Westminster Politics

Superden said:
its actually +8 (according to youguv), in the middle of a fuel crisis shitstorm.
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Must be a few folk who thought "shit, if it's this bad under the Tories imagine how much worse it would be under Labour?" Because apparently Gordon Brown sold all our gold for no reason and there was literally nothing going on in the world at the time.

It's like those Twitter dipshits who post pictures that say "this is what Biden's America would look like" displaying a photo of Trump's actual America.
 
Just yesterday conservative MPs were posting pics on twitter showing empty shelves in a belgian supermarket, with the comments along the likes of look its happening there too and dont believe the remoaner press over here linking shortages to brexit. On all the tweets, it was pointed out by others repeatedly and with sources that the pics were due to industrial action impacting supply for a specific chain of stores (carrefour) in a specific location. Did the MPs retract their comments / correct or delete their tweets, of course not, instead their supporters continued to berate anyone pointing out the actual facts as being traitors. a plague on all their (detached) houses.
 
Superden said:
Just yesterday conservative MPs were posting pics on twitter showing empty shelves in a belgian supermarket, with the comments along the likes of look its happening there too and dont believe the remoaner press over here linking shortages to brexit. On all the tweets, it was pointed out by others repeatedly and with sources that the pics were due to industrial action impacting supply for a specific chain of stores (carrefour) in a specific location. Did the MPs retract their comments / correct or delete their tweets, of course not, instead their supporters continued to berate anyone pointing out the actual facts as being traitors. a plague on all their (detached) houses.
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Bad faith actors.
 
sun_tzu said:
Labour should get fully on board with the progressive alliance for election reform


Lab, Lib, SNP, Greens, Plaid agree to only have 1 candidate stand and to support that candidate and al candidates have in their manifestio that they will pass immediate electoral reform for a PR system then call a new election

Probably delivers a big majority and a government is formed.. Passes PR then dissolves

Finally allows Labour to fragment, Greens will likley get much more than 1mp under a PR system... SNP probably extract some agreement for indy ref 2

All achievable if Lab and Lib sign up to this for the next election
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Good idea.

But Starmer has persuaded the right/centrist leaning unions to vote against PR as a Labour policy. The members seem to want it overwhelmingly.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
The Tories, even though they have twelve men on the pitch and the ref is bent, continually leave an open goal. And if Labour don't fall on the ball, one of their team mates pushes them over.



Let's not hold the Tories to account for the mounting levels of shit they're producing, let's argue with one another!

If it's not Momentum causing drama and infighting it's the fecking unions - and I say that as a union member. They're like those twats you get at work training days who have to disrupt the host with their bullshit to show how "against the system" they are.
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Starmer trying to change the one member one vote rule before the Labour conference caused more division and arguments than any union.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Sounds like the unions are very much against it.
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Most of the 'woke' politicians and sensible activists would be dead against it as well. The problem with PR for them is that there's not enough power on offer. In a two party system for the Labour party the two main factions, the 'woke' socialists and the pro-Europe neo-libs, know that if they can get in power then they can really implement their ideology.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Good idea.

But Starmer has persuaded the right/centrist leaning unions to vote against PR as a Labour policy. The members seem to want it overwhelmingly.
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Well as 95% of the union vote was against pr that simply can't be true... pretty much all unions voted against it

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...abour-parties-call-to-axe-first-past-the-post

Starmer could have and imo should have done more to back it but there is no way 95% of the unions are centrist and right is there... I mean unite account for more than 5% of the union vote so they must have voted against it as well as I'm sure they are not in your definition of a centrist union?


With a year of working on it though I could see enough unions coming round to back a pr motion in 2022... just in time for a 2023 spring election which is what I think we will get ... so could be in the manifesto or even tactically a pr alliance to stand down in certain seats ... I'm still optimistic it can happen (not sure it will but I've not given up hope yet)
 
TheGame said:
Johnson with a car crash interview on Marr. Completely out of his depth. No wonder he evades scrutiny.

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Missed this earlier. To be fair, there's no way of answering that question without looking like a fool... unless you talk about why there is a labour shortage. Something these cnuts aren't willing to do.
 
Buster15 said:
Well I learnt something today. Animals are killed for food. That man is a real fountain of knowledge.
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Much better story if Marr could have said " did you realise PM that thousands of pigs will have to drive themselves to the Abattoir, commit suicide and then hope someone will get them to the supermarket shelves, because there are no HGV drivers, or slaughter-men, and there is no fuel reserves for priority vehicle usage."

Surely with all that's going on Marr could have confronted Boris with something more serious?

However he did surprise him that's for sure, bet that wasn't in Boris's script

Reminds me of the story of the difference between involvement and commitment. "How do you make an egg and bacon breakfast...the hens involved, but the pigs committed"! :)
 
Maticmaker said:
Much better story if Marr could have said " did you realise PM that thousands of pigs will have to drive themselves to the Abattoir, commit suicide and then hope someone will get them to the supermarket shelves, because there are no HGV drivers, or slaughter-men, and there is no fuel reserves for priority vehicle usage."

Surely with all that's going on Marr could have confronted Boris with something more serious?

However he did surprise him that's for sure, bet that wasn't in Boris's script

Reminds me of the story of the difference between involvement and commitment. "How do you make an egg and bacon breakfast...the hens involved, but the pigs committed"! :)
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Good one.
 
sun_tzu said:
Well as 95% of the union vote was against pr that simply can't be true... pretty much all unions voted against it

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...abour-parties-call-to-axe-first-past-the-post

Starmer could have and imo should have done more to back it but there is no way 95% of the unions are centrist and right is there... I mean unite account for more than 5% of the union vote so they must have voted against it as well as I'm sure they are not in your definition of a centrist union?


With a year of working on it though I could see enough unions coming round to back a pr motion in 2022... just in time for a 2023 spring election which is what I think we will get ... so could be in the manifesto or even tactically a pr alliance to stand down in certain seats ... I'm still optimistic it can happen (not sure it will but I've not given up hope yet)
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Fair enough, but indirectly the centrist/right leadership is at fault for not engaging with this issue.

I tend to agree with the below.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-proportional-representation-pr-b1927969.html
"The truth is, if the Leadership had engaged with this unifying policy as intensively as they pushed their own proposed rule changes, PR would now be Labour policy. "
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Fair enough, but indirectly the centrist/right leadership is at fault for not engaging with this issue.

I tend to agree with the below.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-proportional-representation-pr-b1927969.html
"The truth is, if the Leadership had engaged with this unifying policy as intensively as they pushed their own proposed rule changes, PR would now be Labour policy. "
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As I said imo starmer could have and should have done more to push this... I remain optimistic that this will get through next year and be in the manifesto should the election be called in 2023... and being in a glass half full mode that a pr alliance can form pass the legislation and then call an election under pr rules asap
 
Acole9 said:
He was proper rattled.
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We will see how well his answer holds up when there are bonfires of dead pigs at the same time as empty shelves in the shops and longer lines at food banks post the £20 cuts. Let's see how people feel when they see that joined up on TV. Maybe in 2 weeks.
 
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