Westminster Politics

It just shows how weak he is. He’s spread so thin making promises to so many people to prop him up as a PM, when it comes to these sorts of issues he has no political capital and no authority. By continuing to back Zahawi he’s upsetting more voters, upsetting some within his party, making himself look weak, further eroding any trust that remains in the Tory party and further confirming their reputation as a rabble of corrupt crony’s. The rot has very much set in, we’ve just got to hope we’ve got the democracy to get rid of then.
Pretty much this. No spine, no clue.
 
It just shows how weak he is. He’s spread so thin making promises to so many people to prop him up as a PM, when it comes to these sorts of issues he has no political capital and no authority. By continuing to back Zahawi he’s upsetting more voters, upsetting some within his party, making himself look weak, further eroding any trust that remains in the Tory party and further confirming their reputation as a rabble of corrupt crony’s. The rot has very much set in, we’ve just got to hope we’ve got the democracy to get rid of then.

Well said. But unfortunately this is the shambles that will continue to govern the UK for the next couple of years.
 
Starmer better fecking work out what his policies are given the economic (and social) mess he's going to inherit. I don't think he'll be forgiven for just being a better manager of the decline than the Conserva Nostra. We could have a labradoodle in every ministerial post and they'd still do a better job than the current ones but it needs actual statesmen after the chaos Murdoch, Putin and their wrecking crew are leaving behind.

To be fair… he does have policies and they’re not mad or vote losing.

But every time he gains a little media attention and traction, a new scandal breaks in the Tory party. At this point I’m not entirely convinced that the amplification of their various scandals, isn’t a deliberate act by Murdoch et Al.

I mean, I’m less than half serious, but Labour gain a little coverage, inside a few days there’s another scandal.

We are governed by lame duck, early stage facist, criminals. Like, actual criminals. They’re sat in post, committing crimes, and writing laws or lying to get out of them.

The apathy of the nirvana seeking left and the retarded thought process of the blissfully stupid but yet ignorant right, means the Tories can’t sink any lower in approval ratings.

Our problems are easier to solve than we are willing to admit.

1. We have to become a poorer country. That is a given.
2. The top 10-15% of society need to take every single penny of that burden.

I’m not talking about changes to taxation of anyone earning less than £75k. Just tax wealth and means test historic wealth and take whole companies and central government contracts back from private hands. Few realise that those mechanisms exist. It’s not some fantasy policy. Governments can just make decisions to do it. Overnight.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CassiusClaymore
Our problems are easier to solve than we are willing to admit.

1. We have to become a poorer country. That is a given.
2. The top 10-15% of society need to take every single penny of that burden.

I’m not talking about changes to taxation of anyone earning less than £75k. Just tax wealth and means test historic wealth and take whole companies and central government contracts back from private hands. Few realise that those mechanisms exist. It’s not some fantasy policy. Governments can just make decisions to do it. Overnight.

You reckon a Starmer lead government will do this?
 
It just shows how weak he is. He’s spread so thin making promises to so many people to prop him up as a PM, when it comes to these sorts of issues he has no political capital and no authority. By continuing to back Zahawi he’s upsetting more voters, upsetting some within his party, making himself look weak, further eroding any trust that remains in the Tory party and further confirming their reputation as a rabble of corrupt crony’s. The rot has very much set in, we’ve just got to hope we’ve got the democracy to get rid of then.
Didn't Sunak suggest in PMQs that he was unaware of the issue until it was raised last weekend?
 


Ridiculous caller but I also think Marina’s response is one of the main problems with some in the Left right now, they call people stupid (admittedly Kath is) and expect them to agree with them.

 
You reckon a Starmer lead government will do this?

Aspects of it. But It doesn’t matter. A Starmer government can get elected.

If the country just shouts NO at the disaster capitalists, enough will change.

Anyone staying home on polling day is of the same ilk, or probably worse than a Brexiteer.

We need to stop complaining, decimate the Tories, and advocate and vote for improvements beyond that. A 30 seat Labour win would be an absolute disaster. It needs to be historic. Our country is fcuked.
 
I would have both. Don't like the term wealth tax though, has connotations of envy and negativity. Labour's old 'unearned income' was a good one, need something like that referring to assets, but I'm not clever enough to think of it.

Just don’t call it a tax at all.

State that you’re removing benefits from certain people. Make it clear that our society is insanely unbalanced and rich people can no longer claim benefits.
 


I whole-heartedly agree with what she says in the clip. Except she didn’t do that, admittedly she had Anne whatsherface to deal with too, but she wasn’t far off saying ‘You’re an idiot and I’m a ought so come and support my cause’.
 
He sacks Zahawi for breaking the ministerial code yet hires Cruella who also broke the code 1 week later. Zahawi then in plain irony mode when he references arriving as a refugee here when stopping others fleeing violence. Fecking shit show.
 
The money these MPs are making from second jobs is astonishing. Millions.

That’s on top of an £85k salary plus the mountains of expenses we know they claim.

How on earth do they have the time for a second job on top of that? Is being an MP that easy there’s enough downtime to pick up such side earners?

