Westminster Politics

Sorry, but I don't agree that this is serious, they were both in this together, but for whatever reason (Carrie maybe?) Boris sacked Cummings, at a time when Dominic thought he was 'fire-proof'...end of any 'seriousness' there maybe!

This is now a round of.... 'get you at playtime' from Cummings, he's telling Boris, "I will show everybody your weaknesses"... trouble is we all know Boris's weaknesses and most people love him for it. The other problem is that Cummings shows himself to be vulnerable, and not half as clever as he wants people to think he is... i.e. he clearly was not able to convince Boris and/or save his job.

As for telling lies... well goodness me, shock, horror... politicians and their advisors sometimes tell lies...would you believe it?

Do you ever think that having low expectations of politicians - unwilling to assess them against normal standards, as you’re doing here - helps create an environment where politicians expect very little of themselves, in terms of competence, integrity, purpose...anything really?
 
Sorry, but I don't agree that this is serious, they were both in this together, but for whatever reason (Carrie maybe?) Boris sacked Cummings, at a time when Dominic thought he was 'fire-proof'...end of any 'seriousness' there maybe!

This is now a round of.... 'get you at playtime' from Cummings, he's telling Boris, "I will show everybody your weaknesses"... trouble is we all know Boris's weaknesses and most people love him for it. The other problem is that Cummings shows himself to be vulnerable, and not half as clever as he wants people to think he is... i.e. he clearly was not able to convince Boris and/or save his job.

As for telling lies... well goodness me, shock, horror... politicians and their advisors sometimes tell lies...would you believe it?

These are your words:
Sorry but I don't agree that this is serious....

Close to 130,000 deaths, many totally unnecessary.
I rest my case.
 
The government chooses who chairs it, but it is often a judge. There's been multiple occasions where it has been somebody from the house of lords though and I suspect it will be this time (although I hope not).

"Although initiated and funded by government, public inquiries are run independently. Ministers have the power to remove a chair or terminate the whole process – but no minister has ever exercised this power.

Each inquiry is led by a panel who are led by a chairperson. The choice of the chair lies with the minister who initiates the inquiry, and the tendency is to favour judges."

It definitely needs a full investigation including evidence from all the major meetings, the contracts that were signed, who was making the decisions. I've got nothing against a well run inquiry, but haven't seen much evidence from previous ones that they lead anywhere. We will see.

Didn't Tony Blair have an inquiry for his whitewash on the illegal Iraqi invasion? Bojo is going to do the same.
 
Sorry, but I don't agree that this is serious, they were both in this together, but for whatever reason (Carrie maybe?) Boris sacked Cummings, at a time when Dominic thought he was 'fire-proof'...end of any 'seriousness' there maybe!

This is now a round of.... 'get you at playtime' from Cummings, he's telling Boris, "I will show everybody your weaknesses"... trouble is we all know Boris's weaknesses and most people love him for it. The other problem is that Cummings shows himself to be vulnerable, and not half as clever as he wants people to think he is... i.e. he clearly was not able to convince Boris and/or save his job.

As for telling lies... well goodness me, shock, horror... politicians and their advisors sometimes tell lies...would you believe it?
Ridiculous post.
 
Whatever you think of him, that takes balls. I dont think many people would be able to get themselves out of the house after his ravaging today.

It takes balls if you're a normal functioning human being with empathy and a conscience. I don't think that's a factor for a psychopath.

His weird manic laughter and crocodile tears routine keeps popping into my head.
 
Whatever you think of him, that takes balls. I dont think many people would be able to get themselves out of the house after his ravaging today.
he will spout out the usual "getting on with the job/middle of a pandemic/British people care about getting out of this pandemic/vaccine, vaccine vaccine"
 
It takes balls if you're a normal functioning human being with empathy and a conscience. I don't think that's a factor for a psychopath.

His weird manic laughter and crocodile tears routine keeps popping into my head.
You have to have iron clad skin to be in politics, but yes to ignore this and carry on you have to have something wrong with you.
 
No scandal seems to hit the tories hard, so I expect them to increase their lead in the polls after this.
 
No scandal seems to hit the tories hard, so I expect them to increase their lead in the polls after this.
Isint is also indicative of the world we live in today. Fragmented attention, fragmented news, hardly anyone buys a newspaper. We’ve also got fatigue from scandal. Not just politics. These things just don’t have an impact anymore, as we are busy watching Netflix.
 
No scandal seems to hit the tories hard, so I expect them to increase their lead in the polls after this.
Maticmaker is perhaps a good indication of how warmly accepting the general population is of bald faced lying in all degrees.
 
The pathetic thing is none of these revelations are new yet the Tories poll well.

You've really got to think lowly of yourself to vote for this lot.
 
Maticmaker is perhaps a good indication of how warmly accepting the general population is of bald faced lying in all degrees.

Is the attitude similar in Denmark?
 
The pathetic thing is none of these revelations are new yet the Tories poll well.

You've really got to think lowly of yourself to vote for this lot.

It is still very early and these things can take time to sink in.
And even if only a small percentage of what was said is the truth, then there is much for the government to answer for.
Boris has underestimated the damage this can cause. He thinks that Cummings rating by the public will mean they still trust the PM.
But the fact is that if you throw enough mud around, some of it will stick.
 
