I suppose the people in my chamber don’t really care. That’s not to say, he was right, just that there are bigger fish to fry.
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I suppose the people in my chamber don’t really care. That’s not to say, he was right, just that there are bigger fish to fry.
Even the Daily Mail front page headline though. How big is this echo chamber that you imagine?
I agree, perhaps MPs are far more disposable, and homogeneous that an advisor, who in theory is an expert in his field. I’m not defending him, but can understand why he’s more important than a minister who you can substitute and no one would notice.
*sigh* Maybe Durham FC has a forum I can go to...
I’m not convinced a large % of people really care. Most of the public won’t even have a clue who Dominic Cummings is. Have a look around, the population aren’t in lockdown anymore, and haven’t been for weeks.
YouGov had the majority saying he should resign. It's got enough traction that it's enraged a fair share of usual Tory voters. To claim this is an echo chamber stuff is absurd.
I do agree it'll soon be forgotten though. Cummings needs to stay around for a bit of political protection whilst Vote Leave are investigated and at the same time he'll implicate far too many Tories to be abandoned to the wolves.
Sharing Hopkins tweets is feeding her existence
It's been obvious for years that she'll tweet anything for attention, as she needs the money.
Honestly, whilst I agree with you the trend has been going in that direction, yesterday completely blew the lid off of it in my experience doing bike couriering. Not only were more people out, but social distancing had gone too.
That might be unrelated, but I suspect Cummings put the nail in the coffin of it. I don't mean to sound melodramatic, but I do suspect the events of the last few days will have gotten people killed
She fecked a random bloke in a field. Let's never forget that whenever she tries to act like she's a higher class of person compared to the people she tries to talk down to.
Took him a month, but still....
The new Pro Cummings angle on Twitter is that his kid is autistic so people should stop trying to play politics. Which is a dodgy argument for a couple of reasons;
1) the kid is four so that must be one hell of a diagnosis team that managed to discover that with the utmost certainty
2) Cummings is a twat
1) the kid is four so that must be one hell of a diagnosis team that managed to discover that with the utmost certainty
2) Cummings is a twat
I thought twitter had banned her?
Only valid if Cummings himself states that the kid is autistic, and that only his sister knows how to care for him. But that again would be bollocks because he lives in central London and works for the PM, plenty of qualified carers would have been available within a 10 min drive.
He is really scrambling now to somehow conjure up a set of circumstances that somehow justify his decisions. Not sure if any such circumstances exist, that will stand unto the scrutiny this story will now face in coming days.
Dunno, don't pay any attention to her. The odd time she shows up I try to advise people who share her not to, so she doesn't show up ever again.
fecking hell, at least the rest are being subtle trying to divert the narrative away from something that they can't argue against.
As with LK's 'hard-hitting' article earlier, there's an air of exasperation and regret that 'poor old Boris refuses to help himself.'Peston said:
That Telegraph writer's giving us the high hat, mate.
Fair enough. my chamber's pretty small but most think he should walk.
No one needed this Cummings incident to know that either he or Boris aren't particularly smart, or suitable for office. We all knew it before now. Maybe some people didn't know who Cummings was but they certainly knew Boris was both an idiot and a liar, and they voted him into government.
People have voted for liars before but until the brexit election they had never willingly voted for someone who was so obviously not fit for office, and that marked a very big change for this country.
It told our elected government that people didn't care about holding anything they do or say to account, or how good they were at actually being a government. It's taken 60,000 people dying and an incident like this for people to suddenly and inevitably change their mind, but it's too late at this point to expect it just to change back. There is no way on earth that Boris or Cummings relinquish any power willingly, because doing or saying anyhting they can to grab and cling to power is the only purpose either of them had in the first place. Literally nothing that happens will change that. They don't know how to do anything else
Cummings and co have no idea how to run a government. They are experts at lying and ignorance and that's it. The inevitable outcome when they were elected was a hostile government that is held in contempt by more and more as it fails to do it's basic duties. You can lie about what other people are doing quite easily, but it's quite hard to constantly lie about what you are doing when you don't have a clue what you are actually doing. It'd take a very smart person to do that, and we're dealing with someone who thought it was a good idea to drive 260 miles during a lockdown despite knowing he was in the public eye. Smart people don't do things that thick people would do.
Maybe, but this is a little different. Boris now wont command any respect from anyone, whether it's government officials, unions or members of the public. People might not care but they're certainly not going to listen to him...which at a time when the government needs help from pretty much every collection of unions, business, public services etc. around, is quite a serious problem. None of them are going to forget about this because it's of direct concern to them at the moment whether they can trust what the government tell them or not, and this makes it possible for anyone to think they can.
People have voted for liars before but until the brexit election they had never willingly voted for someone who was so obviously not fit for office, and that marked a very big change for this country.
