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Very worrying report in the guardian today

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/17/divided-britain-study-finds-huge-chasm-in-attitudes

But in the wake of the 2017 terror attacks and grooming gang prosecutions, 32% of people believe there are Muslim “no-go areas” in Britain governed by Sharia law, a view endorsed by 49% of leave voters in the Brexit referendum.

An attempt to locate centres of strongly anti-Muslim or far-right sentiment, done by mapping the locations of people who signed an online petition seeking the release from prison of the anti-Islam activist known as Tommy Robinson, found a strong link to the deprived towns associated with Brexit and more general opposition to immigration.

Conversely, the study concluded, areas where people feel more in control of own lives and optimistic about their futures “become more resilient to hateful narratives and to political manifestations of this hatred”.

It found that such divisions closely correlate with people’s votes over Brexit, noting that opposition to the EU and prejudice towards Islam “are clearly interlinked issues for many”.
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How do people believe this shite.
 
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Sweet Square said:
Very worrying report in the guardian today

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/17/divided-britain-study-finds-huge-chasm-in-attitudes



How do people believe this shite.
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Most of the answers lie in the article you've linked eg.....

Conversely, the study concluded, areas where people feel more in control of own lives and optimistic about their futures “become more resilient to hateful narratives and to political manifestations of this hatred”.

The report concluded that people in deprived communities often saw immigration as part of “a broader story about dissatisfaction with their own lives”, repeating stories from the media about immigrants supposedly receiving preferential treatment from public services.

The article is also quite hopeful...

It found that between 2011 and 2018, the proportion of people who believed immigration as a whole had been good for Britain rose from 40% to 60%.

...younger people found to be notably less likely to see immigration as a significant national problem or to worry about Islamist terrorism.

It's clear as day living here in the middle of the Brexit midlands that these post industrial communities (whats left of them) need rebuilding. Address the inequality in this country and give the people of Grimsby the same opportunities as those of Cambridge and you go a long way to solving the problem.
 
Britain fell for a neoliberal con trick – even the IMF says so
What price is paid when a promise is broken? Because for much of my life, and probably yours, the political class has made this pledge: that the best way to run an economy is to hack back the public realm as far as possible and let the private sector run free. That way, services operate better, businesses get the resources they need, and our national finances are healthier.

It’s why your tax credits keep dropping, and your mum has to wait half a year to see a hospital consultant – because David Cameron slashed public spending, to stop it “crowding out” private money. It’s why water bills are so high and train services can never be counted on – because both industries have been privatised.

From the debacle of universal credit to the forced conversion of state schools into corporate-run academies, the ideology of the small state – defined by no less a body than the International Monetary Fund as neoliberalism – is all pervasive. It decides how much money you have left at the end of the week and what kind of future your children will enjoy, and it explains why your elderly relatives can’t get a decent carer.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/17/economic-lies-neoliberalism-taxpayers
 
sun_tzu said:
Id be interested to see the breakdown
Labour have 257 MP's
SNP 35
Libs 12
there are 8 independents
Plaid 4
Green 1

So to only get 279 means that a fair few labour or SNP didnt vote for it
Looks like they could have possibly won or at least pushed very close with better organisation
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The divisions will be viewable tomorrow I would expect but you can have a read of the debate and see them individually in the link below.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2018-10-17a.648.0#g716.0

The debate is basically this...

Tory MP "UC is putting more people into work and complaints have gone down in my constituency"

Labour MP "UC is pushing people into poverty and complaints have gone through the roof in my constituency"

Repeat ad infinitum with lashings of "No i will not give way" and the speaker knocking time off everyone.
 
Thought this was funny:

Will Hammond have a tipple?

Unlike any other ministers at any other time, the Chancellor can choose to drink alcohol while delivering the Budget.

The last Chancellor to do this was Kenneth Clarke, who drank a whisky at the box. From 1997 and the arrival of Gordon Brown, Chancellors have sipped nothing more than mineral water.

Geoffrey Howe had a gin and tonic, while Nigel Lawson had a white wine spritzer.
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Who is following the budget speech? Pity my job demands it. This shit is boring.
 
Adisa said:
Who is following the budget speech? Pity my job demands it. This shit is boring.
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Yeah we had to cover it. Pretty dull tbh. The digital services tax got most interest on our site, then the stuff about tax treatment of self-employed. No fireworks in there though
 
It continues to be a great mystery to me how basic rate taxpayers consistently show no outrage at the Tories giving handoffs to higher rate ones.
 
I want to read more about the digital services tax. Anyone have anything meaty on it?
 
Smores said:
It continues to be a great mystery to me how basic rate taxpayers consistently show no outrage at the Tories giving handoffs to higher rate ones.
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Because they don't care. It's far more important that they blame Latvians and Labour for bankers being schemy arseholes and wrecking the economy, innit.
 
