy will prove to be a typical Boris cock-up when he eventually breaks cover to face questions from the press.

Very well put and I could not agree more.
The biggest regret is the Labour party are not able to gain much traction because of the weaknesses of their leader.
What a crap situation.
 
Very well put and I could not agree more.
The biggest regret is the Labour party are not able to gain much traction because of the weaknesses of their leader.
What a crap situation.
Who also isn't beyond spouting utter bollocks to win votes
 
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The Times: I spoke to a police officer recently who said that the Brexit campaign had led to an increase in hate crimes. Do you regret the way you ran the 2016 referendum campaign?

No, says Michael Gove. He says Britons have become more pro-immigrant since the campaign.
 
Johnson's (prospective) win seemed suspiciously like a fait accompli from the start - reporters are & have been, frankly, rude to Gove; their questions are often a variation of 'give up'.