It’s odd seeing how close people used to sit together.
But yeah she’s a dangerous woman and this bill is obscene.
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It’s odd seeing how close people used to sit together.
But yeah she’s a dangerous woman and this bill is obscene.
Not defending anything, just stating the facts that many of those in authority, abuse that position, history is a good guide on this.
The problem is we elect people, not saints, to public office and the temptation to take things for granted, especially when you appear to be fireproof ( e.g. 80 seat majority) applies to everyone whether in high office or not and I am willing to bet that most people reading this have tried to cover their tracks, when they have made a mess of their job/position, rather than admit their mistake.
To those who may be reading this who do own up, of their own volition, I offer apologies for my mistake!
Nah, again that's not a valid excuse or even explanation. We have a saying in Spanish that goes "se cree que el ladrón que todos son de su condición", which roughly translates into "the thief believes everybody is one". And no, not everybody is one. But even if we were, which we aren't, the government still should be the most accountable institution in a country, not the least, so yeah, not a valid mitigating circumstance, at all.
Its not mitigation its fact, those in political 'settled power' tend to abuse the position when because of that settled power (in this case an 80 seat majority) they at best become complacent, at worst become uncaring... and for people to believe otherwise, or to believe they can hold political figures to a higher order, is for me at least being extremely naive, and confirms the saying ..."we get the politicians we deserve".
Nah, you're getting it all backwards, we get the politicians we have now precisely because so many people think like you do, and believe those "facts". Wanting a fairer, less corrupt and more accountable system is not naive. Not wanting it and/or trying to convince everyone else that it's impossible is how we got here.
This Bill will be passed by all parties and the House of Lords. It's not just PP
That picture is just perfect. I'm not one to revel in the misery of others but she went into the job knowing she would be lying on behalf of a pathological liar, and now she's been chewed up and spat out by his awful No. 10 machine. It's like logging into Bluemoon then complaining about having to read insanely bitter posts.
That's crazy if she was born in London. My missus was born over there. This is the Brexit many wanted I guess- able to deport the brown people easily.From my understanding of this my partner who is Mauritian / English, born in London, could be stripped of her citizenship because she can apply for Mauritian nationality?
anybody with Irish Grandparents then presumably ... something like 10% of the population I think
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/...ish_citizenship_through_birth_or_descent.html
It’s ironic that Priti Patels people emigrated to the U.K. in the 60s so she should be careful it doesn’t backfire on her
I sometimes wonder is that why she’s swinging to the right, trying to prove she’s British
Interestingly when I was talking to my partner she thinks it’s part of the psychology of being colonised for some. Perhaps they feel the only way to be accepted by the oppressor is to be as evil as them.
Her twitter is a classic story of a Tory that votes then in and then complains about how shite they are. Boggles the mind.
And will, without question, vote for them again.
That's only partly true. When you have an army of PPE graduates desperate for power you're asking for trouble when you actually give it to them. Those people are not your average citizens.
For the rest of her life*
Definitely, the colonies were brainwashed by British imperialism. Some bought into it hook, line and sinker.
Strange because it's almost the British imperialism ethos of the early 1900s which was imparted across countries and families.
My wife says similar. They learned from the Brits that lying, cheating and stealing is the way to get ahead.
She said when they study in Britain it's cos they want something back too.
I think it may be you facing the wrong way.... but each to his own!
Yes, you could be right, PPE graduates...'living the dream'??
You see. This is the problem when you elect a compulsive liar.
They fail to distinguish between lies and the truth. Because to them, the truth and facts and proper standards just get in the way of their preferred fantasy.
Some people find it mildly amusing at first. Until the country needs proper leadership. And then it all unravels into the chaos we now have.
They fail to distinguish between lies and the truth. Because to them, the truth and facts and proper standards just get in the way of their preferred fantasy.
Some people find it mildly amusing at first. Until the country needs proper leadership. And then it all unravels into the chaos we now have.
How many more babies is Boris gonna have???
Just seen he's had another one today
Just seen he's had another one today
How many more babies is Boris gonna have???
