Westminster Politics

I do wonder if older voters are more susceptible to believing/being influenced by, sometimes inaccurate, digital marketing ads on social media etc. Which has been a prominent part of Tory (and vote leave) campaign strategy.

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@DavidDeSchmikes The article you shared certainly backs up my point to some degree.

"The King’s College research said that while government policy had focused on social media as a source for disinformation, much of it was being “spread by domestic political actors” and news outlets."
Definitely, it’s like a bizarre phenomenon. Old people that would interrogate the truth out of a verbal statement with the ferocity of a seasoned detective sargent just seem to swallow any old bullshit if it’s delivered in meme-form
 
Definitely, it’s like a bizarre phenomenon. Old people that would interrogate the truth out of a verbal statement with the ferocity of a seasoned detective sargent just seem to swallow any old bullshit if it’s delivered in meme-form
I guess they have been raised in an era when there was some level of press/media accountability and integrity. Whereas now anyone can say anything online seemingly without consequences.
 
I guess they have been raised in an era when there was some level of press/media accountability and integrity. Whereas now anyone can say anything online seemingly without consequences.
Yes, the idea that, ‘it must be true or it would have been denounced as bullshit already and wouldn’t have made it to my attention’. And who the feck can blame them for adopting that position, entirely reasonable as it is. No wonder you hear the phrase “things were better in my day”. I can feel myself wanting to adopt it myself in this shithole of a world we live in
 
To analyse some charts that do not make sense based on nothing scientific? :confused:

The article as a whole, as opposed to the charts, which tbh I wasn't that interested in.

It fits in with my own experiences (which admittedly can only ever be anecdotal) about the thought processes of many of the people who did vote for brexit.
 


Good thread. Carole is a bit fecking tired of this incestuous Westminster-Journalist arrangement and Peston I taking the brunt of it.
 


The over 65's are just something else.

To be fair, most over 65s probably haven't a real conception of what working from home looks like. They probably just thought this would encourage a return to normality. And, of course, age correlates with the other factors in the survey such as voting Tory and Brexit.

I think the headline is a tad unfair.
 
To which the correct response is “100 pounds? That’s about what your house cost right?”

Ha. Workers are being encouraged to return to offices to spend their money on shit they don’t need, like expensive coffees and lunches. But also, it’s their fault they can’t afford to buy a house, as they waste all their money on shit they don’t need.
 
They're really pushing this return to the offices thing aren't they? It's almost as if the commercial landlords and tax dodging sandwich business owners are starting to get panicky that the free market might decide they are obsolete.
 
My season ticket is the best part of £10k and 4 hours of my day were spent commuting. Add the lunches and inevitable causal after work drinks and I’m saving a fortune, my diet is better, I drink less and I’m getting several hours of my life back, which has improved my mental health - all whilst there is no detriment to the work my team produces.

The idea of going back to ‘normal’ to keep Pret’s profit margins high sounds batshit insane and although some people like it in an office, I don’t see many being tempted if they have any choice.
 
They're really pushing this return to the offices thing aren't they? It's almost as if the commercial landlords and tax dodging sandwich business owners are starting to get panicky that the free market might decide they are obsolete.
The other day on 5Live they were talking about private renters being unable to pay their rent arrears and someone came on saying that if the government supported those who couldn't pay it would be bad for landlords and signal the end of the private rental market. I was struggling to think of anything negative that would come from that.
 
Surprise, surprise, a government of Brexiteer fanatics sees only opportunities for themselves and their mates from the pandemic. Absolutely bereft of any vision to rebuild the economy other than stupid slogans. All the big employers have already indicated they are not planning reopening their offices fully any time soon, but the geniuses from vote leave reckon all that is missing is another fact free campaign.

Tough for town centres, but I cannot really see people going back to the same old patterns of work again. A competent government, never mind a radical one, would be figuring out how to support the town centres adapt.
 
My season ticket is the best part of £10k and 4 hours of my day were spent commuting. Add the lunches and inevitable causal after work drinks and I’m saving a fortune, my diet is better, I drink less and I’m getting several hours of my life back, which has improved my mental health - all whilst there is no detriment to the work my team produces.

The idea of going back to ‘normal’ to keep Pret’s profit margins high sounds batshit insane and although some people like it in an office, I don’t see many being tempted if they have any choice.
Put simply if that's true then any sensible company is going to put their own interests first and look to downsize City centre offices as they are expensive

If companies actually see more value in having people in the same buildings then they are going to do that but prets profit margins as you put it isn't going to enter that equation
 
Put simply if that's true then any sensible company is going to put their own interests first and look to downsize City centre offices as they are expensive

If companies actually see more value in having people in the same buildings then they are going to do that but prets profit margins as you put it isn't going to enter that equation

The issue is going to be, when companies realise that they can get just as much productivity by off-shoring work from home jobs to India/China/Malaysia for a fraction of the cost.
 