Disgusting.
We all have the same 24 hours
 
Zahawis response letter is one for the ages. No humility or a hint of an apology. More like an Oscars winning speech. And ends with a swipe at the media. What a pompous tool.
 
This is what frustrates me about the media. They don't give anyone any privacy any more and seem to get a kick out of destroying peoples lives.

At the end of the day it was a careless mistake which he held his hands up to and even paid a fine over and beyond the sum of the actual accident.

Yet the British media are out there hounding him down and treating him like some yob whose stolen a trolleys worth of shopping from tesco.

Feel sorry for him and his family and just another example of the double standards on the media.

All the focus on someone making a mistake and paying over and above for their error. Yet a Labour member is using their expenses for cocaine and its barely reported on. And those lefties have the cheek to try and suggest the BBC are bias.
 
This is what frustrates me about the media. They don't give anyone any privacy any more and seem to get a kick out of destroying peoples lives.

At the end of the day it was a careless mistake which he held his hands up to and even paid a fine over and beyond the sum of the actual accident.

Yet the British media are out there hounding him down and treating him like some yob whose stolen a trolleys worth of shopping from tesco.

Feel sorry for him and his family and just another example of the double standards on the media.

All the focus on someone making a mistake and paying over and above for their error. Yet a Labour member is using their expenses for cocaine and its barely reported on. And those lefties have the cheek to try and suggest the BBC are bias.
You gotta do some white text man
 
Zahawis response letter is one for the ages. No humility or a hint of an apology. More like an Oscars winning speech. And ends with a swipe at the media. What a pompous tool.
Rambling on about not speaking a word of English when he came here, shame he didn't learn humility!

Surely a GE is round the corner.
 
This is what frustrates me about the media. They don't give anyone any privacy any more and seem to get a kick out of destroying peoples lives.

At the end of the day it was a careless mistake which he held his hands up to and even paid a fine over and beyond the sum of the actual accident.

Yet the British media are out there hounding him down and treating him like some yob whose stolen a trolleys worth of shopping from tesco.

Feel sorry for him and his family and just another example of the double standards on the media.

All the focus on someone making a mistake and paying over and above for their error. Yet a Labour member is using their expenses for cocaine and its barely reported on. And those lefties have the cheek to try and suggest the BBC are bias.
Ah, the typical right winger response. Your guy fecked up, get over it. Back into your Tory cage. This is how you do white text
 
This is what frustrates me about the media. They don't give anyone any privacy any more and seem to get a kick out of destroying peoples lives.

At the end of the day it was a careless mistake which he held his hands up to and even paid a fine over and beyond the sum of the actual accident.

Yet the British media are out there hounding him down and treating him like some yob whose stolen a trolleys worth of shopping from tesco.

Feel sorry for him and his family and just another example of the double standards on the media.

All the focus on someone making a mistake and paying over and above for their error. Yet a Labour member is using their expenses for cocaine and its barely reported on. And those lefties have the cheek to try and suggest the BBC are bias.

Interesting that 'forgetting' to pay millions of pounds is not as bad as stealing a trolley of shopping from Tesco.....
 
This is what frustrates me about the media. They don't give anyone any privacy any more and seem to get a kick out of destroying peoples lives.

At the end of the day it was a careless mistake which he held his hands up to and even paid a fine over and beyond the sum of the actual accident.

Yet the British media are out there hounding him down and treating him like some yob whose stolen a trolleys worth of shopping from tesco.

Feel sorry for him and his family and just another example of the double standards on the media.

All the focus on someone making a mistake and paying over and above for their error. Yet a Labour member is using their expenses for cocaine and its barely reported on. And those lefties have the cheek to try and suggest the BBC are bias.

You’re joking here right?
 
This is what frustrates me about the media. They don't give anyone any privacy any more and seem to get a kick out of destroying peoples lives.

At the end of the day it was a careless mistake which he held his hands up to and even paid a fine over and beyond the sum of the actual accident.

Yet the British media are out there hounding him down and treating him like some yob whose stolen a trolleys worth of shopping from tesco.

Feel sorry for him and his family and just another example of the double standards on the media.

All the focus on someone making a mistake and paying over and above for their error. Yet a Labour member is using their expenses for cocaine and its barely reported on. And those lefties have the cheek to try and suggest the BBC are bias.

Daily Mail, is that you?
 
Ah, the typical right winger response. Your guy fecked up, get over it. Back into your Tory cage. This is how you do white text
He made a mistake, we all do. He's only a human cnut
Interesting that 'forgetting' to pay millions of pounds is not as bad as stealing a trolley of shopping from Tesco.....

Well its a bit hard to forgot to pay for shopping seeing as you have to exit through the tills. This was a careless mistake. Do you honestly thing someone who sacrifices their time to serve the people of the country would do thst on purpose?
You’re joking here right?

The only joke is the amount of people happy to celebrate a man's life being ruined. Seems lefties don't have an issue with refugees unless they make a success of themselves.

