I was talking quality control checks for Portuguese folk mainly, not tourists dumb enough to buy off the street.Westminster Politics
- Thread starter altodevil
- Start date
I was talking quality control checks for Portuguese folk mainly, not tourists dumb enough to buy off the street.
Well. Locals probably knows best. Would not be worried.
I hear that these fecking idiots are now trying to criminalise the homeless.
We've already hit the bottom and are just digging further.
We've already hit the bottom and are just digging further.
Not my proudest wank but what a speech by Yvette! Every time this woman speaks she impresses me. So refreshing to listen to.
This was also excellent from Rayner at PMQ's today
Most of what's on the internet about Portugal and drugs is not true. The police and the judiciary are not tolerant. If I were into weed, which I'm not, I'd rather take my chances in the UK or Spain. A lot of those statistics reflect them solving a heroin epidemic by instituting social rather than legal transformation.
Of course, why else would the government be looking to reform childcare. Always the same with MP's and government, only if it benefits them
Can't wait to get these charlatans outYvette has always been a great politician imo. One of the very few who can articulate with passion and eviscerate her opponents with ease. Then again, when your opposition is Cruella it ain't exactly hard
Yvette has always been a great politician imo. One of the very few who can articulate with passion and eviscerate her opponents with ease. Then again, when your opposition is Cruella it ain't exactly hard
Just a reminder. People died.
She's very articulate when she speaks and delivers a good speech.
She is very much part of the Labour right though and was critical of the big JC so I don't fully trust her.
But all that aside. That was a very good speech she delivered there so she gets my plaudets for that.
I dont think that the link i posted and any of that i revised singles out weed. And numbers are numbers and drug related incarcerations plummeted. If you are suggesting that they lie giving the numbers, then i cant counterargument as yes im trusting them. But maybe you have some proof of that
And yes, spain is very lenient with weed and in general with drugs. Partially because of the law and partially because the police doesnt care and even, based on friends experiences, they keep the weed/hash and let you go
Also, talking of spain, substance abuse is very cultural. I dont know if it is because the cultural ingrained alcohol abuse transferred to drugs, a lack of planning to tackle the problem or because is the biggest european port of entry of weed/hash through the south and cocaine, north west. But portugal had a problem and they decided to find a solution and it work. Spain we just drag our feet with the problem
@webbthepostie i was in Lisbon a few weeks back and only got approached by someone selling hash once on a 4 day stay.
And actually you are right in the fact this is an issue. They tend to target tourists because locals know of them and that quite often their products are also poor quality.
So while that is an issue. On the positive side:
- I didn't hear about kids being stabbed in the capital or attacked with acid due to turf drug wars.
- There weren't parks laced with needles or used baggies
- There weren't 10s of homeless alcoholics or addicts sleeping rough in the streets begging
- I didn't feel intimidated or as if there was a gang culture. My host actually warned me about some areas where there had been some thefts to avoid at night. So of course there is still crime but it's minimal in contrast to London.
- There weren't young kids being exploited by criminals running up and down train lines with drugs.
- I didn't witness groups or crowds of young people congregating in areas smoking weed like you would in London. I presume those who wanted to do it didn't feel like they needed to hide it from their own families due to the lack of stigma and acceptance.
- I presume the reason I didn't witness alot of the above is due to the decriminalising. Heroin addicts can go to centres and use drugs in safe environment out of sight. Those who maybe take cannabis can grow their own plants in the climate rather than pass their earnings on to criminals which in turn increases the amount of crime.
To be honest the biggest annoyance in terms of anti social behaviour that I witnessed were groups of young British males pissed up acting the fool in public spaces with no care for anyone but themselves.
But you are 100% correct to outline that you may have been approached by some people attempting to sell drugs. And to no surprise at all you weren't interested and didn't buy any. It's as if.... Decriminalising drugs doesn't create an incentive for people to suddenly do them. But for those who do wish to do then it creates a safer environment which gives the drug user more control rather than the drug dealer.
And if someone did want to try a drug and was approached by one of these people in a busy city centre. Well at least that's better than meeting a shady stranger whose details they've found on the Internet in a quiet car park.
Anyway @4bars has already made some good points and all of the above is just opinions from our experiences. More than happy to discuss actual numbers statistics and facts to show how decriminalisation and legalisation is much more successful than a failed 50 year war on drugs which has cost millions.
Can't wait for laughing gas to now be a thing of the last. These new ASBO laws will really work just look at the laws on cannabis, cocaine and heroin and their success. When was the last time you smelt weed, seen a used baggy or a needle in the UK... It's ever so successful.
And actually you are right in the fact this is an issue. They tend to target tourists because locals know of them and that quite often their products are also poor quality.
So while that is an issue. On the positive side:
- I didn't hear about kids being stabbed in the capital or attacked with acid due to turf drug wars.
