Westminster Politics

Frosty said:
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In industry if you solicited a bribe in order to facilitate insider trading you could go to jail for many years as I understand it, and at the least would be on the hook for a big fine. Doubtless nothing much will happen to this knobhead by contrast. I guess there's every chance he's out of a job in a year's time so trying to line his pockets ready for it.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/23/section/2
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/23/section/11
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1993/36/part/V/crossheading/the-offence-of-insider-dealing
 
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Would love to see this slimy prick get his just desserts.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Really?

After all the accusations from Tories about Labour being on the side of paedophiles, grooming gangs, criminals and Jimmy Saville, THIS is too much for you?
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Yes. I expect this shite from the Tories but I'd like the opposition to have a better tactic of opposing this disgusting government than simply going "the PM doesn't hate paedos as much as I do"
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Really?

After all the accusations from Tories about Labour being on the side of paedophiles, grooming gangs, criminals and Jimmy Saville, THIS is too much for you?
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I never said any of that is okay. Just that this is quite a crass ad from Labour.
 
It's tacky and weird. If you want to link Tory MPs to sexual assault and child molestation then there are enough real cases you could highlight, including suspensions and criminal convictions to pick from.
 
Outrage as Charles doesn't completely sweep his family's massive slavery links under the carpet.

RICHARD KAY: I fear King Charles' well-meaning gesture to look into the relationship between the monarchy and the slave trade could be an act of folly that only serves to boost republicanism for decades

For years now, it has been fashionable for governments and politicians to apologise for crimes committed in the past.

The Royal Family, however, has remained impervious to this modern affliction. Not any more: Now the King has climbed aboard the self-flagellating bandwagon.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...aning-gesture-act-folly.html#article-11947551
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Really?

After all the accusations from Tories about Labour being on the side of paedophiles, grooming gangs, criminals and Jimmy Saville, THIS is too much for you?
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I thought Labour are meant to be an alternative to the Tories?

If this current version of Labour is willing to do exactly what the Tories do to get into power, how are we supposed to believe they're actually going to improve the country?

What evidence is there to show this Labour will not be just more of the same corruption and hate we've had in the last 13 years?
 
Mogget said:
I thought Labour are meant to be an alternative to the Tories?

If this current version of Labour is willing to do exactly what the Tories do to get into power, how are we supposed to believe they're actually going to improve the country?

What evidence is there to show this Labour will not be just more of the same corruption and hate we've had in the last 13 years?
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The fact that whenever there’s been a whiff of scandal about a Labour MP they’ve had the whip removed, no delays, no whataboutism, they’re out. Compare that to Conservatives with Owen Paterson where they tried to change the Ministerial Code, Pincher where Boris tried to sweep it under the carpet, that one watching porn in the Commons where they tried to minimalise it. Labour is showing it’s holding its MPs to account.

They’re stating facts. Yes it’s blunt but it needs to be. Tories yell from the rooftops about Labour supporting paedophiles, criminal gangs etc without any facts and Labour have relied with a factual response.

As we say, it’s blunt, but I feel necessary.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
They’re stating facts. Yes it’s blunt but it needs to be. Tories yell from the rooftops about Labour supporting paedophiles, criminal gangs etc without any facts and Labour have relied with a factual response.

As we say, it’s blunt, but I feel necessary.
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The headline claim is that Rishi Sunak does not think that adults convicted of sexually assaulting children should go to prison.

You can claim facts and feelings and blunt truths all you like but the main hook of the advert is a fecking absurd claim.

Just because Labour HQ and Keirdo have shown themselves fecking desperate to orientate themselves within the bearings from a Tory moral compass, that doesn't suddenly make their shitty behaviours and less shitty. Being a dickhead is not a relative state.
 
dumbo said:
The headline claim is that Rishi Sunak does not think that adults convicted of sexually assaulting children should go to prison.

You can claim facts and feelings and blunt truths all you like but the main hook of the advert is a fecking absurd claim.