Not much interest in the budget on the Caf apparently, so here's my take. The biggest gainers are higher rate tax payers, who will now pay 20% income tax instead of 40% from £46k to £50k income. This gain isn't as large as it may appear however, as somewhat hidden in the small print is a similar increase in National Insurance upper limit, so although saving on income tax those higher earners will pay 12% national insurance from £46k to £50k, that they wouldn't have previously.

So here it comes - you pay income tax on pensions, but you don't pay national insurance. Wealthy pensioners will therefore be the biggest gainers from this budget. That's how Hammond should have summarised it, 'A Budget for Wealthy Pensioners'. Just what the country needed eh?, I hope this makes everyone feel better.
 
711 said:
Not much interest in the budget on the Caf apparently, so here's my take. The biggest gainers are higher rate tax payers, who will now pay 20% income tax instead of 40% from £46k to £50k income. This gain isn't as large as it may appear however, as somewhat hidden in the small print is a similar increase in National Insurance upper limit, so although saving on income tax those higher earners will pay 12% national insurance from £46k to £50k, that they wouldn't have previously.

So here it comes - you pay income tax on pensions, but you don't pay national insurance. Wealthy pensioners will therefore be the biggest gainers from this budget. That's how Hammond should have summarised it, 'A Budget for Wealthy Pensioners'. Just what the country needed eh?, I hope this makes everyone feel better.
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Bearing in mind the age profile of the Leave voters in the referendum he could have said “A Budget for Wealthy Brexiteers” then sat back down and watched everyone’s head explode.
 
711 said:
Not much interest in the budget on the Caf apparently, so here's my take. The biggest gainers are higher rate tax payers, who will now pay 20% income tax instead of 40% from £46k to £50k income. This gain isn't as large as it may appear however, as somewhat hidden in the small print is a similar increase in National Insurance upper limit, so although saving on income tax those higher earners will pay 12% national insurance from £46k to £50k, that they wouldn't have previously.

So here it comes - you pay income tax on pensions, but you don't pay national insurance. Wealthy pensioners will therefore be the biggest gainers from this budget. That's how Hammond should have summarised it, 'A Budget for Wealthy Pensioners'. Just what the country needed eh?, I hope this makes everyone feel better.
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That's their base isn't it?
 
Minimalist said:
That's their base isn't it?
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I imagine it's true to say that most wealthy pensioners vote Tory, but that's not the same as most Tories are wealthy pensioners, as there simply aren't enough higher rate tax-paying pensioners to account for the size of the Tory vote. So base isn't really the right word, no.

I do wonder how many Tory voters know what they actually vote for though.
 
711 said:
I imagine it's true to say that most wealthy pensioners vote Tory, but that's not the same as most Tories are wealthy pensioners, as there simply aren't enough higher rate tax-paying pensioners to account for the size of the Tory vote. So base isn't really the right word, no.

I do wonder how many Tory voters know what they actually vote for though.
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You can equally say the same thing about Labour voters, so I have no idea what point you are making here, unless it's just a typical Lefty dig?

The reality is, who you vote for tends to be the best compromise you can come up with. I tend to plump for the ones who are least likely to feck the whole thing up, i.e. not Labour.

Often I don't want to vote for anyone, but then I would be giving up my democratic right.
 
Sassy Colin said:
You can equally say the same thing about Labour voters, so I have no idea what point you are making here, unless it's just a typical Lefty dig?

The reality is, who you vote for tends to be the best compromise you can come up with. I tend to plump for the ones who are least likely to feck the whole thing up, i.e. not Labour.

Often I don't want to vote for anyone, but then I would be giving up my democratic right.
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Yes, that's true. Given the context of my posts on the budget though I thought it obvious that I was questioning whether poorer Tory voters realised they were actually voting for people that wanted to give more money to the wealthy, but my apologies if that wasn't so clear.
 
711 said:
Not much interest in the budget on the Caf apparently, so here's my take. The biggest gainers are higher rate tax payers, who will now pay 20% income tax instead of 40% from £46k to £50k income. This gain isn't as large as it may appear however, as somewhat hidden in the small print is a similar increase in National Insurance upper limit, so although saving on income tax those higher earners will pay 12% national insurance from £46k to £50k, that they wouldn't have previously.

So here it comes - you pay income tax on pensions, but you don't pay national insurance. Wealthy pensioners will therefore be the biggest gainers from this budget. That's how Hammond should have summarised it, 'A Budget for Wealthy Pensioners'. Just what the country needed eh?, I hope this makes everyone feel better.
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I have a lot of interest, I'm just waiting for the weekend when I'll have some time to dig into and read the more detailed analysis in the various newspapers and periodicals. then I'll come back and post. Thanks for your analysis though
 
Tracey Crouch has resigned over the delay in reducing the maximum stakes for fixed-odds betting machines. Fair play to her for sticking to her principles on this.
 
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