It told our elected government that people didn't care about holding anything they do or say to account, or how good they were at actually being a government. It's taken 60,000 people dying and an incident like this for people to suddenly and inevitably change their mind, but it's too late at this point to expect it just to change back. There is no way on earth that Boris or Cummings relinquish any power willingly, because doing or saying anyhting they can to grab and cling to power is the only purpose either of them had in the first place. Literally nothing that happens will change that. They don't know how to do anything else
Cummings and co have no idea how to run a government. They are experts at lying and ignorance and that's it. The inevitable outcome when they were elected was a hostile government that is held in contempt by more and more as it fails to do it's basic duties. You can lie about what other people are doing quite easily, but it's quite hard to constantly lie about what you are doing when you don't have a clue what you are actually doing. It'd take a very smart person to do that, and we're dealing with someone who thought it was a good idea to drive 260 miles during a lockdown despite knowing he was in the public eye. Smart people don't do things that thick people would do.
Maybe, but this is a little different. Boris now wont command any respect from anyone, whether it's government officials, unions or members of the public. People might not care but they're certainly not going to listen to him...which at a time when the government needs help from pretty much every collection of unions, business, public services etc. around, is quite a serious problem. None of them are going to forget about this because it's of direct concern to them at the moment whether they can trust what the government tell them or not, and this makes it possible for anyone to think they can.
The way all of the Cummings minions are running around like crazy, I'd be surprised if they had to coordination to hit a high hat. Maybe a triangle or single bongo.
I can't think of a drum pun, so I'll just type any old shit as usual.
Was just on Daily Mail Website: they have gone all in and with such gusto.
They have 5 or 6 different reports on this Cummings story, all slamming BJ and/or Cummings from every conceivable angle.
They must think these reports represent the views of their readership.
They have 5 or 6 different reports on this Cummings story, all slamming BJ and/or Cummings from every conceivable angle.
They must think these reports represent the views of their readership.
TBF, yours was a very good one.
post of the yearSo, are we all guessing our Cummings out date? Thursday after a couple of failed attempts to change the narrative focus from "being a good father" to "look over there, a wasp!"
The schools thing is really difficult now. I actually think it's the correct thing to do based on the current situation, given the hardship on a lot of parents and desperate situation they are in. It just needs to be done very carefully and flexibly. I'm not sure how you can make it mandatory for any parent to send their kid to school at this point given the wide range of circumstances different people are in. Same with teachers. You have to let people go by their individual circumstance.
Good luck doing anything when you have no integrity and can't command any respect or trust from anyone though. As soon as something goes wrong, which it's likely to somewhere, it's going to be hostile beyond belief.
That would be perfect. A fine is proof of guilt. The fact that two officials have been forced to resign due to breaking of lockdown regulations means there is now a precedent that has been set and should be adhered to. If this second supposed breach of lockdown gets charged by the police then Boris can’t defend him. Furthermore it will bring into question whether Boris kneW if his senior advisor was breaking lockdown.
Yeah but they can't make it the Wild West for governance. Teachers are either told to go in or the school doesn't open. The teachers have already made it clear that they're not interested in going back in so unless the order comes directly from the Local Authorities, which it won't, it has to come from Boris. Which it won't. He's more than happy to just let shit hit the fan because he doesn't get to take the blame for any feck ups and he probably hopes that people get distracted with trying to stop their own lives from becoming shit so that they don't have time to care about Cummings
Time will tell.
How long people will care for is up for dispute. But this will annoy alot of people who have had to endure a lockdown. Lockdown is a unique and unifying issue, this is national. Every single person experienced the lockdown. It is very different to when a policy or scans impacts a small section of society.
Those two officials were expendable. Johnson will just ride it out. In the 1,000-1 chance Cummings gets fined, then he's been punished, we move on. People are confusing twitter and the wider electorate.
This pro Cummings puff piece in the Express underlines how bad that paper is.
Durham residents outline key reason why Dominic Cummings was RIGHT to flout lockdown
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...m-lockdown-rules-Boris-Johnson-Downing-Street
Durham residents outline key reason why Dominic Cummings was RIGHT to flout lockdown
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...m-lockdown-rules-Boris-Johnson-Downing-Street
It wouldn't matter if he did order it at this point. There is very little reason for anyone to listen. I suspect that has more to do with why he wont come out and out order it or give clear guidance as well, because it would just expose how little trust people have in him and his government.
I'd also suspect that was the reason for our wishy washy lockdown but sort of not a lockdown approach in the first place. It doesn't really work as a blame avoiding tactic as people will always blame weak leadership when things go wrong...but it'd be far more damaging to tell people clearly and strictly what to do and loads of them just decide not to listen because they already think you're an idiot.
The level of respect for this government going into all this was low enough that the likely outcome of trying to impose any strict measures would have been open hostility. I'm convinced all this has cost a lot of lives already.
People also missing the point that integrity has never at any point meant anything to either Boris or Cummings. They could have the entire population of Britain protesting outside no10. They wont care.
Literally Cummings only concern is staying in power. It's like asking a car thief to drive your car back to you because you've noticed it's gone.