Westminster Politics

sun_tzu said:
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one down... now just prtii patel to stick the knife into before he can off boris an become PM
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One down? This isn’t going to have any effect on Rishi whatsoever. I saw the piece about it on BBC News last night and the way they worded Sunak’s release of his text message correspondence would have you believe it was an act of transparency and altruism on his part and not the subject of a FOIA request that he had fulfilled with a selective release.

This will have no effect on anyone, there isn’t the appetite in the media to follow this through, Rishi will be Prime Minister within the next 18 months.
 
sun_tzu said:
Usually would imply this is based off a reasonable dataset

I'm not sure it is though

No doubt that happened with the last coalition but the other coalitions

Well we had the war time governments but that's not really comparable

I don't think the "coupon coalition" of 1918 is either

And that's pretty much the data set... so I'm not sure you can draw "usual" conclusions from it

There is a much stronger tradition of minority government than coalitions in the UK
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I was quoting a single data set its true, but it was the one in living memory and which has set the recent tone.

I agree minority governments with working relationships with one or more parties rather than formal coalitions have been the norm. Mrs. May's arrangement with the DUP for example.

However I still maintain that what will set the framework for going forward is the 'state of play' (around the world) after the pandemic. It could replicate a wartime situation, hopefully without the military aspect, but in lots of other areas as we are witnessing with the Vaccines, battles of wills, economic and social pressure will become the norm, inside each country, and even between 'friends'.

In such circumstances either a coalition is formed, or I suspect by then the Tories, (who may still be carrying a 20+ seat majority in Parliament) will have positioned themselves as the prime nationalist party in England and claim they are already a party of National Unity. Lets be honest at the moment nobody can touch them.

Things do change, so there is always hope, but the UK is going to need a whole lot of 'new breed' Members of Parliament, who do not lose touch with their supporters, who are not susceptible to 'pressure groups', who practice what they preach (not do as I say) I am in my 75th year and in my life thus far I have only known of a handful of (British) politicians who met this criteria and I think all but one are now passed on.

I wish future generations a better set of politicians than I 've known, but it will be their own fault if they don't get them, "we get the government we deserve" its a basic law of democracy.
 
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Berbasbullet said:
Was he the one that said “pwwweaaaase”?
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Yup the one where the poor girl said she was having bad mental health so he told her she wouldn't have if she also thought of the 'fun times' they could have together.

The Tories are just mortally bankrupt. Wonder if Labour will dare say anything on this.
 
Smores said:
Yup the one where the poor girl said she was having bad mental health so he told her she wouldn't have if she also thought of the 'fun times' they could have together.

The Tories are just mortally bankrupt. Wonder if Labour will dare say anything on this.
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Labour ain’t got the guts to say anything, something else that will get swept under the carpet as per.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
It really doesn't. See my earlier post about representation.
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I understand what you mean, but when you take the two major parties votes together this totally outstrips collectively the smaller party's votes, so in that sense 'first past the post', it works for the majority of voters.

TFPTP will never work for the smaller minority parties, but it does produce workable Governments.
 
As much of a Corbynista I am and as much as I want to see all these corrupt feckers burn, is any of this going to be properly investigated and acted upon, messing sackings and/or resignations?
 
Jericholyte2 said:
As much of a Corbynista I am and as much as I want to see all these corrupt feckers burn, is any of this going to be properly investigated and acted upon, messing sackings and/or resignations?
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no chance.
Hopefully Keir Starmer will say something that will keep it in the newscycle. But the Tories are shameless and unfortunately this story will be forgotten by the mid week (hopefully i'm wrong)


 
DavidDeSchmikes said:
no chance.
Hopefully Keir Starmer will say something that will keep it in the newscycle. But the Tories are shameless and unfortunately this story will be forgotten by the mid week (hopefully i'm wrong)


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The FT has had a Greensill front page story on Greensill every day for days now and the Times has written a lot on it. The story isn't going away, it's going to escalate if anything.

Will be amazing if it doesn't result in some review of lobbying laws at the very least. Hopefully should kill many of Cameron's lucrative earnings channels.
 
Surely the Tories wouldn't use Phillip's death as a convenient distraction to deflect criticism?

Democracy isn't dead, it just smells funny.
 
FireballXL5 said:
Surely the Tories wouldn't use Phillip's death as a convenient distraction to deflect criticism?

Democracy isn't dead, it just smells funny.
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Phillip has been dead for months, they’ve just been saving him for a moment like this.
 
FireballXL5 said:
Surely the Tories wouldn't use Phillip's death as a convenient distraction to deflect criticism?

Democracy isn't dead, it just smells funny.
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Maybe, but then again they haven't needed any distractions to deflect criticism recently. If by some miracle the media actually report a scandal, and if by some even bigger miracle they report it long enough for it to gain traction with the public, and if by some unbelievably nigh impossible miracle they ask the Tories for a comment about it on Newsnight or what not, they just get fobbed off and that's the end of the matter as far as they're concerned.
 
FireballXL5 said:
Surely the Tories wouldn't use Phillip's death as a convenient distraction to deflect criticism?

Democracy isn't dead, it just smells funny.
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This would make sense if the Tories gave a toss about the matter, but they absolutely don't. And as far as the general public goes, they don't care either.

Personally I think political corruption deserves some serious prison time, and if our laws don't produce that then we need new laws.
 
711 said:
This would make sense if the Tories gave a toss about the matter, but they absolutely don't. And as far as the general public goes, they don't care either.

Personally I think political corruption deserves some serious prison time, and if our laws don't produce that then we need new laws.
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Unfortunately, I very much doubt that even a tiny minority of the electorate know or will take the slightest bit of notice of this. They will be more interested in going to the shops tomorrow.
You get the government you deserve.
 


Good thing there's no other pressing business in the country going on right now.
 
I wonder if this were the US whether Cameron would be in actual trouble by now. I kind of think they're better at investigating this sort of thing, but I'm only remembering headlines, I might be wrong.
 
Until this country wakes up, these bastards will continue laughing all the way to the bank.
 
Must be nice living in a privileged bubble where you can waste an entire day repeating the same thing the person before you did about how inspirational a person was and how they personified everything great about Britain.
 
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Every Tory MP on repeat: “I can’t comment on an ongoing investigation”


3 months later...


’The investigation found that while conduct was questionable the ministerial code was not broken and we now consider the case to be closed”
 
Pexbo said:
Every Tory MP on repeat: “I can’t comment on an ongoing investigation”


3 months later...


’The investigation found that while conduct was questionable the ministerial code was not broken and we now consider the case to be closed”
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Yep. Standard practice from this corrupt government.

They'll drape a Union Jack though and wax lyrical about British values while defrauding the UK population so it is fine.
 
Pexbo said:
Every Tory MP on repeat: “I can’t comment on an ongoing investigation”


3 months later...


’The investigation found that while conduct was questionable the ministerial code was not broken and we now consider the case to be closed”
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'lessons will be learned'
 
So the independent inquiry is being lead by a government advisor?
 
Why is Cameron getting all the flak? People in government should be facing charges.
 
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