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It’s depressing that despite all of Carole’s continued amazing journalism, it ultimately means absolutely nothing as nobody else in the media has any appetite to bring any of this and the implications of it to light for the population that doesn’t read the left wing media or follow it on Twitter.
 
Kentonio said:
Priti Patel apparently told a load of Tory MPs on a call that the migrants are coming because they think France is racist and they might be tortured. One MP is reported as saying “She was calling them racist and she is right. They are more racist than us,”.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-believe-france-racist?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

The fecking brass neck of these cnuts. The UK is considerably more racist than France.
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Bit of a sweeping generalisation. The UK has over 65m people. France slightly less.
Do you speak on behalf of all of them?
 
Buster15 said:
Bit of a sweeping generalisation. The UK has over 65m people. France slightly less.
Do you speak on behalf of all of them?
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Nope, just speaking from my experiences of the two countries, and the experience of my half Indian girlfriend and her family, including her Mauritian father who arrived in France as an illegal many years ago, and whose brothers lived in other countries such as the UK and Ireland.

My take on it (and yes anecdotal evidence is always a poor source) is that France with its much higher racial diversity is a much less racist country than the UK, whereas the UK is a much less sexist country than France. The racial thing actually makes a lot of sense when you consider how very, very white the UK is. In my ex-mining town, I think we had something like 1 black person and one Asian in my entire school year, and I don’t really remember many more in the other years. Racism was absolutely rife, and isn’t that much different today. Seeing someone of colour in my home village is still extremely unusual.

Maybe it’s different in other parts of the UK, and especially the cities, but anyone trying to claim the UK is some bastion of anti-racism is going to get rolling eyes from me.
 
Pexbo said:
It’s depressing that despite all of Carole’s continued amazing journalism, it ultimately means absolutely nothing as nobody else in the media has any appetite to bring any of this and the implications of it to light for the population that doesn’t read the left wing media or follow it on Twitter.
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I agree, the media reporting has been disgraceful. She has riled Banks and Wigmore because they know she is onto them.
 
Kentonio said:
Nope, just speaking from my experiences of the two countries, and the experience of my half Indian girlfriend and her family, including her Mauritian father who arrived in France as an illegal many years ago, and whose brothers lived in other countries such as the UK and Ireland.

My take on it (and yes anecdotal evidence is always a poor source) is that France with its much higher racial diversity is a much less racist country than the UK, whereas the UK is a much less sexist country than France. The racial thing actually makes a lot of sense when you consider how very, very white the UK is. In my ex-mining town, I think we had something like 1 black person and one Asian in my entire school year, and I don’t really remember many more in the other years. Racism was absolutely rife, and isn’t that much different today. Seeing someone of colour in my home village is still extremely unusual.

Maybe it’s different in other parts of the UK, and especially the cities, but anyone trying to claim the UK is some bastion of anti-racism is going to get rolling eyes from me.
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Is the French countryside really diverse? I had the idea the bulk of its ethnic minority population lives in urban areas, same as in England.
My Mauritian wife has found France more racist, as another anecdote.
I'm sure neither are particularly welcoming if you're a refugee.
 
Jippy said:
Is the French countryside really diverse? I had the idea the bulk of its ethnic minority population lives in urban areas, same as in England.
My Mauritian wife has found France more racist, as another anecdote.
I'm sure neither are particularly welcoming if you're a refugee.
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It seems more diverse, although apparently it wasn’t when he originally came as an immigrant. Her family are from the south though, so it might be more diverse as a result of being much closer to the Med. I live in Lyon and that’s pretty diverse, but I don’t know much about the north.
 
Pexbo said:
It’s depressing that despite all of Carole’s continued amazing journalism, it ultimately means absolutely nothing as nobody else in the media has any appetite to bring any of this and the implications of it to light for the population that doesn’t read the left wing media or follow it on Twitter.
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Indeed, there seems to be a small group of journalists willing to go it relatively alone and stand up to these people. They shouldn't have to though and i really question why the BBC in particular aren't stronger in it.
 
Maybe because the British government is balls deep into all this as much as the Americans? Just look at all the familiar names that keep cropping up.
 
Kentonio said:
Nope, just speaking from my experiences of the two countries, and the experience of my half Indian girlfriend and her family, including her Mauritian father who arrived in France as an illegal many years ago, and whose brothers lived in other countries such as the UK and Ireland.

My take on it (and yes anecdotal evidence is always a poor source) is that France with its much higher racial diversity is a much less racist country than the UK, whereas the UK is a much less sexist country than France. The racial thing actually makes a lot of sense when you consider how very, very white the UK is. In my ex-mining town, I think we had something like 1 black person and one Asian in my entire school year, and I don’t really remember many more in the other years. Racism was absolutely rife, and isn’t that much different today. Seeing someone of colour in my home village is still extremely unusual.

Maybe it’s different in other parts of the UK, and especially the cities, but anyone trying to claim the UK is some bastion of anti-racism is going to get rolling eyes from me.
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Thank is a very fair point.
 
Just a random thought.

Wonder if all these no doubt working class Tory voters who believe it’s a ‘plandemic’ or that masks are useless will vote them out considering they’d have to be complicit in the lie or at best still be inept? Or maybe their thinking doesn’t stretch that far?
 