Surprise, surprise, a government of Brexiteer fanatics sees only opportunities for themselves and their mates from the pandemic. Absolutely bereft of any vision to rebuild the economy other than stupid slogans. All the big employers have already indicated they are not planning reopening their offices fully any time soon, but the geniuses from vote leave reckon all that is missing is another fact free campaign.

Tough for town centres, but I cannot really see people going back to the same old patterns of work again. A competent government, never mind a radical one, would be figuring out how to support the town centres adapt.

I went into the office to grab an extra monitor a few weeks ago and the center of Sydney was a ghost town. Many cafe's and fast food joints haven't bothered opening because the business isn't there. Some pubs opened and have closed again due to a lack of business.
 
The issue is going to be, when companies realise that they can get just as much productivity by off-shoring work from home jobs to India/China/Malaysia for a fraction of the cost.
If they could offshore, they would have already. Not sure Covid is a catalyst for offshoring; those operations that could be offshore have probably already moved.
 
If they could offshore, they would have already. Not sure Covid is a catalyst for offshoring; those operations that could be offshore have probably already moved.

Surely the same argument applies to masses of the workforce working from home?

I do a job that can't be done from home so can't comment personally. My friends who are are a bit more split than the opinion on here but here it seems that peoples' lives are much better, seemingly with no drop in quality or quantity of work done whatsoever.

But pre pandemic, this wasn't happening at this scale and there were no serious calls to essentially change how vast tracts of the workforce work.
 
Surely the same argument applies to masses of the workforce working from home?

I do a job that can't be done from home so can't comment personally. My friends who are are a bit more split than the opinion on here but here it seems that peoples' lives are much better, seemingly with no drop in quality or quantity of work done whatsoever.

But pre pandemic, this wasn't happening at this scale and there were no serious calls to essentially change how vast tracts of the workforce work.
I would argue my productivity has been higher these last few months, if only because I save the equivalent of a whole day's work from not commuting. But it isn't perfect and there are projects we are parking because we cannot do them remotely. We have also had to work pretty hard trying to maintain the social aspect of work and help with mental health. People are participating in stuff they would ordinarily not, like wellbeing sessions and mindful hours.
So, I think we cannot maintain this level of productivity long-term; we shall have to go back. I just don't think we will work in the office quite as much as before, now that we have seen how much we can do remotely. Hence, the need for offices will be much reduced eventually.

I think Offshoring certain operations is not quite as easy as having remote working. For one, there are gains in being proximate to hubs of companies up and down the value chain that support your operations. Similarly, being near innovative hubs is beneficial: there is a reason why a bunch of tech companies have sprung up near Cambridge, in the so-called Silicon Fen. Whilst the big companies can perhaps set up their own hubs, small and medium size companies (which are the majority) are dependent on others to form a hub.
 
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The best thing about this is that just over three years ago Robbie Gibb was the Head of Political Programming at the BBC. So in the same breath as saying that the BBC has a woke agenda, they are admitting that its most senior news and politics roles are filled by 'Top Tories'.

Which just goes to show that the right will never be satisfied. BBC journalists could literally be sinking the boats of the migrants they chase in the channel all whilst blaring Rule Brittania over a loudspeaker, and the Daily Mail would still criticise them.
 
I cant even blame them. The voters gave them license.
Just as long as we get Brexit... I can't even be arsed finishing it. I'm done. Let's just leave the EU and move on to the next ten years of austerity, where the Tories pit everyone against each other except the elites.
 
So I see that Boris wants all MP's back in Parliament so as to set an example to encourage people back to work.
He needs to remember that he does not employ workers. Their companies do and they understand that there is no pressing reason for them to do that.
Yet more illogical idiotic irresponsible policies made on the hoof.

The only reason he wants his MP's back in the commons is because he wants their support as a result of Keir Starmer making him look like an idiot during PMQs.
 
So I see that Boris wants all MP's back in Parliament so as to set an example to encourage people back to work.
He needs to remember that he does not employ workers. Their companies do and they understand that there is no pressing reason for them to do that.
Yet more illogical idiotic irresponsible policies made on the hoof.

The only reason he wants his MP's back in the commons is because he wants their support as a result of Keir Starmer making him look like an idiot during PMQs.
Yep, and don’t forget it’s our responsibility to save the sandwich shops!
 
I can't wait for all the new hilarious right-wing shows that must be in the pipeline. Hitler's Half Hour? The Two Rommels? Laurel and Heydrich?

The BBC has become a really bad joke in itself.
 
So I see that Boris wants all MP's back in Parliament so as to set an example to encourage people back to work.
He needs to remember that he does not employ workers. Their companies do and they understand that there is no pressing reason for them to do that.
Yet more illogical idiotic irresponsible policies made on the hoof.

The only reason he wants his MP's back in the commons is because he wants their support as a result of Keir Starmer making him look like an idiot during PMQs.
Typical bully. Needs his cronies behind him cheering him on, even when he doesn't make sense.