Do you ever think that having low expectations of politicians - unwilling to assess them against normal standards, as you’re doing here - helps create an environment where politicians expect very little of themselves, in terms of competence, integrity, purpose...anything really?
Don't know if you realise it but these are the normal standards, for Politicians, and have been for years and yes its all the electorates fault.
In truth we get the politicians we deserve in the UK, in other countries its not so clear cut!
 
Quite sad really.

Not really, see things as they are, not how we would like them to be.
Generally we get the politicians we deserve, we elect them and give them our vote, but never really trust them... its an awful job but someone has to do it!
 
The line that Boris and his government are spouting; we are focused on delivering the vaccine programme is now wearing pretty thin.
It is the NHS which is delivering the vaccine programme.
And the success of it means that the process itself is working and as a result, cannot be taking up much of their time.
 


The British electorate are apathetic to politicians who negligently let thousands of innocent people die.
To put it plainly, we're fecked.
 


The British electorate are apathetic to politicians who negligently let thousands of innocent people die.
To put it plainly, we're fecked.


I don't think the Daily Mail comment section is an accurate barometer of the electorate.
 
I don't think the Daily Mail comment section is an accurate barometer of the electorate.

I'd actually disagree heavily, unfortunately. I think the Daily Mail comment section accurately captures the general sentiment of the wider nation on a wide number of current events & politics, and I'm struggling to think of a topic where that has proven to be otherwise.
 
I'd actually disagree heavily, unfortunately. I think the Daily Mail comment section accurately captures the general sentiment of the wider nation on a wide number of current events & politics, and I'm struggling to think of a topic where that has proven to be otherwise.

From their own traffic data back in 2016, 30% of their traffic is UK based. By those rough fag packet calculations, the comment section isn't probably isn't reflective of the electorate and swamped, like Twitter and most online platforms, with agenda driven people (either paid campaigners, state funded propaganda machines, or genuine individuals with feelings on the topic - the latter probably being the smallest section).
 
You are too kind sir!
Yes I am 'in step' with the majority!

The conservatives are not representing the majority though. They are beneficiaries of the rigged system they have carefully built.

Also, saying that all politicians are liars or crap or whatever, is not a reasonable excuse to vote for the worst liars who are clearly so ready to spend tax money for their own benefit. Surely the way to encourage a more honest breed of politician, is to reward those with geater integrity.

If all you are really concerned with is a stable housing market, low taxes for the wealthy and less regulation, then have the balls to admit to yourself that you actually don't care about the wider community. Then maybe you'll stop making such spurious arguments to justify your vote.
 
It definitely needs a full investigation including evidence from all the major meetings, the contracts that were signed, who was making the decisions.
Which also means it will take 5-10 years by which time the people involved will likely be out of office anyway. The Iraq inquiry wasn't published until 7 years after it was announced.
 
From their own traffic data back in 2016, 30% of their traffic is UK based. By those rough fag packet calculations, the comment section isn't probably isn't reflective of the electorate and swamped, like Twitter and most online platforms, with agenda driven people (either paid campaigners, state funded propaganda machines, or genuine individuals with feelings on the topic - the latter probably being the smallest section).

Most people who visit websites are unlikely to leave comments, so the traffic doesn't really matter in this particular subject.
Secondly, I doubt that a random person in America, Europe or wherever will feel that passionate about British politics or be well versed on it to create an account to comment or vote on matters relating to it.
Thirdly, the location of the commentator is right next to the comments so you can see where someone is (i'm not sure if this is changeable though)
& finally, the top comments generally follow a trend which can't be denied & like I said - i'm struggling to think of a topic where that has gone against the trend.
 
The conservatives are not representing the majority though. They are beneficiaries of the rigged system they have carefully built.

Also, saying that all politicians are liars or crap or whatever, is not a reasonable excuse to vote for the worst liars who are clearly so ready to spend tax money for their own benefit. Surely the way to encourage a more honest breed of politician, is to reward those with geater integrity.

If all you are really concerned with is a stable housing market, low taxes for the wealthy and less regulation, then have the balls to admit to yourself that you actually don't care about the wider community. Then maybe you'll stop making such spurious arguments to justify your vote.

I think you will find that they are, at this time, but agreed it won't last forever.

I do not have to justify my vote and you have no idea what it was/will be!

Having a stable housing market benefits anyone seeking to purchase, wanting low taxes are a given, nobody likes paying them, although of course we have to do, i.e. the only certainties in life are 'death and taxes'; regulations that work are needed, ensuring everyone adheres is the trick, of course ....spurious regulations don't work for that reason, they can be avoided.
 
Why didn't Hancock answer the questions directly? He didn't answer the question about care homes and testing.
 
24% of the voting age population voted Tory in the last election.

And from what I understand, a fair number were from postal voting.
And yet, Nigel Farage is campaigning for the abolition of postal voting.
Now I acknowledge that this all stems from the Trump side where he was trying to convince everyone of voter fraud in the last US election.
But it is also true that he wants this stopped in the UK as well.
Minority governments always do well in a low turnout.
There are much more important things to resolve that postal voting.
But we all know what Farage is capable of.