Just because Labour HQ and Keirdo have shown themselves fecking desperate to orientate themselves within the bearings from a Tory moral compass, that doesn't suddenly make their shitty behaviours and less shitty. Being a dickhead is not a relative state.
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It’s relaying the performance of the government to the leader of said party. Take for example only this week a 21yr old who raped a 13yr old was let off without prison time because he was 17 when he did it with no governmental outrage about it.

It just screams of the moral hypocrisy of the media and the country in general, the Tories publish something like this, and ‘it’s just what they do. It’s their raison d’être.’ and they win more elections.

Labour dips their toe in and suddenly it’s crass, uncouth, and bad form, and then becomes a reason to not elect them.

If something like this makes you doubt Labour won’t be any better than the Tories then there’s no help for this country.
 
The ad is definitely not something I'd go for, whether it works or not. But considering Sunak regularly squeals in the House of Commons that Labour supports sex trafficking and people smugglers because they say the Rwanda plan is garbage, the outrage is a bit rich.

I imagine this is a response to Sunak and Braverman doing the media rounds claiming brown people are getting away with child abuse due to PC/woke culture. That the ad at least puts the responsibility on the PM and Home Sec is better than that at least.
 
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Jericholyte2 said:
It’s relaying the performance of the government to the leader of said party. Take for example only this week a 21yr old who raped a 13yr old was let off without prison time because he was 17 when he did it with no governmental outrage about it.

It just screams of the moral hypocrisy of the media and the country in general, the Tories publish something like this, and ‘it’s just what they do. It’s their raison d’être.’ and they win more elections.

Labour dips their toe in and suddenly it’s crass, uncouth, and bad form, and then becomes a reason to not elect them.

If something like this makes you doubt Labour won’t be any better than the Tories then there’s no help for this country.
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Feel free to outline the massive differences between this Labour and the Tories? Other than not having Cruella in the party.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
The fact that whenever there’s been a whiff of scandal about a Labour MP they’ve had the whip removed, no delays, no whataboutism, they’re out.
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This isn’t even true if you follow things closely. Labour nowadays use the disciplinary procedures purely as a factional weapon to attack the left in their own party, if a vague opportunity presents itself. They certainly don’t have zero tolerance for their own faction. You just have to look at Neil Coyle as an example.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Feel free to outline the massive differences between this Labour and the Tories? Other than not having Cruella in the party.
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Supporting extension of FSM program
Pushed for windfall taxes and expansion of them
Looking to go against North Sea drilling
Support of ‘good faith’ negotiations with public sector workers.

If you don’t think that this potential Labour government would at least try to improve things from the cesspool that 13yrs of this governing Party has left is in, then I can’t really help you.

Admittedly I’d like him to be stronger on closer alignment with / rejoining EU but I also know why, politically, he can’t touch that yet.
 
The Tories have spent the last 13 years slandering every Labour leader and issuing culture war and policy attack messages wherever they can. You have blokes like Guilis and Anderson who cannot get through an interview without attacking Labour or Starmer. Labour put out a single attack tweet and its all "what about kinder fairer politics " and "this us unacceptable "

Get in the fecking sea the lot of you.
 
Mart1974 said:
The Tories have spent the last 13 years slandering every Labour leader and issuing culture war and policy attack messages wherever they can. You have blokes like Guilis and Anderson who cannot get through an interview without attacking Labour or Starmer. Labour put out a single attack tweet and its all "what about kinder fairer politics " and "this us unacceptable "

Get in the fecking sea the lot of you.
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So I see the tories doing that and I think "how pathetic" but when my own side (if that's actually what Labour are nowadays) do the same thing, I'm supposed to think, "oh well done guys you've laid one on them there"? Well, i don't. I just think it's a pathetic argument designed to appeal to the lowest possible base.
 
