True, but even a brazen and archaic Brexit is still within the realms of politics, even if it's not everyday politics. What I'm worried about is Cummings being some kind of malign techno-eugenicist (in a manner of speaking), with a philosophy which is beyond mere politics.
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It's a special gift that these politicians have. Deny and deflect. What's that old phrase?
Found it, the narcissist's prayer.
How many times have we seen this happen in the last ten years? Or the last few decades at least.
Maitlis is a thing of genuine beauty.
The entire segment is 20 mins long (watch via iPlayer) and is brilliant investigative TV journalism).
The entire segment is 20 mins long (watch via iPlayer) and is brilliant investigative TV journalism).
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Not outraged enough to vote the cnuts out of office months later, and worse, voted out the one MP in the whole House who consistently stood for the residents...
Forensic analysis into Cummings statement. Brutal.
Does this thick MP realise her own colleagues have asked for him to resign:
To be fair, we've all seen the real push coming from the well known left wing media outlets like the Daily Mail.
The fact that he went back and edited his year-old blog post to help bolster his story tells me that he's lying and that his story was carefully constructed.
Now what we need is some real journalism and them not letting go of the story...therefore I fully expect this to blow over and he'll be fine.
Now what we need is some real journalism and them not letting go of the story...therefore I fully expect this to blow over and he'll be fine.
Some incredible numbers there. I was on a construction site yesterday and Cummings was very much on everyone's lips. People weren't angrily talking about politics they were just making jokes at his expense, but it did highlight just how much cut through this has had. This isn't just a story for politics watchers any more its something everyone is talking about.
He's in for a ride here because journos don't have anything else to do really. I'm sure they are all bored shitless of doing PPE stories so a juicy one like this with lots of investigating possibilities is like manna from heaven. It's not like a Kardashian is doing anything that will knock him off the front pages...nobody is doing anything that will create a big enough media scramble like this to divert interest.
He's going to get caught in a lie very soon and it will start up again.
He's going to get caught in a lie very soon and it will start up again.
On the nobody getting sick part, he did definitely sprint out of no.10 that Friday afternoon, the papers caught it.
Do you think that was part of an elaborate plan?
Do you think bojo knew about the elaborate plan?
I genuinely believe his wife was sick and he subsequently got sick, but so did thousands of others and they stayed put.
I don’t think there’s a point where he’ll go. If there was a tipping point then surely we’ve passed it already.
Although he's a cnut.
More than anything I think this whole episode is indicative of just how arrogant, unapologetic and downright dim these people are. If this doesn’t bring them down, I can say with absolute confidence that it will not be long until something else does.
They’ve used all their good will up on something completely ridiculous and avoidable. Whatever mistake they make next there is going to be journalists on both sides of the aisle baying for blood.
They’ve used all their good will up on something completely ridiculous and avoidable. Whatever mistake they make next there is going to be journalists on both sides of the aisle baying for blood.
Instead of tits and football, it must be serious!
Actually think this is the most damaging front page of the lot.
Thread that basically shows all the stories hypocrisy for what it is.
There's a comment in that thread that makes me worry because with this lot you know they'll do it. If he does get the sack Cummings will just continue to work for Boris, but it'll be with even less transparency and money under the table with inflated "consultant fees".
Cummings isn't going anywhere, not with Brexit on the horizon.
He might, and the next day a Scottish consultant called Dominic Cuming will be flown in with a wig and fake moustache.
Boris must be worried.
He has postponed his grilling scheduled for this pm so he can - wait for it...deliver Brexit.
Don't you just love his contempt.
He has postponed his grilling scheduled for this pm so he can - wait for it...deliver Brexit.
Don't you just love his contempt.
It's like you said earlier, they might publicly 'sack' him, but he'll still be there in the shadows. I'd love to know the dirt they all have on each other.
I can't believe you'd work for that lot, chief.
*tuts*
They sent someone who broke the lockdown rules to defend someone who broke the lockdown rules.
Money's money. They're already fast tracking my "Organ Selling" policy. All donators get 20% of the profits when we sell them - 5% if they struggle. Pretty sure people don't need both of their hearts, but I'm not much of a scientist so I never really bothered with the technical stuff when writing the proposal.
They're so dim that they'd probably give you a multi-million-pound contract for that work. I wish I was joking.Guardian reader's comment:
'Might I make a suggestion about the "eye-test" thing?
I think Cummings knew perfectly well that the excuse would not fly. And I think it was deliberate.
For years, I've been working in and with China, and dealing with the Chinese government. Understanding Chinese government propaganda has always been a key part of that.
This isn't something they do so much any more, but in the 80s and 90s, the Chinese government would lie in a way that was easily spotted and easily caught out. This was deliberate. It was aimed at two things:
First, it can expose disloyal people. People who are not loyal supporters of the status quo may say they don't believe it.
Second, and more importantly, given that people in 80s and 90s China knew it wasn't a great idea to challenge the government, it is a power play. The government is saying, "I am telling you what is true. You might know that it is not true. You might see and hear the opposite. You might know the opposite. This does not matter. We define what is true, not you. We are so powerful that we can say whatever we want, and it becomes the truth."
It's something that I've suspected is part of the White House's strategy for a while.
I think this is why Cummings came up with such transparent nonsense about testing his eyes. In fact, I think it's a significant part of the whole press conference. What he said in the press conference was, essentially, "Hey, media and populace. I do not give a f--- what you think. I am in control, and I'm now going to lie, and you have to accept it. This is my country, and these are my truths."