Just seen he's had another one today
He must be approaching double figures by now. If ever you needed proof of Kissinger’s aphorism about power being an aphrodisiac, he’s it.
All of these women must have some serious issues though, it's just incredible he can even talk to a girl, let alone have sex with any of them
In fairness to The Tories, it's hard to do anything wrong if you weren't planning to do anything right.
Is it me or this proposed law is indeed more fascist than anything Trump ever tried to pass?
Has politics in this Country ever been in such a mess? Has it ever been “so” untrusted by the public? Has it ever had such an untrustworthy blithering idiot like Boris leading the Government?
I’m only 32 so I genuinely don’t know but in my lifetime I don’t think it’s ever been in such a publicly visibly corrupt awful mess, I no all Governments have a level of corruption but ours at the moment seems so casual.
It literally feels like the rich boys sniggering away in corner with eachother occasionally coming out to address the rest of us in the room and purposely say something untrue because they think they can do and say what they want to us peasants and then running back off to the corner again to have a good ole laugh between them.
These guys can never be aloud to be in positions of power ever again at the next election, it’s astonishing what’s going on and so publicly too
I’m only 32 so I genuinely don’t know but in my lifetime I don’t think it’s ever been in such a publicly visibly corrupt awful mess, I no all Governments have a level of corruption but ours at the moment seems so casual.
It literally feels like the rich boys sniggering away in corner with eachother occasionally coming out to address the rest of us in the room and purposely say something untrue because they think they can do and say what they want to us peasants and then running back off to the corner again to have a good ole laugh between them.
These guys can never be aloud to be in positions of power ever again at the next election, it’s astonishing what’s going on and so publicly too
I can't think of any Trump laws that were worse, no, and this proposed law is a draw for facist motivations with the already passed PCSC bill.
@711 was born in the 16th century so perhaps he’s best placed to judge.
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Allowed power? How do we prevent it? They were a transparent bunch of cnuts before the last election and they won a landslide off of the back of their manufactured Brexit scam. They'll, in all probability, hold power at the next election too although perhaps after a cull of the damaged goods and a cosmetic reshuffle. They no longer need to hide their fascistic tendencies or contemptuous superiority behind creative language because they are unassailably in control. The media backs and protects them or cowers in fear of them in general. The Labour party apes their rhetoric in hopes of winning the centre ground. Protests they don't agree with can literally and at a whim be criminalised (and don't think for a minute Labour'll roll that back in the improbable event they win power anytime soon) and all while the clocks were striking thirteen.
Obviously that was a figure of speech statement of mine that you quoted, and you can prevent it, quite simply don’t vote for them.
They have been so bad I’d take any party over this lot, which I can’t believe I’m saying.
This is by far the worst it has been in my lifetime (starting with Thatcher) and almost certainly the worst since the days of the limited franchise and the rotten boroughs. I think Brexit is the key - it turned political allegiance into a football-style tribal identification. There is still hope however as long as people get angry about these abuses of power. The alternative is the kind of nihilism you see in places like Russia where people just automatically assume politicians are crooks and develop a “better the devil you know“ mentality. The way out of this nightmare is electoral reform; whether Starmer, Davey, Sturgeon etc have the desire and the political skill to form an anti-Tory coalition remains to be seen.
Yup, the veneer of sincerity and "need for spin" is being chipped away at more and more... and enough people here seem to be ok with it. I think the Tories themselves are bewildered at just how much they're able to get away with right now if I'm being honest.
All of which is an outcome of Brexit, which was the right-wing Pandora's Box that so many feared it would be. It's also the reason why Labour seem completely out of place in the current landscape. A genuinely broadchurch party in terms of ideas as well as identities was never going to survive a moment when commonality is disregarded.
No, not really. Thatcher was evil on a different scale to this lot, but she was effective. Major's governments descended into sleaze, corruption and personal, but he wasn't incompetent to Johnson's degree. On a local level maybe, Labour's far left in Liverpool in the 80s matched Johnson for corruption and contempt, but not nationally.
Where I disagree with many on here is that things will never change. When in a trend it can be difficult to see the end, but a look at history shows there always is an end.