Westminster Politics

sullydnl said:
I would imagine the reasoning is that it's best to keep it as Tories vs the people rather than make it Tories vs Labour. Whether they're right to take that approach or whether they'll continue with it indefinitely, who knows?
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No PMQ's this week ... wonder how much traction it will have in a week - not sure what other tools starmer has for keeping the pressure on?

Perhaps
https://assets.publishing.service.g...1612_Code_of_Conduct_for_Special_Advisers.pdf

Report Cummings to the Civil Service commission?
 
fergieisold said:
Cummings might be a twat but I don't think he's done all that much wrong really. He should be punished but he's hardly been partying and snorting coke of hookers up in the North East has he?
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I've seen a few people say this, really dont get how you can come to that conclusion.
Its entirely plausible that his he or his kid could have given Covid to his sister and when she went to do shopping for him, for her to pass it onto the community.
ie the precise situation that limiting how far people can travel is designed to prevent.
His actions were utterly selfish and put the wider community in danger.
So before you get into the various nonsense details or the other breaches he clearly did something wrong.

No one care what he did in the North East, him snorting coke off hookers or not is largely irrelevant. He shouldn't have been in the North East.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Ian Blackford, SNP
Sir Ed Davey, Liberal Democrats
Liz Saville Roberts, Plaid Cymru
Colum Eastwood, Social Democratic and Labour party
Caroline Lucas, Green party
Stephen Farry, Alliance party'

This lot are all largely irrelevant and will lobby/ complain and oppose the government in everything they do - boy who cries wolf.

the fact that labour haven’t done this make it a complete non story and smacks of jumping in the bandwagon.

Ian Blackford in particular is an odious windbag.
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Other than your comments about Blackford - which I'll just put down to "SNP boooooo" and something you'd say about whoever was the leader in the same way I would happily shart in my hand and throw it at whoever was in charge of the Tories - I think you're right. What is the point of this letter? It's not even a sidenote in the story. I guess it's a quick chance to get their party names out there but without Labour cosigning it won't make a damn bit of difference. The polls suggesting that the people want Cummings fired, and moreso after that crap press conference, hold infinitely more weight than a "strongly worded letter".
 
The thing I don't get is that for someone who lies all the time, Cummings doesn't seem to know how a lie works. He had three days and managed to come up with a lie that was somehow not only completely unbelievable, but also worse and more irresponsible than any actual true reason why he might have visited a castle.

Examples of lies that would have been better and no less believable than "I wanted to check I could see properly"
- I like castles
- It was my wife's birthday
- I forgot I didn't live at the castle
- It's my first day
- Jeremy Corbyn did it
- What castle?

Then not only that but he throws some bonus lie in about predicting corona virus in his blog, which is basically akin to trying to claim you knew what the winning lottery numbers three weeks ago would be, but then played and somehow selected the wrong numbers anyway.
 
noodlehair said:
Examples of lies that would have been better and no less believable than "I wanted to check I could see properly"
- I like castles
- It was my wife's birthday
- I forgot I didn't live at the castle
- It's my first day
- Jeremy Corbyn did it
- What castle?
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:lol: :lol:
 
caid said:
I've seen a few people say this, really dont get how you can come to that conclusion.
Its entirely plausible that his he or his kid could have given Covid to his sister and when she went to do shopping for him, for her to pass it onto the community.
ie the precise situation that limiting how far people can travel is designed to prevent.
His actions were utterly selfish and put the wider community in danger.
So before you get into the various nonsense details or the other breaches he clearly did something wrong.

No one care what he did in the North East, him snorting coke off hookers or not is largely irrelevant. He shouldn't have been in the North East.
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Precisely. He is arguably a very key part of policy making and policy that he feels he doesn't have to follow. Some people are struggling to get their heads around it and bring in these pointless whataboutery arguments for him, but failing to grasp the simple double standards and hypocrisy coming from Cummings.

In reality, i see no difference between this guy's reasoning and Cumming's, both are as loose as possible. Two very different punishments. Also, a different outcome to an advisor similarly 'flouting' the rules of the policy from government.
 
noodlehair said:
The thing I don't get is that for someone who lies all the time, Cummings doesn't seem to know how a lie works. He had three days and managed to come up with a lie that was somehow not only completely unbelievable, but also worse and more irresponsible than any actual true reason why he might have visited a castle.

Examples of lies that would have been better and no less believable than "I wanted to check I could see properly"
- I like castles
- It was my wife's birthday
- I forgot I didn't live at the castle
- It's my first day
- Jeremy Corbyn did it
- What castle?

Then not only that but he throws some bonus lie in about predicting corona virus in his blog, which is basically akin to trying to claim you knew what the winning lottery numbers three weeks ago would be, but then played and somehow selected the wrong numbers anyway.
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I think the lie is deliberately ridiculous. From that part of the conference, the main talking point has been the ludicrousness of the lie, rather than the fact he’s admitted a second trip against the rules did indeed occur. It’s so baffling there is no way he and the people around him sat down and concluded that was the most legitimate excuse they could come up with, no matter how dumb or arrogant they are.
 
Drawfull said:
Few comments elsewhere that The Spectator have pay-walled his wife's article. They have and they haven't (because they're incompetent).

