Westminster Politics

Sweet Square said:
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How can the Tories be so wrong on so much? I just started paying attention to this thread a couple of days ago, as a Yank, I’ve kept British politics in limited view, but these feckers seem even more tone deaf than our current right wing scum.

These mensas have to have kids in school, yes? Some of them also have to be in the lower socioeconomic classes, yes?

It’s just utterly baffling.
 
calodo2003 said:
Some of them also have to be in the lower socioeconomic classes, yes?
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No.

The tories are the party of aspirational selfishnesh. The support they do have from the working classes is based on the idea that poor people can also be rich if they work hard enough. The last election was a once off as traditional Labour voters in the north were in favour of Brexit and Labour's position was too hard to understand. But it's by selling the image of rags to riches via hard work that the tories manage to prompt people from lower socioeconomic backgrounds to question the role of the state which they themselves very much depend on.
 
neverdie said:
No.

The tories are the party of aspirational selfishnesh. The support they do have from the working classes is based on the idea that poor people can also be rich if they work hard enough. The last election was a once off as traditional Labour voters in the north were in favour of Brexit and Labour's position was too hard to understand. But it's by selling the image of rags to riches via hard work that the tories manage to prompt people from lower socioeconomic backgrounds to question the role of the state which they themselves very much depend on.
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That’s similar to what we heard today from the nepotistic prince of our Tories - Kushner said that our biggest minority group in the country needs to ‘stop complaining’ & just want to have success more to actually succeed.
 
calodo2003 said:
How can the Tories be so wrong on so much? I just started paying attention to this thread a couple of days ago, as a Yank, I’ve kept British politics in limited view, but these feckers seem even more tone deaf than our current right wing scum.

These mensas have to have kids in school, yes? Some of them also have to be in the lower socioeconomic classes, yes?

It’s just utterly baffling.
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Tory voters skew to older demographics so likely the majority of them don't have school-age kids. The big story of the last 10 years in the UK has been an older generation who benefitted hugely from a strong economy built on immigration and strong ties with Europe, the welfare state, social housing, free education and healthcare repeatedly throwing their weight behind for a Tory party hell-bent on dismantling the whole lot.
 
Pexbo said:
I fecking knew this would be the case when Hancock said it this morning. You could tell by the way he answered the question that he was lying and they didn’t follow it up at all. They really should have asked “what communication? who with and what was being discussed?”
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You seem to have Britain confused with a country that has journalists with any interest in holding power to account.
 
It's an obvious tactical direction and the trans-Atlantic gestalt right have been manoeuvring this way for quite a while. The Nazis are left, the left are the antisemites, the left are intolerant and unreasonable, Antifa are a violent revolutionary force, the left are the real racists.
It'll also, to an extent, work. It already is.
Expect editorials in their press on the racist left soon enough.
 
Awwwww diddums, are the thieving, Dickensian caricatures of humans a little bit sad about being called scum? maybe they could set up another bullshit company and steal another few million from the public purse to help them feel better. Utter cnuts.

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ThierryHenry said:
The Rishi attack ad is abysmal.

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Yeah agreed it just doesn't work. The plebs love that the Tories are rich, they're drawn to being ruled by wealth. That ad just makes Sunak more appealing.

I'm not even sure why you'd attack Sunak given the state of the rest of them.
 
Smores said:
Yeah agreed it just doesn't work. The plebs love that the Tories are rich, they're drawn to being ruled by wealth. That ad just makes Sunak more appealing.

I'm not even sure why you'd attack Sunak given the state of the rest of them.
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One of the weird things about the current crisis is Sunak is probably one of the key reasons for the lack of financial support for the north, encouraging people to go back to work in September, the removal of furlough support, the lack of funds to feed children, etc

And yet is somehow continuing to stay incredibly popular.

(Oh, and all these dodgy contracts. It's treasury money at the end of the day)
 
ThierryHenry said:
The Rishi attack ad is abysmal.

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They hand billions of taxpayer's poubds to companies that donate campaign money to them, and use dirty tactics against their opponents, and THIS is the best thing they could come up with for an ad? It's mental.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
They hand billions of taxpayer's poubds to companies that donate campaign money to them, and use dirty tactics against their opponents, and THIS is the best thing they could come up with for an ad? It's mental.
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It's absolutely embarrassing. Literally pathetic.
 
There is something fundamentally wrong with a government who is perfectly happy with and boasts about spending some £400m + of public money on the much vaunted Eat Out To Help (the spread of covid) Out, and yet is finding numerous reasons why they should not spend a tiny fraction on extending the free school meals for children.
I mean. Where is the logic?
 
Untied said:
One of the weird things about the current crisis is Sunak is probably one of the key reasons for the lack of financial support for the north, encouraging people to go back to work in September, the removal of furlough support, the lack of funds to feed children, etc

And yet is somehow continuing to stay incredibly popular.

(Oh, and all these dodgy contracts. It's treasury money at the end of the day)
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Yeah all very true i just don't think many see him as the one making many of those decisions given the last one had to stand down due to interference. The cabinet are just pawns in this government.

He has done well to avoid the cameras at times of negativity and engage with it for the good stuff.
 
Fingeredmouse said:
It's an obvious tactical direction and the trans-Atlantic gestalt right have been manoeuvring this way for quite a while. The Nazis are left, the left are the antisemites, the left are intolerant and unreasonable, Antifa are a violent revolutionary force, the left are the real racists.
It'll also, to an extent, work. It already is.
Expect editorials in their press on the racist left soon enough.
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This is true except I think it goes beyond right wing insurgency. The UK is realigning itself along US lines and you'll see the media being all too happy to play the role of an imagined monolithic "left".
 
esmufc07 said:
Hope Rishi is able to overcome such a devastating attack.
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I did say some time ago when Rishi was being lauded for spraying money around like there was no tomorrow that it was easy to chuck money around in a national emergency.
He should be judged on his handling of the economy when things stabilise.
Particularly after Brexit has damaged a weakened economy.
 
Pexbo said:
Are you ready for the stories about Boris pressuring this to be dropped?
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I'm looking forward to the front page of the BBC News site.

"Famous Person Dies"

"I liked Them - Famous People Tweet About Dead Famous Person"

"Keir Starmer is a Bastard Man"

"What your choice of Ketchup says about the size of your willy."
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I'm looking forward to the front page of the BBC News site.

"Famous Person Dies"

"I liked Them - Famous People Tweet About Dead Famous Person"

"Keir Starmer is a Bastard Man"

"What your choice of Ketchup says about the size of your willy."
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:lol:

Funny because it is close to the bone. :lol:
 
Not really been commenting on domestic politics for a while. Just want to say that it's incredible how incompetent this government is. Can't even declare a lockdown properly.
 
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