Mart1974 said:
The Tories have spent the last 13 years slandering every Labour leader and issuing culture war and policy attack messages wherever they can. You have blokes like Guilis and Anderson who cannot get through an interview without attacking Labour or Starmer. Labour put out a single attack tweet and its all "what about kinder fairer politics " and "this us unacceptable "

Get in the fecking sea the lot of you.
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100% this!

Labour cannot fix everything, we are so broken as a society and an economic state that they’ll perform miracles if they even manage to successfully slow the rot that this Tory shambles has created.

But then we have ideological purists (of which I used to be a member) who are seemingly willing to keep Tories in power because Labour won’t promise a return to the EU, magically hire 200k more NHS staff and sort out every issue with the flick of a magic wand!
 
Re Labour, until there is a better option, get in there and vote this Tory party, their sleaze, corruption, lies, disinformation and arrogance into oblivion
 
Mart1974 said:
The Tories have spent the last 13 years slandering every Labour leader and issuing culture war and policy attack messages wherever they can. You have blokes like Guilis and Anderson who cannot get through an interview without attacking Labour or Starmer. Labour put out a single attack tweet and its all "what about kinder fairer politics " and "this us unacceptable "

Get in the fecking sea the lot of you.
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You’re completely missing the point. We want to be able to support a political party that doesn’t act like the conservatives. It’s not about tribalism and saying “it’s ok because it’s our side” it’s about basic decency. What’s the point in supporting labour if we get a reskinned Tory party?
 
Pexbo said:
You’re completely missing the point. We want to be able to support a political party that doesn’t act like the conservatives. It’s not about tribalism and saying “it’s ok because it’s our side” it’s about basic decency. What’s the point in supporting labour if we get a reskinned Tory party?
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Exactly. This kind of shit is the gutter politics I find it hard to support, I want the people leading the country to be better than this. Nuanced discussion? Nah, just basically call Sunak a rapist enabler.
 
Sweet Square said:
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Not saying its right, but the thing that gets me is that Tories make unsubstantiated claims about Labour and Labour politicians all the time and are rarely called out for it. As soon as Labour do it, they MUST prove their claims and be asked if they stand by them.

Sunak says Labour support criminal gangs, human traffickers etc. all the time in PMQ's with no evidence whatsoever and no one bats an eyelid :lol:
 
“You know the problem with British politics right now? Labour!”

It’s such a joke, for 13yrs the Tories have been pissing on us all and telling us it’s raining!

They got the election in 2010, they pushed austerity on us, then they got Brexit, then they got Boris, then Lettuce with her ‘real Tory budget’ that blew 30bn out of our economy, now they have Sunak.

They scammed their way through the pandemic, lining the pockets of their mates whilst letting us all fecking die. But Labour made one shitty attack ad so they’re all just the fecking same so let’s stick around with those pissing on us and prove that we’re happy to let them off the hook no matter what they do to us!
 
Pexbo said:
You’re completely missing the point. We want to be able to support a political party that doesn’t act like the conservatives. It’s not about tribalism and saying “it’s ok because it’s our side” it’s about basic decency. What’s the point in supporting labour if we get a reskinned Tory party?
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Personally I’d vote the Tories into oblivion first, show them they lying and cheating is not acceptable. If that means labour get in so be it. Hopefully by the time a next GE comes around they have either pulled their socks up or there is a workable alternative

but I certainly wouldn’t leave this shower of Tories in power just because
 
golden_blunder said:
Personally I’d vote the Tories into oblivion first, show them they lying and cheating is not acceptable. If that means labour get in so be it. Hopefully by the time a next GE comes around they have either pulled their socks up or there is a workable alternative

but I certainly wouldn’t leave this shower of Tories in power just because
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If you reward shitty beheviour there's no incentive for them to change next time, is there?
 
I generally agree with those who are against holding their noses while voting, and it's actually a very interesting debate no matter how sure people pretend to be about their own stance. The thing now though is that we are not talking about "shitty behaviour", we are talking about a government and a party who are actively and purposely destroying the country. This needs to be absolutely clear before people make their decision.
 
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