If what Cummings says is true... absolutely feck all will happen.
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Hmm. Isn't it quite a bit more serious than that though.
Here we have the man who was central to Boris Johnson policy making, the man who was after all advising the PM.
And most importantly, the man who the PM had total faith in.
And of course the man who the PM personally backed when he knew perfectly well was telling lies. Something that the PM does all the time.
Yes, Cummings is a total shit.
But Boris knew that and yet not only backed him, but went on to award a massive pay rise.
The clear point here is that all of this calls into question Boris Johnson judgement.
And as a result, calls into question his competence.
Are the BBC going to have Laura K providing any sort of commentary or analysis of this? 
If she’s on her way out it’s not because she’s broken journalistic standards it will be because she’s useless to Johnson now.
If she’s on her way out it’s not because she’s broken journalistic standards it will be because she’s useless to Johnson now.
Quite right. Anyone who thinks that you can get some sort of privileged information for nothing is seriously deluded.
Already had the Tory spin doctors on twitter saying 'But we had a successful roll out of the vaccine'....
Yes it has been a highly successful vaccine roll out.
But that in no way should predicate the chaos and incompetence before that.
And let us not forget that the vaccine roll out was carried out by the NHS and the many thousands of volunteers. Boris cannot claim full credit for that without accepting the shambles and disaster beforehand. You really can't have it both ways.
This is such a compelling watch. Absolutely fascinating. Cummins just tore a strip off BJ for “picking a fight with Rashford”
I loved that. You don’t pick a fight with Marcus Rashford, that’s just madness.
Listen wisely Villarreal.
Cummings saying that Boris regretted the first lock down and said he should have been like the Mayor in Jaws and left the beaches open... and didn't want the second lockdown when scientists were telling him to do it in September.
It's crazy... that negligence and idiocy cost so many lives.
It's crazy... that negligence and idiocy cost so many lives.
He also made a comparison to Jeff Goldblum in Independence Day at one point when talking about graphs. Either the guy's on a wind-up or is a major movie buff.
This is the kind of hearing that would result in a resignation or a firing
Fortunately Cummings did everything he could to make sure Johnson got the role of Prime Minister... oh wait that doesn’t add up.
Read between the lines....
I helped him to become PM so that I could lead as PM from the shadows as I look like someone used an app to shrink all my features and nobody would ever take me seriously as an actual politician.
Imagine being Matt Hancock.
Or tomorrow's voting intention polls - Con(+11).
Imagine being Matt Hancock.
he’s an absolutely abhorrent individual so I can’t help but load up on schadenfreude from this.
Imagine being Matt Hancock.
So the spitting image sketch of Hancock being a virgin sacrifice might come true
Sorry, but I don't agree that this is serious, they were both in this together, but for whatever reason (Carrie maybe?) Boris sacked Cummings, at a time when Dominic thought he was 'fire-proof'...end of any 'seriousness' there maybe!
This is now a round of.... 'get you at playtime' from Cummings, he's telling Boris, "I will show everybody your weaknesses"... trouble is we all know Boris's weaknesses and most people love him for it. The other problem is that Cummings shows himself to be vulnerable, and not half as clever as he wants people to think he is... i.e. he clearly was not able to convince Boris and/or save his job.
As for telling lies... well goodness me, shock, horror... politicians and their advisors sometimes tell lies...would you believe it?
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Excuse me? You don't agree that the unecessary deaths of thousands of people is serious?
I'd like to know what you think is serious!
I don't agree that this 'skirmish between' the PM and his ex-best mate is serious.
A Public Inquiry is the serious way to determine what actions or lack of them by the Government and others caused deaths and how many may have been saved.
I think a serious Public Inquiry, into the Governments handling of the pandemic, from pre-pandemic planning, through to actual management and post evaluation of the pandemic effects, is required.
At least he is right on the civil service. Civil service in a lot of countries do not want change and is the barrier for a lot of good changes.
Matt Hancock will lead a No 10 news conference tomorrow
What about the Shopping Trolley?
The problem is we know that will be headed by an ex-conservative from the house of lords as the conservatives will set up the "independent" enquiry.
No point in holding one then, is there? Everyone involved gets a free pass!
So, back to the 'knock about' stuff in the Commons.
What we need is for an independent government inquiry to have people not involved in politics such as judges to appoint the enquiry board and commission it. Having it run and owned by internally appointed people makes zero sense when they are investigating themselves.
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As far as I am aware all Public Inquiries into such matters are headed by Judges, usually senior judges.
What is essential is the range/terms of reference of the Inquiry and having people on the Inquiry panel and who ask the questions, who know what they are talking about and what questions to ask!
For me the range and terms of reference would be everything from how prepared where we, to how did we handle it, especially the ongoing twists and turns and finally the evaluation (i.e. the ongoing and post pandemic findings) and how this can be used for dealing with future pandemics.
Once the Inquiry is complete, then the political 'axe' can fall, where its due.... yes of course, as we have seen many times before, Inquiry outcomes are often 'kicked into the long grass' at this stage! Then it becomes a long slog for survivors and/or the relatives of those who died or who were otherwise affected to pursue those identified as being responsible, through the courts...if they can!
The government chooses who chairs it, but it is often a judge. There's been multiple occasions where it has been somebody from the house of lords though and I suspect it will be this time (although I hope not).
"Although initiated and funded by government, public inquiries are run independently. Ministers have the power to remove a chair or terminate the whole process – but no minister has ever exercised this power.
Each inquiry is led by a panel who are led by a chairperson. The choice of the chair lies with the minister who initiates the inquiry, and the tendency is to favour judges."
It definitely needs a full investigation including evidence from all the major meetings, the contracts that were signed, who was making the decisions. I've got nothing against a well run inquiry, but haven't seen much evidence from previous ones that they lead anywhere. We will see.
Whatever you think of him, that takes balls. I dont think many people would be able to get themselves out of the house after his ravaging today.