Zahawai came to the UK not even knowing the language and came from nothing. So is it any wonder he maybe made a small mistake given his family didn't originate here. Not as if his grandma was a bank governer or anything.
 
This is what frustrates me about the media. They don't give anyone any privacy any more and seem to get a kick out of destroying peoples lives.

At the end of the day it was a careless mistake which he held his hands up to and even paid a fine over and beyond the sum of the actual accident.

Yet the British media are out there hounding him down and treating him like some yob whose stolen a trolleys worth of shopping from tesco.

Feel sorry for him and his family and just another example of the double standards on the media.

All the focus on someone making a mistake and paying over and above for their error. Yet a Labour member is using their expenses for cocaine and its barely reported on. And those lefties have the cheek to try and suggest the BBC are bias.

The HMRC don’t fine you for a mistake. If it’s a genuine error you pay them the tax you owe and it’s case closed.

To actually fine him means that their investigation has concluded that it was tax evasion.
 
The HMRC don’t fine you for a mistake. If it’s a genuine error you pay them the tax you owe and it’s case closed.

To actually fine him means that their investigation has concluded that it was tax evasion.
I was really quite surprised when the head of the HRMC came out public with that, in relation to the chair of the governing party, especially a conservative chair, but good on him. I'd take a guess that Zahawi must really have wound them up.
 
This is what frustrates me about the media. They don't give anyone any privacy any more and seem to get a kick out of destroying peoples lives.

At the end of the day it was a careless mistake which he held his hands up to and even paid a fine over and beyond the sum of the actual accident.

Yet the British media are out there hounding him down and treating him like some yob whose stolen a trolleys worth of shopping from tesco.

Feel sorry for him and his family and just another example of the double standards on the media.

All the focus on someone making a mistake and paying over and above for their error. Yet a Labour member is using their expenses for cocaine and its barely reported on. And those lefties have the cheek to try and suggest the BBC are bias.
:lol:
 
I was really quite surprised when the head of the HRMC came out public with that, in relation to the chair of the governing party, especially a conservative chair, but good on him. I'd take a guess that Zahawi must really have wound them up.
Yeah I guess the civil service is sick being shat on but it was a great putdown from the guy.
 
Bloody media. How dare they hold people involved in running the country and creating laws for its citizens to a high standard. Wankers.
 
He made a mistake, we all do. He's only a human cnut


Well its a bit hard to forgot to pay for shopping seeing as you have to exit through the tills. This was a careless mistake. Do you honestly thing someone who sacrifices their time to serve the people of the country would do thst on purpose?


The only joke is the amount of people happy to celebrate a man's life being ruined. Seems lefties don't have an issue with refugees unless they make a success of themselves.

Zahawai came to the UK not even knowing the language and came from nothing. So is it any wonder he maybe made a small mistake given his family didn't originate here. Not as if his grandma was a bank governer or anything.

You’re a rascal
 
Why are they so bad at politics? Everyone and their mother knew when this story broke about zahawi that they'd have to sack him, its basically a repeat of the scandals that have plagued the last couple of years. Sunak would have at least gotten some credit if he immediately sacked him and said this is how he was different from boris, that when he said there would be accountability he meant it. Instead he's been dragged into doing it after they've defended him for a week, and gets zero credit. Same as with sharp, we know he'll have to go, he'll get a bit longer but more and more stuff will come out about this loan, including why boris needed it and couldn't go through a bank, and who actually gave the loan (we know who the guarantor was but as far as I'm aware we don't know the source of the loan) but again, getting ahead of it would see sunak getting some credit but he'll wait until he's forced to and look weak again
 
Why are they so bad at politics? Everyone and their mother knew when this story broke about zahawi that they'd have to sack him, its basically a repeat of the scandals that have plagued the last couple of years. Sunak would have at least gotten some credit if he immediately sacked him and said this is how he was different from boris, that when he said there would be accountability he meant it. Instead he's been dragged into doing it after they've defended him for a week, and gets zero credit. Same as with sharp, we know he'll have to go, he'll get a bit longer but more and more stuff will come out about this loan, including why boris needed it and couldn't go through a bank, and who actually gave the loan (we know who the guarantor was but as far as I'm aware we don't know the source of the loan) but again, getting ahead of it would see sunak getting some credit but he'll wait until he's forced to and look weak again
Boris culled a lot of them to get Brexit done and the Tories have been winning elections with ease so there's no need to be good at politics. We're still a few years away from the next election so they have no need to really get their shit together.
 
Zahawis response letter is one for the ages. No humility or a hint of an apology. More like an Oscars winning speech. And ends with a swipe at the media. What a pompous tool.

Both the Spectator and the Mirror have called it graceless

But a different article at the Spectator has allies of Zahawi complaining that he thought he was going to meet Magnus for a second meeting, and smearing it as incomplete or rushed out

So there may be plenty of scope for the bad grace to get even worse ...
 
Don't know what all the fuss is about. After all, he only paid a fine to HMRC of £5,000,000. Peanuts for a Tory MP. No wonder the man of the people sunak backed him. Nothing to see here....