VeevaVee said:
Just a random thought.

Wonder if all these no doubt working class Tory voters who believe it’s a ‘plandemic’ or that masks are useless will vote them out considering they’d have to be complicit in the lie or at best still be inept? Or maybe their thinking doesn’t stretch that far?
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Probably find a way to blame it on Corbyn or immigrants.
 
I read a tweet by Musa Okwonga which I thought summed up the recent dodgy contracts and cronyism perfectly. His premise was that this government was elected to "sort out" Brexit and be tougher on immigration. As long as they get that done, their voters would see the Tories enriching themselves and their mates as an acceptable price to pay.

The more stories that are coming out, and the subsequent lack of any real outrage from the general public, the more I think he's got it spot on. It's depressing how few people seem to care about holding this government to account.
 
TheGame said:
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It is becoming very apparent that Tory coffers are topped up with Russian money.

Adding Lebedev, son of an ex KGB officer, to the house of lords was yet another massive red flag.

Imagine the outcry if Corbyn had done that. The double standards are ridiculous.
 
Mogget said:
I read a tweet by Musa Okwonga which I thought summed up the recent dodgy contracts and cronyism perfectly. His premise was that this government was elected to "sort out" Brexit and be tougher on immigration. As long as they get that done, their voters would see the Tories enriching themselves and their mates as an acceptable price to pay.

The more stories that are coming out, and the subsequent lack of any real outrage from the general public, the more I think he's got it spot on. It's depressing how few people seem to care about holding this government to account.
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The outrage is there, but because of the 24 hour news cycle and the government being unapologetic about it, the outrage disappears until another story comes along, then we get outraged briefly, and so on
(see Jenrick/Desmond story, Williamson etc.)
 
DavidDeSchmikes said:
The outrage is there, but because of the 24 hour news cycle and the government being unapologetic about it, the outrage disappears until another story comes along, then we get outraged briefly, and so on
(see Jenrick/Desmond story, Williamson etc.)
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The stench of sleaze and incompetence is becoming characteristic. You would think at some point it will become too much even for the non political public.
 
Mogget said:
I read a tweet by Musa Okwonga which I thought summed up the recent dodgy contracts and cronyism perfectly. His premise was that this government was elected to "sort out" Brexit and be tougher on immigration. As long as they get that done, their voters would see the Tories enriching themselves and their mates as an acceptable price to pay.

The more stories that are coming out, and the subsequent lack of any real outrage from the general public, the more I think he's got it spot on. It's depressing how few people seem to care about holding this government to account.
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I'd disagree with that as i don't think it's such an obvious exchange. The 'typical' Tory/Republican voter doesn't trust politicians anyway they see them all as corrupt and all the same. Cronyism is priced into the political classes so it's fine. It's why Trump gets away with so much shit.

It's also why Labours moralistic approach fails to cut through because these people don't trust or believe it. I've seen that before when I've helped canvass. I assume it's a reflection of their own morals but I'm not a psychologist.

If you want people to get mad at this stuff you sell the moralistic argument to the left and competency/wastefulness argument to the right.
 
Buster15 said:
There is one thing in common with 2017 and 2019. Older voters had no confidence in the Labour Party and its leader.
Either that or the older voters are far more gullible.
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Or they have different economic interests with a different social experience that makes them alienated to a left wing Labour party.
 
Buster15 said:
There is one thing in common with 2017 and 2019. Older voters had no confidence in the Labour Party and its leader.
Either that or the older voters are far more gullible.
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It's quite obviously a Brexit impact. It really couldn't be any more evident, 64% of 65+ age group voted for Brexit and when they did polls last year those supporting were even higher. That demographic were only ever going to vote one way in those elections.

With the next election being post brexit 'delivery' you'd hope they'll become open to voting for whichever party they think is best again. That said they might stick as a reward or become even more bitter when Brexit doesn't make it like the 'old days'.

Climate change should be the next big issue and all age groups poll as caring about it. Whether that translates to funding policies to deal with it or not who knows but I'm hoping Labour wins ground there.
 
Pexbo said:
It’s depressing that despite all of Carole’s continued amazing journalism, it ultimately means absolutely nothing as nobody else in the media has any appetite to bring any of this and the implications of it to light for the population that doesn’t read the left wing media or follow it on Twitter.
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Pexbo said:
It’s depressing that despite all of Carole’s continued amazing journalism, it ultimately means absolutely nothing as nobody else in the media has any appetite to bring any of this and the implications of it to light for the population that doesn’t read the left wing media or follow it on Twitter.
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Buster15 said:
There is one thing in common with 2017 and 2019. Older voters had no confidence in the Labour Party and its leader.
Either that or the older voters are far more gullible.
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I do wonder if older voters are more susceptible to believing/being influenced by, sometimes inaccurate, digital marketing ads on social media etc. Which has been a prominent part of Tory (and vote leave) campaign strategy.

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@DavidDeSchmikes The article you shared certainly backs up my point to some degree.

"The King’s College research said that while government policy had focused on social media as a source for disinformation, much of it was being “spread by domestic political actors” and news outlets."
 
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