- There weren't parks laced with needles or used baggies
- There weren't 10s of homeless alcoholics or addicts sleeping rough in the streets begging
- I didn't feel intimidated or as if there was a gang culture. My host actually warned me about some areas where there had been some thefts to avoid at night. So of course there is still crime but it's minimal in contrast to London.
- There weren't young kids being exploited by criminals running up and down train lines with drugs.
- I didn't witness groups or crowds of young people congregating in areas smoking weed like you would in London. I presume those who wanted to do it didn't feel like they needed to hide it from their own families due to the lack of stigma and acceptance.
- I presume the reason I didn't witness alot of the above is due to the decriminalising. Heroin addicts can go to centres and use drugs in safe environment out of sight. Those who maybe take cannabis can grow their own plants in the climate rather than pass their earnings on to criminals which in turn increases the amount of crime.
To be honest the biggest annoyance in terms of anti social behaviour that I witnessed were groups of young British males pissed up acting the fool in public spaces with no care for anyone but themselves.
But you are 100% correct to outline that you may have been approached by some people attempting to sell drugs. And to no surprise at all you weren't interested and didn't buy any. It's as if.... Decriminalising drugs doesn't create an incentive for people to suddenly do them. But for those who do wish to do then it creates a safer environment which gives the drug user more control rather than the drug dealer.
And if someone did want to try a drug and was approached by one of these people in a busy city centre. Well at least that's better than meeting a shady stranger whose details they've found on the Internet in a quiet car park.
Anyway @4bars has already made some good points and all of the above is just opinions from our experiences. More than happy to discuss actual numbers statistics and facts to show how decriminalisation and legalisation is much more successful than a failed 50 year war on drugs which has cost millions.
Can't wait for laughing gas to now be a thing of the last. These new ASBO laws will really work just look at the laws on cannabis, cocaine and heroin and their success. When was the last time you smelt weed, seen a used baggy or a needle in the UK... It's ever so successful.
Pretty weak imo.
The gotcha is asking them to explain why they think they are worth in a day what nurses earn in four months.
Richest pm in UK history punching down at people with literally nothing, imagine people trying to get themselves out of being homeless only to find they can not get a job because they have a criminal record for begging on the streets, he and his party are spineless human being who can only pray on the vulnerable, you won't see them crack down on big businesses and the mega rich on doing anything corrupt or illegal.
I think you're getting me confused with someone else. I just said the information on the internet about Portugal's drug policy is misleading. Drugs are still illegal in Portugal and you will have serious consquences if you're caught with them.
Sorry pal. I was trying to read up from the other fellas post and seen he quoted you but must have picked it all up wrong.
No worries. For what it's worth, I think your impression of Lisbon is because, in part, Portugal wasn't a victim of the Thacher/Reagan alliance that erased the idea of society in the US/UK. People are generally engaged in their communities.
On Starmer, I agree with him that weed stinks but his constituant's life is being ruined by the fact that she doesn't live in a society where that could be easily and safely sorted with a dialogue with her neighbour.
Oh Nadine what have you done now.
"Can I ask the deputy prime minister, when he's inevitably booted out of office, what will his going rate be?"
“Absolutely no doot about tha”
Boom!
“Except for fraud..because my colleagues don’t want to be caught”
Grim.
“There’s a possibility three of us could escape down there”.
Just saw a brexiteer MP blaming France on the chaos over letting people travel back to the UK for easter, if only there was a system that allowed easy travel between countries....
Irony is lost on these people, they will blame everyone but themselves, and that includes most of those who voted for it.
Yes, Labour will likely win the next election, but i don't think it will at all be at all that overwhelming like the polls said, i expect tories to overperform again, just like Bolsonaro overperformed in Brazil, like Trump overperformed in 2020.
There are a lot more mindless nationalists around than we like to believe, than we are comfortable with.
Irony is lost on these people, they will blame everyone but themselves, and that includes most of those who voted for it.
Yes, Labour will likely win the next election, but i don't think it will at all be at all that overwhelming like the polls said, i expect tories to overperform again, just like Bolsonaro overperformed in Brazil, like Trump overperformed in 2020.
There are a lot more mindless nationalists around than we like to believe, than we are comfortable with.
The EU Entry/Exit system is now due to come into place in November and the ETIAS system around this time next year.
This will involve anyone entering the EU/Schengen to be entered into the EU database system - Biometrics - everyone (adult) photographed and fingerprinted - facial recognition and tracking people more easily who overstay their three month limit. Under the ETIAS system next year they will have to pay their 7 Euros per person for the visa application.
I can't wait for the outrage.
Braverman going off the charts
She’s the brown, female face of white supremacy. She’s the acceptable face for the absolute worst ideas Tufton/Koch came come up with.
Imagine if rather than her or Priti Patel, they had Dominic Raab or Grant Schapps trying to push these policies through and pushing this rhetoric.