If you'd like to read it, click its link and add /amp to the URL

Click Here if you prefer.

It's pretty galling, but they can't really edit it as so many will have already seen it, but they can hide it away... or so they thought.
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That seems to imply that they stayed at home and self-isolated. Looks dodgy to me.
 
BobbyManc said:
I think the lie is deliberately ridiculous. From that part of the conference, the main talking point has been the ludicrousness of the lie, rather than the fact he’s admitted a second trip against the rules did indeed occur. It’s so baffling there is no way he and the people around him sat down and concluded that was the most legitimate excuse they could come up with, no matter how dumb or arrogant they are.
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Exactly. A man is shown on video robbing a bank, he makes a statement saying that he did indeed rob a bank and that he did it using a catapult since it is the superior siege weapon. People start arguing over what the superior siege weapon is. Hopefully, after enough time has passed, people forget why the argument over catapults started and then one of the man's friends puts his knob up a horse and everyone's attentions turn towards that story.
 
Grinner said:
That seems to imply that they stayed at home and self-isolated. Looks dodgy to me.
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Seems clear as day they were at home during the events in the article to me. When are they supposed to have travelled to his parents'?
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Exactly. A man is shown on video robbing a bank, he makes a statement saying that he did indeed rob a bank and that he did it using a catapult since it is the superior siege weapon. People start arguing over what the superior siege weapon is. Hopefully, after enough time has passed, people forget why the argument over catapults started and then one of the man's friends puts his knob up a horse and everyone's attentions turn towards that story.
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That was my favourite episode of The Bill. Man I wish they’d bring that show back!
 


Still doesn't absolve him of the trip to Barnard Castle trip though does it?
 
TheGame said:
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Then they will all go home again, grim and determining but still hopelessly outnumbered.
Have the numbskulls not realized yet the only way they can bring down Cummings and Boris is from the inside, Tory rebels hold the key if there is enough of them. Strangely Boris sacked thirty Tory rebels over Brexit, when he had no majority, will he now risk a night of the long knives, now he has a stonking majority?
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Ian Blackford, SNP
Sir Ed Davey, Liberal Democrats
Liz Saville Roberts, Plaid Cymru
Colum Eastwood, Social Democratic and Labour party
Caroline Lucas, Green party
Stephen Farry, Alliance party'

This lot are all largely irrelevant and will lobby/ complain and oppose the government in everything they do - boy who cries wolf.

the fact that labour haven’t done this make it a complete non story and smacks of jumping in the bandwagon.

Ian Blackford in particular is an odious windbag.
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350,000 people are dead

The Western economies are trashed for decades to come

We're all or have been subjected to restrictions on our civil and professional liberties which have previously been unheard of outside world wars.

A man in the UK makes a 500 mile journey to his parents and the MSM and Joe Public go off-the-scale-apeshit.

It's a genuine pity that they and the nobodies on your list can't generate the same degree of anger towards Communist China for creating our current situation.
 
Compton22 said:
Yeah I know it's a national crisis but in a way, Labour must be loving watching the Conservatives imploding.
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The thing is, they have been imploding since 2016 and still keep winning. I doubt the rights or wrongs of this country break of Dominic Cummings (who was probably unknown to a lot of the electorate before this scandal) will be a factor in the 2024 election.
 
Full bodied red said:
It's a genuine pity that they and the nobodies on your list can't generate the same degree of anger towards Communist China for creating our current situation.
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Maybe people think it makes a lot more sense to hold the people accountable who actually run the country and keep fecking up that job, rather than raging at a foreign country over their mistakes? Being angry at China will achieve roughly feck all.
 
BobbyManc said:
I think the lie is deliberately ridiculous. From that part of the conference, the main talking point has been the ludicrousness of the lie, rather than the fact he’s admitted a second trip against the rules did indeed occur. It’s so baffling there is no way he and the people around him sat down and concluded that was the most legitimate excuse they could come up with, no matter how dumb or arrogant they are.
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I kind of wish I could believe that, but we're talking about someone in the public eye, who thought they could make a 260 mile trip in lockdown and pretend they didn't, and that no one would notice, and concluded that this wasn't a terrible idea.

I mean, no one could care less what I get up to but if I fecked off to Durham for a couple of weeks, people would probably notice.

There's just no way to spin it that doesn't lead back to the conclusion that Dominic Cummings is a bit of an idiot.
 
Full bodied red said:
350,000 people are dead

The Western economies are trashed for decades to come

We're all or have been subjected to restrictions on our civil and professional liberties which have previously been unheard of outside world wars.

A man in the UK makes a 500 mile journey to his parents and the MSM and Joe Public go off-the-scale-apeshit.

It's a genuine pity that they and the nobodies on your list can't generate the same degree of anger towards Communist China for creating our current situation.
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It's not a one or the other type situation. You know that right?
 
Maticmaker said:
Then they will all go home again, grim and determining but still hopelessly outnumbered.
Have the numbskulls not realized yet the only way they can bring down Cummings and Boris is from the inside, Tory rebels hold the key if there is enough of them. Strangely Boris sacked thirty Tory rebels over Brexit, when he had no majority, will he now risk a night of the long knives, now he has a stonking majority?
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But in todays letter the labour leader didn't sign right? He's smart.
 
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