I'm not seeing the left shifting further left. As the Overton Window continues it's unabated decades long drift to the right I have found my political stance, if not in my City but in the UK in general, be considered to be further and further left. My politics have not significantly altered in that time.
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I don't think Labour would countenance that.
Lib Dem’s are just Tories who aren’t as disgusted by identity politics. They would much rather jump into bed with the Tories than with Labour.
Of course not. They'd lose out just as much as the Tories if not more.
Politically it's shifting right but on social issues i think it's still moving left at least within the progressive left. 'Woke' issues are just topics that haven't yet become accepted within normal discourse.
Personally i find myself a little out of step on some of the womens/trans issues raised these days. I've not shifted right poltiically but the left have mainstreamed those issues and for the good.
I'd say most form their world view in their early 20s so whilst woke issues hit the new generation fresh everyone else is having to change. Engagements is better than accusations there.
Absolutely.
I sincerely hope this happens.
That reminds me of a segment of The Tuesday Club podcast, where they have to guess who said certain quotes. My favourites so far have been “Gandhi or Guardiola” and “Hitler or Ferguson”
I think that certainly was the case but, with Scotland seemingly lost, I think Labour need reconsider what is actually achievable. Getting a majority in England does not seem achievable any time soon.
It would just be a one night stand to get PR through - surely they would go for that?
That is assuming they are not happy with the status quo.
Except Labour traditionally never wanted PR either. Are they going to accept it now?
See my response above to @CassiusClaymore . If Labour think they can get a majority in England and Wales, then I’d suggest they are deluded.
True but they are now irrelevant and there’s no immediate prospect of the 2010 coalition needing to be reformed. Under PR they could be a genuine third party.
The latest YouGov Times poll is showing the two major parties together accounting for 72% of the votes, there will never be any intention on either party's part to seek PR whilst this lasts. PR in the UK is a 'pipe dream'....minority parties are 'minorities' for a reason!!
They control absolutely everything.
Boris new Director of Comms.... Used to work with the DM.... that just about sums it all up.
Completely agree with you.
If Labour really want to become the next government, they are going to have to do it on their own merits.
Come up with policies which will capture the imagination of the electorate.
But you also have to have a leader with charisma. And that is a massive problem for Starmer. Complete lack of charisma.
charity starts at home tbh.
Who knows what other interests they may have outside the party.
That should be considered too. Especially in light of the recent Cameron and and Hancock stories, although I appreciate they are not LD's.
It's got to the point now where I watched the news last night and they leaf with Boris opening lobbying enquiries and I thought to myself, so what is it you're trying hide this time Boris?
Rupert Murdoch as been lobbying for years. Where is the outrage.
My turn to agree with you.
For me Starmer lacks any sort of zeal, when he is caught out being 'angry'; by that I mean when he's looking lost or perplexed, we have to assume that it is 'anger' demonstrated in his style, but whatever he just accepts the problem. Starmer does not seem to have any real base within the party and that is fatal position for a Labour Party Leader, for internally he then becomes 'the opposite' to, rather than the 'alternative to'...!
Labour has roamed so far from its traditional roots we are now (seriously) facing the prospect of a Conservative MP for Hartlepool?
The fact that Labour's new heartland appears to be London is almost beyond belief, if the Tories ever get anywhere near fulfilling Boris's promise to 'level up' Labour is doomed and will consigned to the history books!
The Tories must be getting some funding behind Shawn Bailey's London mayoral campaign. We got personalised flyers through today, 95% of which was just bashing Sadie Khan predictably.
Sounds like the Every Party Except SNP strategy every election. Every flier is just references to why we can't let Sturgeon win. As far as party policies go they don't day much.
Be a bit weird if they were praising him.
not seen anything from any candidates.
given the lack of travel, and thus exposure to advertising, I expect there to be a really low turnout. I’m not sure who that would favour, probably Khan, as the other Candidates won’t have any name recognition.
Khan has been universally terrible, but I expect him to be re-elected.
Reminiscent of the Tories in 2019 GE.
What improvements do you think Shaun Bailey will bring?
I’ve not said he would bring any improvements.
What other candidates are there? I’ve no idea what policies he has, as I’ve said I’ve seen zero campaigning from anyone thus far.
When it comes to the London Mayor, I’ve no interest in what political affiliation the candidates have.
it’s interesting, in the GE, there’s not a chance I would have wanted Labour in power, but our local MP is labour, and very good, so I wanted her to keep her seat. I’d prefer London to have as much distance from central government as possible, but Khan cannot be trusted.
The autocorrect on my workphone is a fecking nightmare.EDIT: I wasn't expecting them to not bash, but to maybe elaborate on their own policies a bit rather than just slag off Khan.
Khan tries to keep tube and bus charges down at least- they went up a lot under Johnson. Not sure on cycle lanes tbh- some are ok, others very poorly thought out.
I don't really know that much about what he has or hasn't done tbh.
Bailey is a fecking idiot with his homeless folk should save £5k for a deposit comments.
No idea about the other candidates.
One of the big issues with Khan is trust as he was voted in on a promise not to increase travel charges, and then did…
the congestion charge and expansion of ULEZ are somewhat controversial, and adversely (will) affects poorer families. When he inevitably expands that further again, we will be paying £10-12 a day for older cars across most of London.
I’ll have to have a look at the other candidates, but I doubt any parties are interested in seriously challenging him.
It seemed more the government forcing an above inflation fare rise for the bailout.
www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/tube-bus-fare-london-public-transport-b336450.html%3famp
The government's screwing over London should stop anyone voting for Bailey- eg tube fares, Johnson breaking yet more promises by not voting against third Heathrow runway, Hammersmith Bridge etc...
I haven't had a car for ages so not affected by congestion charge or ULEZ tbh.