It was a bit of a gamble in the current environment. It will be interesting to see whether it works out for him. I hope it doesn't. But if he stays in power through this, historians in other countries will look back on this moment and see it as a major step in Cummings taking control. (Historians in Britain will, of course, say whatever Cummings tells them to say, or they will be shot.)
This move will either destroy him or immeasurably strengthen him. I'm hoping for the former, but I fear the latter.'
'Might I make a suggestion about the "eye-test" thing?
I think Cummings knew perfectly well that the excuse would not fly. And I think it was deliberate.
For years, I've been working in and with China, and dealing with the Chinese government. Understanding Chinese government propaganda has always been a key part of that.
This isn't something they do so much any more, but in the 80s and 90s, the Chinese government would lie in a way that was easily spotted and easily caught out. This was deliberate. It was aimed at two things:
First, it can expose disloyal people. People who are not loyal supporters of the status quo may say they don't believe it.
Second, and more importantly, given that people in 80s and 90s China knew it wasn't a great idea to challenge the government, it is a power play. The government is saying, "I am telling you what is true. You might know that it is not true. You might see and hear the opposite. You might know the opposite. This does not matter. We define what is true, not you. We are so powerful that we can say whatever we want, and it becomes the truth."
It's something that I've suspected is part of the White House's strategy for a while.
I think this is why Cummings came up with such transparent nonsense about testing his eyes. In fact, I think it's a significant part of the whole press conference. What he said in the press conference was, essentially, "Hey, media and populace. I do not give a f--- what you think. I am in control, and I'm now going to lie, and you have to accept it. This is my country, and these are my truths."
It was a bit of a gamble in the current environment. It will be interesting to see whether it works out for him. I hope it doesn't. But if he stays in power through this, historians in other countries will look back on this moment and see it as a major step in Cummings taking control. (Historians in Britain will, of course, say whatever Cummings tells them to say, or they will be shot.)
This move will either destroy him or immeasurably strengthen him. I'm hoping for the former, but I fear the latter.'
Is this post satire? I can’t tell if I’m supposed to take it seriously.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...eek-childcare-like-cummings-did-says-minister
I see. I suspect how much of the outrage from this is sustained will be dependant upon what Durham police find.
I see. I suspect how much of the outrage from this is sustained will be dependant upon what Durham police find.
It is unfortunately the only way to rule, that is if you want to get things done.
The Chinese in particular have proved this time and time again. We may not have a dictatorship system of power but when you give a government, any government, a stonking majority of 80 seats, it can and will do pretty much what it wants, unless there is a 'palace coup' which some Tories have attempted on this issue.
Starmer is very wise to take a back seat on this, he knows his party and its former leadership have a lot to answer for in giving the present government its massive majority, for driving millions of loyal Labour voters into the arms of Boris. Dominic Cummings is hated by many Tories and they will use this sort of thing to undermine him. The only problem for these modern day 'wets' is that Boris showed over Brexit that he takes no prisoners, even with his own side and it would not be surprising in the coming weeks and months if he starts to chop the legs from under those who he (and Dominic) perceive as disloyal.
Feck me they're now out changing actual laws meant to keep us all safe and kids safe from abuse on the fly to defend a buddy.
I've no knowledge of how non-UK governments conduct their business so, if there's something glaringly wrong with that reader's comment, please tell me.
I've no knowledge of how non-UK governments conduct their business so, if there's something glaringly wrong with that reader's comment, please tell me.
Well the Chinese government part I have no clue about but my instinct is it sounds more like a nice story to tell to fit with their subsequent claim rather than it actually having been a systematic aspect of Chinese propaganda as they imply - happy to be corrected on this though if that indeed was the case.
As for the latter part about it all being a calculated power grab by Cummings after which dissenting historians will be shot...as I said, are we supposed to take that seriously?
Christ, I must've missed that part.
Probably not...but it is accepted usually, that its the winners who write the history, is it not!
Dominic Cummings set to leave post in 21 days
Sporting Index traders reveal under fire Chief Adviser will eventually step down after lockdown scandal
Sporting Index traders reveal under fire Chief Adviser will eventually step down after lockdown scandal
Wednesday 27th May 2020 – Under fire Chief Adviser Dominic Cummings will resign in three weeks, according to betting firm Sporting Index.
The political strategist continues to face calls from MPs and the British public to step down from his role after reportedly breaking lockdown rules, and the political experts at Sporting Index predict he will be gone in 21 days.
Senior cabinet ministers and Prime Minister Boris Johnson have defended his actions in a bid to keep him in his position, but the political experts think Cummings will be gone in the middle of June.
The traders at Sporting Index have also analysed the situation and expect four ministers to resign as part of the ongoing Cummings saga.
Phill Fairclough, trading spokesperson at Sporting Index, said: “It’s not been a good week for Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson, and it doesn’t look like it’ll get any easier for the Chief Adviser as calls for his resignation continue to mount.
“There’s only so much defending that can be done, and we think that things will eventually come to an end with Cummings stepping down from his post in the next three weeks, but not before four ministerial resignations come first.”
Sporting Index - politics
| Days until Dominic Cummings resigns | 21 |
| Number of Ministers to resign due to Cummings saga | 4 |
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Why have they chosen such a relatively distant date?